Never Too Early For Murder

Serena Cukjati

A true crime podcast.

  1. 04/24/2023

    23. The Murder of Criminal Defense Attorney Leslie Vaughn

    Brian’s re-telling of events began to show holes and inconsistencies. Brian had originally told the Floyds that he had already called the police and needed to go back to the house to wait for them. The Floyds made note of the time the boys arrived on their doorstep to be exactly 1:24am on November 11th, 1998. However Brian’s call to police didn’t come in until exactly 1:41am. Leaving almost 17 minutes of time unaccounted for. During Brian’s re-telling of events to police, he tells them he heard a gun shot but couldn’t get into his parents room due to the locked door. But in his call to the police, he tells 911 that his father had been shot and was bleeding out of his mouth. When police asked Brian how he knew Leslie was bleeding from his mouth if he had been standing outside a locked door, Brian couldn’t find a good answer. Brian was also reported to be extremely calm and collected during this time. Because of all of these things, Brian was ultimately arrested and charged with the murder of his father Leslie Vaughn. Brian’s defense team argued the hired hit case but the jury didn’t believe the plausibility of this after hearing the arguments of both sides. Ultimately, Brian was convicted of murder his father based off of the inconsistencies in his own story. Case Sources: ⁠https://forensicfilesnow.com/index.php/tag/brian-vaughn/⁠ ⁠https://law.justia.com/cases/texas/fourth-court-of-appeals/2001/13946.html⁠ ⁠https://podtail.com/en/podcast/killin-missin-hidden/brian-vaughn-from-hoop-dreams-to-a-jail- cell/⁠ ⁠https://www.google.com/maps/place/23221+Eagle+Gap,+San+Antonio,+TX+78255/ @29.658234,-98.67759,17z/data=!3m1!4b1!4m5!3m4! 1s0x865c6f91217a26ab:0x9e6ce505d357f578!8m2!3d29.658234!4d-98.6754013?hl=en⁠ ⁠https://www.findagrave.com/memorial/1276703/leslie-eugene-vaughn

    33 min
  2. 04/05/2023

    22. The Worst Mother In The World: Shelly Knotek Pt 2

    In February of 2004. Dave Knotek pled down his first degree murder charge of Shane Watson to second degree murder with unlawful disposal of human remains and received just under 15 years in prison. 10 months after her arrest, Shelly entered an Alford plea,  which is like accepting guilt but not admitting to it. On sentencing day and with not a single soul in attendance to support her, Shelly addressed the courts. “In this jail and in this courtroom and in this community, and everywhere else, I’m known as some kind of horrible monster. I’m not. I’ve made such horrible mistakes though. Kathy was my friend, she had value and she had purpose. She would have been there for me. I wasn’t there for her at lot. I was not there when Kathy died. Not there for her.” She went on tho point fingers in her speech at Nikki and Shane. None of it was ever her fault. The judge, unimpressed by Shelly and her speech, tacked on and extra 5 years to her 17 years sensed and she ultimate received 22 years in prison. Case Sources: The Book: If You Tell ⁠https://allthatsinteresting.com/shelly-knotek⁠ ⁠https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Michelle_Knotek⁠ ⁠https://www.chinookobserver.com/news/local/raymond-murderer-crazy-shellie-released-from-prison/article_539f6e46-61f3-11ed-99c6-433b5a338fd0.html⁠ ⁠https://www.grunge.com/985238/the-messed-up-truth-about-serial-killer-mom-shelly-knotek/⁠ ⁠https://arcaneus.com/shelly-knotek/⁠ ⁠https://nypost.com/2019/11/30/kids-of-murderer-michelle-shelly-knotek-warn-their-mom-could-kill-again/⁠ ⁠https://murderpedia.org/female.K/k/knotek-michelle.htm⁠ ⁠https://www.imdb.com/title/tt1657267/⁠ The Documentary: Wicked Attraction Episode “Home Sweet Home”

    40 min
  3. 04/03/2023

    22. The Worst Mother In The World: Shelly Knotek Pt. 1

    A favorite of Shelly Knotek’s punishments was forcing Shane and Nikki to undress and go outside. She would then demand they get on their hands and knees and crawl around in the mud while she ordered Dave to hose them down with water as she hurled insults at them. Shelly called this particular form of torture “wallowing” Shelly also began controlling when the kids were allowed to use the bathroom. Forcing them to hold it or to find a place to go discreetly outside as if you were caught going outside, it would surely lead to a punishment from Shelly. She also began withholding shower and bath privileges as well as locking the drive and pantry. The kids were allowed to shower once every two weeks and if they were “disobedient”, that shower would be skipped as well. Kathy Loreno was Shelly Knotek’s hair dresser and “best friend”. Kathy arrived to the Louderback house around Christmas time in 1988 when 34 year old Shelly was pregnant with her third baby. Kathy was down on her luck and Shelly had generously offered her a place to stay. Kathy would come and help out with the cooking and cleaning and caring for the new baby. Case Sources: The Book: If You Tell https://allthatsinteresting.com/shelly-knotek https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Michelle_Knotek https://www.chinookobserver.com/news/local/raymond-murderer-crazy-shellie-released-from-prison/article_539f6e46-61f3-11ed-99c6-433b5a338fd0.html https://www.grunge.com/985238/the-messed-up-truth-about-serial-killer-mom-shelly-knotek/ https://arcaneus.com/shelly-knotek/ https://nypost.com/2019/11/30/kids-of-murderer-michelle-shelly-knotek-warn-their-mom-could-kill-again/ https://murderpedia.org/female.K/k/knotek-michelle.htm https://www.imdb.com/title/tt1657267/ The Documentary: Wicked Attraction Episode “Home Sweet Home”

    46 min
  4. 03/27/2023

    21. Gerald and Alice Uden: The Two Senior Citizens Who Almost Got Away With Murder

    In November of 2013, Gerald Uden was convicted of murder, all the while maintaining that Alice had nothing to do with and no knowledge of the murders of his wife and her sons. He received a sentence of life in prison at the age of 72. In August of 2014, Alice Uden stood trial for the murder of her third husband, Ronald Holtz. At age 76, she ultimately received a life sentence for her crimes. Sadly, Claire Martin died in on April 4th 2013 at the age of 92, just shy of finding out what really happened to her daughter Virginia, and grandsons Richard and Reagan, all those years ago. Alice Uden passed away in prison at the age of 80 in 2019 on June 12th. Shockingly, her death brought on a surprising twist. In a letter sent to Ron and dated the day after Alice’s death, Gerald retracted his earlier confession, stating that he had confessed to killing Virginia, Reagan and Richard to protect Alice but that he hadn’t in fact been the one to kill them at all. Gerald Holtz is still in prison today working to appeal his case and be set free. He wold be 80 or 81 years old today. https://www.aetv.com/real-crime/gerald-alice-uden-murders https://ccheadliner.com/free/convicted-murderer-caught-in-chadwick-dies-in-wyoming-prison/article_8c7dc4cc-8e0e-11e9-b4cb-bf9e474dce00.html https://www.torringtontelegram.com/article/convicted-triple-murderer-asks-to-withdraw-confession https://www.cbsnews.com/news/missouri-couple-accused-in-wyoming-of-killing-ex-spouses-2-kids-over-30-years-ago/ https://trib.com/news/local/crime-and-courts/a-convicted-murderer-now-blames-his-dead-wife-for-the-killings-her-daughter-says-hes/article_2e0e5319-f227-5475-8164-6e0326987521.html https://www.cbsnews.com/news/missouri-couple-accused-in-wyoming-of-killing-ex-spouses-2-kids-over-30-years-ago/ https://billingsgazette.com/news/state-and-regional/wyoming/man-tells-mother-he-hates-her-during-wyoming-murder-trial/article_880254f7-18ee-5894-897d-78e44363c4df.html https://www.gillettenewsrecord.com/news/wyoming/article_ad37f267-7c01-55db-bbec-bd9b9c3938ce.html https://thelanderjournal.com/story.php?id=14733&headline=uden-expresses-mixed-feelings-about-murder-of-ex-wife-two-sons https://ronfranscell.com/2019/06/18/geraldletter/ https://murderpedia.org/female.U/u/uden-alice.htm https://www.wyomingnews.com/news/local_news/wyoming-inmate-alice-uden-convicted-of-killing-husband-in-2014-dies-wednesday/article_e2835bc8-93a9-53aa-8f3a-359b34671691.html https://cowboystatedaily.com/2020/08/25/wyoming-supreme-court-rejects-convicted-killers-appeal/

    49 min
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