Navigating Major Programmes

Riccardo Cosentino, Shormila Chatterjee, and Evgenia Jilina

Navigating Major Programmes is for those working in or around major infrastructure, and want sharper conversations about why major programmes succeed, stall, or struggle. This podcast is the elevated conversation surrounding infrastructure and major programme management. Hosted by Riccardo Cosentino, Shormila Chatterjee, and Evgenia Jilina, the show brings industry leaders and practitioners into candid discussions about the decisions that shape large-scale infrastructure. The conversations surround programme design, governance, procurement, financing, delivery, risk, stakeholder engagement, AI, digital transformation, leadership, inclusion, and public value. Continue the conversation with our community on LinkedIn: https://ca.linkedin.com/company/navigating-major-programmes

  1. -1 j

    The Role of the Unsponsored Perspective in the Future of Canadian Infrastructure

    How do you measure the impact of one small, industry-focused podcast? In this co-hosts-only episode, Riccardo and Evgenia step back from the usual format to consider what it means to be showrunners, why the conversations they’re leading matter, and how Navigating Major Programmes has evolved as a platform for public discussion in the infrastructure industry. Evgenia reflects on her journey from listener, to guest, to co-host and the anxieties and adjustments that come with sharing ideas publicly, engaging with knowledgeable guests, and gaining confidence in the perspectives she has developed over 15 years in the industry. The conversation explores the role of independent, not-for-profit platforms in a sector where large-scale sponsored events can limit the range of viewpoints being shared. Riccardo and Evgenia discuss whether the podcast has a large enough platform to make a difference and the impact of guest selection and frequency on audience growth. They also reflect on the challenge of scaling the podcast without compromising its independence. The hosts also make time to tackle the broader development of major project leadership in Canada. Riccardo shares the original impetus behind the podcast, which has since evolved into the Canadian Major Projects Leadership Academy at the University of Toronto. The industry experts acknowledge and break down the gap between technical infrastructure expertise and the demands of leading major and mega projects, where so-called “soft” skills become increasingly critical. Riccardo and Evgenia’s final consensus won’t surprise loyal listeners: Navigating Major Programmes is a forum for practical ideas, meaningful connections, and ongoing conversations that help shape the future of infrastructure delivery. Key Takeaways How hosting a podcast builds confidence in and validation for industry perspectives;The opportunity for independent platforms to create space for more diverse, real-world conversations about infrastructure;The potential of the new Canadian Infrastructure Leadership Academy to fill a sector-wide leadership and business operations gap;How organizations like the Future of Infrastructure Group (FIG) help turn conversations into action;The reasons behind the unique skill set required for major project management.Quote “FIG really turbocharged the amount of ground that can be covered by the initiative.” - Riccardo CosentinoThe conversation doesn’t stop here—connect and converse with our community via LinkedIn: Follow Navigating Major Programmes: https://www.linkedin.com/company/navigating-major-programmes/ Follow Riccardo Cosentino: https://www.linkedin.com/in/cosentinoriccardo/Read Riccardo’s latest at www.riccardocosentino.com  Follow Evgenia Jilina: https://www.linkedin.com/in/ejilina/ Learn more about the Future of Infrastructure Group: https://infrastructurelab.com/future-of-infrastructure-group/ Follow the Future of Infrastructure Group: https://ca.linkedin.com/company/future-of-infrastructure-groupStay informed about the upcoming Canadian Infrastructure Leadership Academy at U of T: https://infrastructureinstitute.ca/leadership-academy/

  2. 31 août

    Building the Future of Dual-Use Technology for the Canadian Armed Forces with Dina Tzirakos-Hawker

    As Canada increasingly champions self-sufficiency, what does the future look like for dual-use technologies and the country’s defence manufacturing? Shormila and Evgenia go to the source to explore this timely question. Dina Tzirakos-Hawker is the Managing Director of Barrie’s Sandbox Centre, Ontario’s newest regional innovation centre. She is immersed in the country’s varied innovative pursuits and the policies and frameworks that both stymie and support it. Though new to the military industry, Dina has spent the last two years fervently learning from experts and devising her own innovative strategies for building bridges. Her goal: help companies with potential dual-use products understand what it actually takes to move from innovation to procurement in this complex, compliance-heavy sector. The conversation explores the difference between simply having technology with defence applications and building a company that is truly ready to operate in the space. Dina points to AI, quantum, advanced communications, and drone systems as having great potential, but also stresses the less glamorous realities that determine success: manufacturing capacity, testing sites, cybersecurity infrastructure, compliance, clearances, procurement knowledge, and long sales cycles. For founders, the opportunity is significant, but it requires strategy, sector knowledge, and a realistic understanding of the customer and process—knowledge often gatekept from burgeoning companies.  Through her conversations with all sides, Dina has identified a need for better coordination between government, industry, accelerators, municipalities, suppliers, and infrastructure partners. She explains the information-sharing concept behind a recent “Defence 101” event that filled a significant gap by offering more than 150 companies from around the world practical guidance on entering the sector. Dina sees this moment as both a massive opportunity and a major turning point for Canada, but dual-use innovation will not scale through technology alone. It will require collective support, practical infrastructure, patient capital, and a shared commitment to helping Canadian companies thrive in this self-sufficient future. Key Takeaways Why the “unsexy” side of defence tech—manufacturing, testing, compliance, cybersecurity, and infrastructure—matters so much;How Canada can create stronger on-ramps between innovation, procurement, and defence readiness;What roadblocks smaller suppliers may face when navigating long procurement cycles and thin margins;Why Canada’s defence innovation push may require both public support and private investment;How a collaborative “village mentality” can help Canadian companies thrive in a growing defence ecosystem.Quote:  “I don’t think we have a choice but to make this succeed. When you invest in your own defence capabilities…we almost make a recession-proofed business.” - Dina Tzirakos-HawkerThe conversation doesn’t stop here—connect and converse with our community via LinkedIn: Follow Navigating Major Programmes: https://www.linkedin.com/company/navigating-major-programmes/ Read Riccardo’s latest at www.riccardocosentino.com  Follow Shormila Chatterjee: https://www.linkedin.com/in/shormilac/Follow Evgenia Jilina: https://www.linkedin.com/in/ejilina/  Follow Dina Tzirakos-Hawker: https://www.linkedin.com/in/dinatzirakos/

    Building the Future of Dual-Use Technology for the Canadian Armed Forces with Dina Tzirakos-Hawker
  3. 24 août

    From Scarcity to Precarity: What Canadians Want from Nation-Building Projects with Oksana Kishchuk

    What can market research reveal about Canadians’ true thoughts on infrastructure? When making decisions about lengthy construction projects, taking the public temperature is vital. But sometimes, it’s hard to know which questions to ask. In this episode, Shormila speaks with Oksana Kishchuk, VP of Insights at Abacus Data, about how market research can reveal the Canadian mindset—and what that means for major programmes, public policy, and infrastructure delivery.  After spending nearly a decade listening to Canadians across sectors, including resources, healthcare, education, and public affairs, Oksana is the ideal spokesperson for data collection: how it helps bridge the gab between decision-makers and voters by showing not only what people think, but why they think it. The conversation explores how the public’s priorities have shifted from the scarcity mindset of the pandemic to a present-day sense of precarity. Using Maslow’s Hierarchy of Needs as a lens, Oksana explains that most people are focused on financial security, rising costs, and instability in the wider world.  The research suggests Canadians agree, in general, about the problems, even though the impacts of those problems vary across generations. Now, they’re looking to their leaders for solutions that will stabilize our national foundation. This context impacts public views on everything from defence and pipelines to healthcare, energy, and long-term infrastructure projects, and it opens a unique opportunity for leaders in both government and infrastructure: prove you are listening to Canadians, and Canadians will place their trust in the stability solutions you present. Key Takeaways How market research helps leaders understand not just what Canadians think, but why they think it;What the voting public’s expectations of progress mean for governments and major project leaders;Why Canadians may be more open than usual to long-term, nation-building solutions;How public sentiment has changed around healthcare, defence, pipelines, and other major sectors;Why we need timely stakeholder communication, not just expert assumptions.Quote: “It’s a really great moment…the public is actually aligned in what I would say is a fairly rare opportunity to create nation-building, big projects.” - Oksana KishchukThe conversation doesn’t stop here—connect and converse with our community via LinkedIn: Follow Navigating Major Programmes: https://www.linkedin.com/company/navigating-major-programmes/ Follow Riccardo Cosentino: https://www.linkedin.com/in/cosentinoriccardo/ Read Riccardo’s latest at www.riccardocosentino.com  Follow Shormila Chatterjee: https://www.linkedin.com/in/shormilac/Follow Oksana Kishchuk: https://www.linkedin.com/in/oksanakishchuk/

    From Scarcity to Precarity: What Canadians Want from Nation-Building Projects with Oksana Kishchuk
  4. 17 août

    How Nuclear Financing Opened the Door to a Passionate Career Transition with Riccardo Cosentino

    How can an intentional career trajectory help you create your ideal job? In the thought leadership pieces he has published on LinkedIn for years, Riccardo Cosentino has been transparent about the hard work that has led to his success, as well as the burnout and failures along the way. This episode provides a peek behind the publishing curtain: Mikaila Kukurudza, who writes those well-read pieces based on conversations with Riccardo, takes her insightful interviewing process on the record. The probing behind-the-scenes conversation with Riccardo explores his recent transition into the role of SVP of Nuclear Financing at AtkinsRéalis. The two cover emerging opportunities—both cultivated and circumstantial—and shine a light on the way major programmes ties into the changing needs of this resurging industry. Riccardo reflects on why nuclear became the clear next step in his career and how the demands of financing these energy endeavours compare to transit projects. The conversation also goes beyond the technical to examine the personal questions underneath: how to learn at a senior level, how to create opportunities that did not previously exist in pursuit of purpose, and how to manage burnout. Riccardo is open about what this transition has taught him about motivation, leadership, failure, and returning to the kind of major programmes work that energizes him the most. Key Takeaways What makes financing nuclear projects different from financing other major infrastructure;Why nuclear power has re-entered the conversation around energy sovereignty and long-term infrastructure planning;Why creating your own opportunity can require curiosity, persistence, and a willingness to hit dead ends;How senior leaders continue learning when stepping into new industries or highly specialized roles;What the career roadmap can teach about leadership, empathy, and impact.Quote:  “All the things I’ve done since 2019…I was looking for a purpose." - Riccardo CosentinoThe conversation doesn’t stop here—connect and converse with our community via LinkedIn: Follow Navigating Major Programmes: https://www.linkedin.com/company/navigating-major-programmes/ Follow Riccardo Cosentino: https://www.linkedin.com/in/cosentinoriccardo/ Read Riccardo’s latest at www.riccardocosentino.com  Listen to Riccardo’s article on burnout: https://www.linkedin.com/pulse/grass-greener-riccardo-cosentino/ Follow Mikaila Kukurudza: https://www.linkedin.com/in/mikaila-kukurudza/

  5. 10 août

    Financing Nuclear: The Risk and Capital in Securing Canada’s Energy Future with Chris Keefer

    How do we finance nuclear power plants in Canada? In this episode, Riccardo applies his experience financing large infrastructure projects to a deep-dive discussion with Chris Keefer. The Toronto physician and the President of Canadians for Nuclear Energy has excellent questions about the renaissance of this energy source and the process of funding these vast, costly, and promising initiatives. Riccardo explains why nuclear has historically depended on sovereign balance sheets, public utilities, and government-backed financing—and why the long-tail construction risk of the sector makes private lenders wary. The conversation compares nuclear to other major infrastructure and energy assets, from hydroelectric projects and bridges to combined-cycle gas turbines. Along the way, Chris and Riccardo unpack key financing concepts and why construction certainty is such a major determinant of cost of capital. The discussion explores existing projects, such as Hinkley Point C, Sizewell C, the Thames Tideway Tunnel, and Ontario’s nuclear context to show how risk is assigned, priced, and sometimes pushed back onto governments or ratepayers. Ultimately, the episode highlights that there is no universally good or bad financing model. The right structure depends on policy objectives, owner capability, risk appetite, market conditions, and whether the project can attract private capital without driving up the long-term cost of electricity. For Ontario and other jurisdictions considering new nuclear, the central challenge is not simply whether to use public or private money, but how to bring the right capital into the project while keeping the cost of that capital low. Key takeaways Why public interest infrastructure often requires more than a simple public-versus-private financing debate The benefits of public-sector or sovereign-backed financing for nuclear projects;Why transferring risk to the private sector can make electricity more expensive;What select UK nuclear power plants reveal about different nuclear financing models;Why Ontario’s experienced nuclear owner position may shape how future projects are financed.Quote: “Project finance is asset-agnostic." -Riccardo CosentinoThe conversation doesn’t stop here—connect and converse with our community via LinkedIn: Follow Navigating Major Programmes: https://www.linkedin.com/company/navigating-major-programmes/Read Riccardo’s latest at www.riccardocosentino.comFollow Riccardo Cosentino: https://www.linkedin.com/in/cosentinoriccardo/Follow Chris Keefer: https://www.linkedin.com/in/chris-keefer-md-166a3698/

  6. 3 août

    What It Takes to Be a Systems Leader with Robert Siegel

    What does it take to excel as a systems leader in our rapidly changing modern landscape? Robert Siegel is the ideal guest to speak to this inquiry. The Stanford management professor, venture capitalist, and author of “The Systems Leader” joins Riccardo and Evgenia for a conversation about what our increasingly complex world requires of leaders and how these expectations tie in to major projects. Drawing on decades of experience across diverse fields, Robert explains why leaders today are requiring more varied skill sets than ever before to navigate the vast ecosystems they operate within.  Large infrastructure projects are an excellent example of complex adaptive systems, where leaders must manage technical delivery while staying alert to shifting stakeholders, market conditions, social expectations, and organizational pressures. From local and global dynamics to balancing ambition and stewardship, Robert outlines the cross-pressures facing individuals pursuing leadership in infrastructure and beyond.  Charging managers with continuous learning and the development of diverse traits, from gravitas to getting their hands dirty, Robert speaks to the leadership mindset and what may be a hard truth to swallow: accepting change and questioning how things have “always been done” are not nice-to-haves when it comes to leadership. Ultimately, he makes the case that leaders are defined by their ability to see the system, stay grounded under pressure, and remain adaptable within an ever-evolving future. Key takeaways: Why great leaders need breadth as well as depth—and what happens when specialists stay in their silos;The traits great leaders do and don’t possess;The five cross-pressures today’s leaders must navigate;Why systems leadership requires the courage to challenge the status quo;How and why leaders need to adjust their approach for younger generations and emerging technologies.Quote: “Whatever function you’re in or how senior you are, you’ll be able to be better at your job if you understand the issues of the broader system.” - Robert SiegelThe conversation doesn’t stop here—connect and converse with our community via LinkedIn: Follow Navigating Major Programmes: https://www.linkedin.com/company/navigating-major-programmes/Read Riccardo’s latest at www.riccardocosentino.comFollow Riccardo Cosentino: https://www.linkedin.com/in/cosentinoriccardo/Follow Evgenia Jilina: https://www.linkedin.com/in/ejilina/  Follow Robert Siegel: https://www.linkedin.com/in/robertesiegel/

  7. 27 juil.

    Beyond the AI Hype: What Infrastructure Needs for Transformation

    Where does the infrastructure industry currently sit in the adoption of AI-driven technologies? In this episode of Uncharted Conversations, Shormila flips the tables on Riccardo to pick his brain about one of the most discussed—and most misunderstood—topics in the future of work today: artificial intelligence. A long-time watcher and learner on this innovative subject, Riccardo has followed the progress of AI for decades. Drawing on his well-rounded knowledge, Shormila guides an exploration of his perspectives on what AI actually means in practice for infrastructure and why the current hype often skips over the harder questions of value, cost, data, and implementation. As frustrating as they may be for those in the industry embracing AI, there are good reasons why infrastructure has been slower to adopt these technologies than other sectors. Riccardo points to a fragmented project-based environment, tight contractor margins, and limited reinvestment in digitalization. Most importantly, the industry suffers from a widespread lack of structured data, which AI systems need to be effective and efficient.  Rather than treating AI as either a job-killing threat or a guaranteed revolution, Riccardo upholds it as a tool—one with significant potential, but only when embedded thoughtfully into real processes. He talks through an intriguing AutoCAD parallel, uncertain economics, the limits of digital twins, and where infrastructure may see more practical value, such as scheduling and project analysis. AI may transform infrastructure one day, but only if the industry as a whole takes on the difficult work of digitalizing, structuring data, and integrating the ever-evolving roster of tools into industry-wide workflows. Key takeaways: The primary reasons the infrastructure industry is behind in AI adoption;How the AI of the early 2000s became the AI we know today;AutoCAD and AI: tools that change work, not overwrite it;Why AI value depends on truly structured data, not just more project information;Where AI holds the most promise for the future of infrastructure management and project delivery.Quote:  “Robotics is what the construction industry needs…and robotics is just not there.” - Riccardo CosentinoThe conversation doesn’t stop here—connect and converse with our community via LinkedIn: Follow Navigating Major Programmes: https://www.linkedin.com/company/navigating-major-programmes/Read Riccardo’s latest at www.riccardocosentino.comFollow Riccardo Cosentino: https://www.linkedin.com/in/cosentinoriccardo/Follow Shormila Chatterjee: https://www.linkedin.com/in/shormilac/

    Beyond the AI Hype: What Infrastructure Needs for Transformation
  8. 20 juil.

    How Team Coaching Changes Major Project Outcomes with Christi Mertens

    What is team coaching, and is it more than just an expensive, touchy-feely extra on major projects? How we behave and perform under pressure is one of the less visible parts of any infrastructure undertaking, but the fact remains: people and leaders are behind every aspect of every project. In this episode, Riccardo and Evgenia are joined by Christi Mertens, the founder of Invisible Discipline. Their probing conversation on human behaviour and how it impacts outcomes addresses the skepticism that so often surfaces when coaching is suggested. Major programmes bring together strangers from multiple organizations and expect timely success under the pressure of huge deliverables and billions of dollars, all despite different corporate cultures, incentives, habits, and assumptions. Drawing on her background in behavioural science, strategic planning, and organization team coaching, Christi’s work today focuses on project teams across the full lifecycle. From development and procurement through handover and asset management, she helps them understand and act on how the people around them actually communicate, collaborate, and follow through. Christi explains why motivation is not enough, and how team coaching helps build awareness at three levels: the individual, the team, and the broader operating system they are working within. The discussion doesn’t shy away from the industry’s ingrained resistance. It tackles why owners and project leaders often question the value of coaching, why vulnerability can be difficult for senior specialists, and why collaborative aims need discipline, habits, and tools to be realized. Before she’s done, Christi offers up practical advice for directors forming project bid teams for the first time. This episode highlights what is really behind projects that finish on time, on budget, and without a stack of hostile claims on file. Lasting success depends on reflection, feedback, alignment, and an intentional culture that helps people solve shared problems together. Key takeaways How team coaching works across the “me,” the “we,” and the broader project operating system;Why motivation is not enough without discipline, habits, and tools for changing behaviour;The difference between coaching short-term project and long-term organizational teams;Whether or not a true collaborative contract is required for successful collaboration;The risk and reality of trying to be part of a high-performance team.Quote: “Motivation doesn’t get you very far…Without discipline and habits and tools for changing behaviour, it’s really had to see follow-through.” -Christi MertensThe conversation doesn’t stop here—connect and converse with our community via LinkedIn: Riccardo’s spreadsheet “AI Startups in Engineering & Construction”: https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1TCvfRqqd1NzxgMhVoTMbKeL9bOp_1-mn/edit?usp=sharing&ouid=100654060211988607651&rtpof=true&sd=trueRiccardo’s LinkedIn Article “AI Startups in AE&C (Architectural, Engineering and Construction)”: https://www.linkedin.com/pulse/ai-startups-aec-architectural-engineering-riccardo-cosentino-bvhrc/Follow Navigating Major Programmes: https://www.linkedin.com/company/navigating-major-programmes/Read Riccardo’s latest at www.riccardocosentino.comFollow Riccardo Cosentino: https://www.linkedin.com/in/cosentinoriccardo/Follow Evgenia Jilina: https://www.linkedin.com/in/ejilina/  Follow Christi Mertens: https://www.linkedin.com/in/christi-mertens/

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Navigating Major Programmes is for those working in or around major infrastructure, and want sharper conversations about why major programmes succeed, stall, or struggle. This podcast is the elevated conversation surrounding infrastructure and major programme management. Hosted by Riccardo Cosentino, Shormila Chatterjee, and Evgenia Jilina, the show brings industry leaders and practitioners into candid discussions about the decisions that shape large-scale infrastructure. The conversations surround programme design, governance, procurement, financing, delivery, risk, stakeholder engagement, AI, digital transformation, leadership, inclusion, and public value. Continue the conversation with our community on LinkedIn: https://ca.linkedin.com/company/navigating-major-programmes

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