Never Too Early

Lauren Ipsen

Welcome to Never Too Early, a YouTube series focused on unconventional talent insights for founders. I’m Lauren Ipsen, Talent Partner at Decibel. At Decibel, we invest in founders at the earliest stage and help them scale by connecting them with rising stars and industry experts who have scaled seed stage companies all the way to a successful exit. In each episode we will answer the top 5 commonly asked questions by founders who are building their organizations for the very first time. It is never too early to learn from the best! nevertooearly.substack.com

  1. FEB 25

    Product Marketing 101, Defining Ownership, and Finding Your ICP with Adam Hall

    Lauren Ipsen, talent partner at Decibel, hosts an episode of Never Too Early featuring Adam Hall, who runs strategic marketing at SentinelOne and previously worked at Microsoft, Google, Headspace, and Aurora. They discuss what product marketing should own, emphasizing the role as a cross-functional discipline spanning product, marketing, and sales, and noting that the first PMM is typically a generalist. Adam explains that PMM success ultimately ties to pipeline and revenue, and clarifies how PMM supports demand generation by translating product value into messaging, content, and assets that fuel the demand gen engine. They cover when it may be too early to hire a PMM, how founders should transition from founder-led marketing to a scalable product marketing function, and why “healthy friction” between founders and PMMs can improve translation from technical founder speak to customer outcomes. Adam outlines an ICP process: start from the product thesis and uniqueness, understand customer urgency and willingness to pay, then narrow targeting by attributes like company size, vertical, and business model, with a focus on ruthless prioritization. They discuss domain expertise, arguing it’s often less critical than strong PMM fundamentals and curiosity, with exceptions in highly technical practitioner-led fields like cybersecurity. Finally, they address how PMM scope and reporting lines vary by stage and personalities, but Adam’s long-run view is that product marketing should sit in marketing as part of a “three-legged stool” with product and sales. Adam suggests founders be clear about whether they want a broad multi-discipline product marketing function or a narrow messaging-focused role, and notes he can be reached on LinkedIn. 00:00 Welcome Back to Never Too Early 00:32 Meet Adam Hall: Strategic Marketing & PMM Expertise 01:10 What Product Marketing Owns + How to Measure Success 05:09 PMM vs Demand Gen: Who Owns Pipeline and How They Work Together 08:37 When to Hire a PMM: Timing, Founder-Led Marketing & Healthy Friction 10:45 How to Define Your ICP: A Practical Framework for Targeting 14:14 Do You Need Domain Expertise in Your First PMM? 18:12 Stage & Org Design: Where Product Marketing Should Sit 21:45 Final Advice, Where to Find Adam, and Wrap-Up Want more of Never Too Early? Find us on Tiktok, @nevertooearly1 and subscribe to us wherever you get your podcasts.

    22 min
  2. 11/04/2025

    Mastering Video Content Creation and Distribution with the CEO of Descript, Laura Burkhauser

    In this episode, Lauren Ipsen hosts Laura Burkhauser, CEO of Descript, to discuss the intricacies of video content creation and distribution. Laura shares her journey from working at Twitter to discovering her passion for content creation, recently becoming the new CEO of Descript, a comprehensive video editing solution. They chat about the pressures of content creation in the digital age, the role of AI in video tools, and strategies for founders to maintain consistent and authentic content. Laura emphasizes the significance of understanding your audience, focusing on long-term engagement over going viral, and leveraging multiple distribution channels for maximum reach. The discussion also covers practical tips like using AI for content ideation and various workflow strategies for busy professionals. 00:00 Welcome and Introduction 01:21 Laura’s Journey to CEO of Descript 05:02 The Evolution of Media and Content Creation 07:41 Finding Your Authentic Content Lane 13:00 Effective Content Creation Strategies 15:56 The Importance of Authenticity in Content 20:12 The AI Content Creation Debate 21:48 Finding Your Creative Lane 23:05 Creating Authentic Content 24:30 The Importance of Consistency 28:57 Choosing the Right Distribution Channels 33:47 Final Thoughts and Advice Want more of Never Too Early? Find us on Tiktok, @nevertooearly1 and subscribe to us wherever you get your podcasts. Transcript Lauren Ipsen: What’s up, everyone? Welcome back to another episode of Never Too Early, a YouTube series focused on unconventional talent insights for founders. I’m Lauren Ipsen, Talent Partner at Decibel, and this is my Founder Therapy series. In this series, we will cover early learnings, misconceptions, mistakes, and a whole lot more with folks that have recently taken the lead to start their own venture-backed tech companies or take a step into the CEO seat for the first time. So, with that being said, I am beyond stoked to welcome my guest today, Laura Burkhauser. Laura was formerly running product at X and Rent the Runway before coming over to Descript, where she ultimately just took the step into a CEO seat for the very first time. Okay, Laura, welcome to the show. Laura Burkhauser: Thanks so much, Lauren. I’m excited to be here. Lauren Ipsen: I am really excited to have you. I can’t think of anyone better to discuss this topic in particular, so super excited to jump in. I personally love your content. And kind of fun that I’m gonna be editing all of this on the Descript. So there’s so much that goes hand in hand, and I’m excited to just chat with you about it. Laura Burkhauser: Yeah, absolutely. I am also excited to share this on LinkedIn and our other channels. Lauren Ipsen: Yeah, I know. I love it. Okay, cool. So, I guess, to get started, first and foremost, I would love to just kind of give the viewers an overview on who you are, where you came from, and then if you could just talk to us a little bit about the recent role that you just took on. Laura Burkhauser: Yeah, absolutely. Well, let’s see. I am the CEO of Descript, which is a video editing solution that makes every kind of video. So we do podcasts, we do—when, you know, you turn your podcast into clips. We do YouTube videos, educational videos. You can edit and publish webinars—all of the different videos that so many of us are feeling incredible pressure to create, whether we’re a marketing team or a founder. And we’ll talk about that. And I found Descript. I was a customer, actually, before I worked here. So my background is, I was at—I was—before this, I was at Twitter. And that was kind of my first exposure to, you know, seeing the different use cases that people have for social media and, really, how people are using social media to craft and tell their story and to tell the story of what’s happening kind of beyond their role. And then, when I left Twitter, I wasn’t quite sure what I wanted to do next. You know, it was actually, an interesting lull in tech. It was right before ChatGPT came out and was a consumer product. And so, when I left Twitter, I was like, I don’t really know what I wanna do next. Like, is anything exciting even happening in tech anymore? Isn’t it all just about, you know, trying to pump engagement on the various feeds that we’ve created? Maybe I don’t wanna do this. And when you’re having that kind of an identity crisis in the Bay Area, you know that you are legally required to start a podcast, which I did. And as I was editing that podcast, I found Descript. And the first time that I deleted my filler words, deleted text, and it changed the video, I had this experience that I think a lot of us have had when we find that magical product where I was like, oh, this is why I got into product management. Like, this is why I got into tech. It was to create magical solutions like this. And not just, you know, the experience of using the product, but also that, you know, great products, they don’t just do a job for you. They kind of transform the way that you see yourself. And for me, someone who is, like, much more comfortable in docs and decks, to suddenly be editing video media and publishing it, I was just like, oh my gosh, I’m a creative person. And having that transformative experience made me then knock on the door of Descript. They did not have a job description up. And I said, “Hey, are you hiring product people? I do product stuff.” Like, do you wanna hire me? Yeah. Lauren Ipsen: And now look at you. Laura Burkhauser: I’m the CEO. So this is why you’ve always got to shoot your shot, you know? Lauren Ipsen: A hundred percent. I think that applies to every aspect of life, and I love it. Very, very, very cool. I just think that that context is really helpful for the listeners to get a better understanding of kind of how you stumbled your way into Descript and also. why, you know you’ve found this kind of passion in creating content and amplifying it. So I love it. Super helpful. You talked a little bit about the pressure that so many people feel in the Bay Area and just more generally around creating content now and feeling like they have to be visible and have a voice. Talk to me about where that stems from, if you have any idea. And also just more generally, as a modern-day CEO, why you feel it’s so important to be having your voice out there? Laura Burkhauser: Yeah. I mean, it’s the same thing that’s happening in media in—in every kind of media, right? Where 40 years ago, there were just a few distribution channels, and there were a lot of gatekeepers to those distribution channels. And so, if you wanted to kind of, create the narrative of what’s happening in the world, you needed to have access to a gatekeeper, or you needed to ingratiate yourself into the people that own those distribution channels. Now, over the last 40 years, those distribution channels have multiplied, and they’ve become a lot more democratized. And social media obviously has pushed that, you know, as far as it can go, when—you know. And so, because of that, you see things like maybe in the old days, 20 years ago, you would try to craft the story about your product and try to own the narrative by hiring a PR firm and saying, “Can you go out and just try to get a lot of articles written about how this is happening right now, and try to get people to interview me? And give—and I’m gonna give this quote about why my company is the solution to this problem that’s been happening.” And you try to, like, create these news stories in official outlets. And now, anyone can create a news story and publish it. But so, it’s less about, like, do you have access to the storytellers, and more like, do you have the juice, right? Do you have the charisma? Do you have what it takes to get out there and craft the story? Because if you’re a founder, there’s probably, like, this pitch that you’ve given to a million funders and that you try to give on your website that’s like, here is the problem space. Here is the burning platform. Here’s why my product solves that. Right? Lauren Ipsen: Yeah, right. Laura Burkhauser: And it’s kind of amazing that you have that opportunity. Technically, you have the opportunity to go out and make that pitch to every person in the world right now. And the question is, do you have what it takes to break through? And do you have the stick-to-it-iveness to, like, keep up the momentum and keep pushing that message? Lauren Ipsen: Yeah. That’s the hard part, I think, for a lot of people. Like, a lot of people will get started. I mean, I’m guilty of this, right? I came out of the gates with this podcast. I dropped a bunch of episodes. And then it’s life gets crazy, you know? And you’re just like, oh, shoot. I have a lot that I want to put out there, but you also have a day job for you. You’re pushing product. You know, there’s lots of other things that are happening. So talk to me a little bit about how you continue to stay on it, push out content, and do it in an authentic way, where it doesn’t feel like you’re just doing it for the sake of doing it. Laura Burkhauser: What you need to do as a founder is sort of , think about yourself, and think about your problem space, and think about your product. And out of those three things, you need to figure out, like, okay, what is my content? What is my channel? And what is my practice gonna be? And, like, a helpful kind of two-by-two. You can think about—sorry, I, like, live, breathe, and will die in a two-by-two one day. And, like, the two-by-two on my mind is the content charisma matrix. Lauren Ipsen: Perfect. Laura Burkhauser: So some people who are listening are like, I have a lot of kind of expert content, right, that I can think about. Sometimes this is technical content, so you may be working on a really interesting model. And what you have is, like, technical content about how, you k

    36 min
  3. 08/08/2025

    Founder Therapy with Ash Devata: From Coconuts and Rice to Tech CEO

    In this episode of Never Too Early’s “Founder Therapy” series, Lauren Ipsen, talent partner at Decibel, sits down with Ash Devata, the CEO of GreyNoise Intelligence. Ash shares his unique journey from growing up in a small village in India to becoming a cybersecurity leader. He reflects on his career transitions, challenges faced while moving from large corporations like Cisco to leading a 55 person startup, and the importance of understanding and nurturing a company's ecosystem. Ash provides insights into maintaining relationships with founders, making tough decisions, and constantly adapting to changing market conditions. This episode is filled with valuable lessons for first-time CEOs and anyone interested in leadership in the tech startup world. 00:00 Introduction to Never Too Early Series 00:34 Meet Ash Devata: From Cisco to GreyNoise Intelligence 01:34 Ash's Journey: From India to Cybersecurity 03:17 Joining GreyNoise: The Decision-Making Process 07:00 Navigating CEO Challenges and Company Dynamics 12:06 Adapting from Large Corporations to Startups 16:12 Decision-Making and Collaboration with Founders 21:42 Understanding the Role of a New CEO 22:03 Building and Sustaining Relationships with Founders 23:00 Trusting Your Gut and Decision-Making 23:36 Personal Journey and Upbringing 24:13 Lessons from Family Business 26:06 Influence of Mentors and Leadership Philosophy 26:53 The Farmer Analogy and Ecosystem Management 27:54 Challenges of Remote Leadership 33:20 Adapting to Market Changes and Industry Shifts 35:23 Reflections on the CEO Role and Personal Growth 39:09 Final Thoughts and Advice for Aspiring CEOs Want more of Never Too Early? Find us on Tiktok, @nevertooearly1 and subscribe to us wherever you get your podcasts. Transcript LAUREN IPSEN: What's up, listeners? Welcome back to Never Too Early, a YouTube series focused on unconventional talent insights for founders. I'm Lauren Ipsen, Talent Partner at Decibel, and today, you're back on my Founder Therapy series. In this series, we'll be spending time with executives that have recently taken the leap to either start their own venture-backed tech companies or jump into a CEO seat for the very first time. These are folks that are going to be sharing mistakes, common misconceptions, learnings, and a whole lot more. So with that, I am beyond excited to welcome my guest today, Ash Devata. Ash was formerly the vice president and general manager of Cisco Zero Trust, and today is currently the CEO at GreyNoise Intelligence. Ash, welcome to the show. ASH DEVATA: Hi, Lauren. Oh, I'm so happy to be here. Thank you for having me. LAUREN IPSEN: Thank you so much for joining me. I really appreciate it. And for those listening, Ash just got back from an incredible trip where he kind of disconnected from the tech world in its entirety. And then maybe an hour into him being back in San Francisco, I convinced him to do this. So thanks for doing it. ASH DEVATA: Well, my pleasure. So at GreyNoise, where I am right now, we have a tradition of shutting down the company every summer for the July 4th weekend or the July 4th week. So I managed to squeeze an extra few days, took a vacation to Asia, and asked a few people in Asia that I was meeting on what they think about AI. And they looked at me like I’m an alien asking them alien questions, so this reminds me of kind of the bubble wheel in tech. LAUREN IPSEN: A hundred percent. All right, so I want to start by just kind of jumping into your background, your career, and how you ultimately got into the CEO seat at GreyNoise. So maybe you can just start with informing the listeners a little bit about yourself. ASH DEVATA: Sure. So right now, I'm the CEO of a cybersecurity startup called GreyNoise. We're in the space of threat intelligence about edge devices, and we sell that to governments. We sell that to fortune companies. We sell that to a lot of researchers. We're a relatively small company, 60 people, figuring things out, but we got good traction in the market. LAUREN IPSEN: Mm-hmm. ASH DEVATA: But rewind a lot. I was born in India in a small village in a family where we were growing rice and coconuts. That's my beginning. First generation graduate. Came to the US for my master's and a scholarship. Tried to work for a startup that is 10 people. Miserably failed. And then I joined a large company called EMC and then accidentally got into security. And I've been working in cybersecurity for about 15 years now. LAUREN IPSEN: Awesome. Cool. I didn't know that about you. What an interesting start to life, and then to be here. I mean, that's—yeah. It's probably incredibly important to do what you just did then, and remind yourself of kind of where you came from and different aspects of the world. ASH DEVATA: Yeah, yeah. You realize things from your childhood or, you know, teenage and later on that that influenced you, but you don't know that they play, actually, such a big role. LAUREN IPSEN: Sure. ASH DEVATA: I'll share the story later, but, you know, I was thinking about what influenced me to become a CEO. and there are aspects of my childhood and growing up, you know, that I feel played a significant role. LAUREN IPSEN: Yeah. Cool. I love that. Talk to me a little bit about how you stumbled upon GreyNoise and ultimately what brought you there, and why you were specifically excited about taking on the CEO seat there. I had a conversation with a good friend of mine who—she's the CEO at TIAA. And she said, it's such an interesting thing when you come in and step into a CEO seat because, essentially, you're renting. You're renting the title. And, really, someone has created this company as a founder, and it's their baby. And you're almost coming in as a stepparent, essentially. But you want to show it the same love and care that they would. But it can be—it can be really difficult. So I'm curious, what got you to GreyNoise, and ultimately how it's been being a CEO over the course of the past two years or so? ASH DEVATA: To continue with your friend's analogy, maybe, you know, if it's co- parenting, it's like one direction, but if you are shifting the parents, then it's a different direction. Fortunately for me, it's more of co-parenting. You know, I was in search for my next gig, and I was mainly exploring starting a company of my own. But I knew that I needed a technical co-founder. So I was in the market looking for a technical co-founder. And in that journey, I met Andrew Morris, the founder of GreyNoise. And I think the decision point came down to three different things. You know, one is about me and my personal journey, what I want. The second is the founder and the founder's journey and what state the founder is in. And the third is the state of the company. What does the company actually need to go to the next level, whatever the next level actually means. So that was my framework to make the right decision. And I feel things aligned on those three. For me, I wanted to work in very interesting tech that has impact, that has a small niche where we have a chance of winning, where I can actually have impact with building the right team and culture. That's what I was after. The founder is extremely mission oriented. You know, Andrew just—he's a high school dropout. Comes from a family that's been serving in the Army since 1818—like, seven generations, and he's the first guy to break the chain. So he's got this enormous weight on his back to serve back to the country and sort of back to the community. And the choice of the tool for him is cybersecurity. So, interestingly, he doesn't care about revenue, ARR, metrics, delivery, features. He just wants to catch the bad guys and be the best at catching the bad guys and sell that information as intel. So I loved that maniacal focus on mission, and that's all that matters for him. And he's one of the best hackers in the world. Understands edge and perimeter really, really well. So it's kind of—I felt it's an extremely complementary skill. And I asked him when we were dating in the initial stage, what's giving him joy, and is he having fun with his role? And he was transparent enough and said, “Absolutely no.” Like he was hating all the meetings he's sitting in. He doesn't care about all these aspects of planning and go-to-market, but he's missing doing the actual technical work. LAUREN IPSEN: Yeah. ASH DEVATA: Yeah. And then the company aspect, the company was at a phase where they got a really amazing traction. And then it's trying to figure out how do you go to the next level from product maturity, go-to-market, scaling across the world, you know, redefining the customer base, all those aspects. So I thought, like, the mix of what I want, where the founder is and where the company is, mapped pretty well for this case. LAUREN IPSEN: A hundred percent. And it sounds like, all things considered— 'cause when I used to do CEO searches at my time at Daversa, I was—those were always really, really difficult. Usually, if you're conducting a CEO search, there's typically a little bit of hair on it for one reason or another. Maybe someone's being pushed out, or maybe they're putting up their hands and saying, “Hey, I don't think that this is the best role for me,” which it sounds like it was more of that in your situation. But it can be really difficult to bring two parties in and have them kind of both take each other's hands and make it work. It sounds like you both have incredibly complementary skill sets. And you did have a situation where someone was saying there's probably someone better-suited to focus on the go-to-market and product vision side of things, and I just want to focus on what I love. And that's the hacking and technical side of things. ASH DEVATA: Right. LAUREN IPSEN: So as ideal as maybe it can be coming into a first-time CEO gig. Correct me if I'm wrong, though. ASH DEVATA: Oh, absolutely. I feel I was fortunate to come across this

    39 min
  4. 10/18/2024

    Hiring Your First Contractors with Amy Kim

    In this episode of 'Never Too Early,' host Lauren Ipsen from Decibel engages with Amy Kim, the Chief Revenue Officer at A.Team, discussing the strategic use of contractors for early-stage startups. Amy provides insights into the evolving gig economy, emphasizing the paradigm shift towards output-driven organizations in a rapidly changing workforce landscape. She discusses the benefits of hiring contractors, such as flexibility and cost efficiency, while addressing common concerns and misconceptions about their investment and reliability.  The conversation also covers A.Team's rigorous vetting process for high-caliber talent, differences in contractor versus full-time employee compensation, and the importance of cultural fit and regular feedback. Amy shares her perspective on when it is optimal to hire contractors, stressing function over company stage, and encourages founders to overcome traditional stigmas associated with contract work as they build agile, impact-focused teams. 00:00 Introduction to Never Too Early 00:19 Meet Amy Kim: CRO at The A.Team 02:42 Question One: What are the pros and cons of hiring contractors versus ful time employees? Amy and Lauren address the negative association that usually comes with hiring contractors as opposed to full time employees and why it shouldn’t be taken at face value. 06:31 Question Two: Do I vet contractors the same as I do full time employees? Amy talks through not only how the A.Team vets talent that they let into their contract community, but also ways to ensure that your company is also choosing the right contractor. 13:20 Question Three: What does compensation typically look like for contractors versus full time employees? Lauren talks about how contractors can often charge a premium on the front end, or actually be more expensive from a cash perspective than hiring a full time employee, but overall, are ultimately cheaper for the organization. 15:33 Question Four: When is it less optimal to engage contractors? Amy talks about how it’s actually less important to focus on the stage of the company for contractor support and more important to focus on the specialty or function. 17:25 Question Five: How do I ensure that contractors feel properly incentivized? The biggest reason contractors fail is when they are not properly incentivized or treated as a player on the field. Amy talks about the importance of frequent check-ins and aligning incentives early in the contract engagement process. Want more of Never Too Early? Find us on Tiktok, @nevertooearly1 and subscribe to us wherever you get your podcasts.

    20 min

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Welcome to Never Too Early, a YouTube series focused on unconventional talent insights for founders. I’m Lauren Ipsen, Talent Partner at Decibel. At Decibel, we invest in founders at the earliest stage and help them scale by connecting them with rising stars and industry experts who have scaled seed stage companies all the way to a successful exit. In each episode we will answer the top 5 commonly asked questions by founders who are building their organizations for the very first time. It is never too early to learn from the best! nevertooearly.substack.com