NYKids Deep Dive

NYKids

Hello and welcome to the NY Kids Deep Dive podcast where we engage in our principles to Inform, Inspire, and Improve New York State Schools through conversation with educators, leaders, researchers, and advocates for high-quality education from across the state. We invite you to join us in an exploration of practices, policies, and research so you can be part of making the changes you want to see in our educational system.

  1. 4D AGO

    How Continuous Improvement Tools Can Transform P-20 Partnerships: w/ Dr. Matt Missias and Dr. Kristen Wilcox

    How Continuous Improvement Tools Can Transform P-20 Partnerships  with Dr. Matt Missias and Dr. Kristen Wilcox What if the secret to addressing complex problems across the P-12 and higher education pipeline lies in deeper understanding of 1) human experiences and 2) interconnected systems that shape what resources are available and drawn upon.  In our latest podcast episode, Dr. Kristen C. Wilcox from the University at Albany and NYKids Director sits down with Dr. Matthew T. Missias from Grand Valley State University explores how continuous improvement protocols and processes can support collaborations, which in turn can affect improvements in access and equity across P-20.  The Challenge  Educational partnerships across the P-20 pipeline—from preschool through graduate education—face persistent challenges. Whether you're working in charter schools, traditional public schools, or higher education institutions, you've likely encountered challenges that seem resistant to siloed problem-solving approaches. The disconnect often lies in our inability to see both the forest and the trees: the individual human experiences within the larger systems we navigate daily.  Collaborative Approaches to Problem Understanding and Solution Co-designing  This blog announces a new podcast with our guest Dr. Matt Missias and NYKids Director Dr. Kristen Wilcox. They highlight two powerful continuous improvement tools they workshopped at the University Council for Educational Administration (UCEA) annual convention that are supporting how educators approach collaborative continuous improvement: empathy mapping and ecosystem mapping. These are practical protocols grounded in improvement science principles that help P-12 and higher education partners move from superficial to deep understandings of what is and isn’t working for whom and under what conditions.  The podcast focuses in on Ecosystem mapping that Dr. Missias explains reveals the complex web of people, organizations, ideas, and contexts that influence educational problems. By visualizing these interconnections, partners can identify leverage points they might have otherwise missed. Who are the unexpected allies? What systems intersect with the improvement work? Where do opportunities for collective impact exist?  Key Insights  Dr. Missias shares his framework for collaboration with P-12 partners—COVET—Communication, Openness, Vulnerability, Experience, and Trust—as essential elements for successful partnerships. This isn't soft skills work; it's the foundation that allows collaboration improvement to flourish in real-world settings.  Dr. Wilcox emphasizes the importance of anchoring partnership work in improvement science principles: being problem-focused and user-centered, integrating research into strategic planning, and deliberately inviting diverse professionals into continuous improvement teams. Her work with NYKids COMPASS process demonstrates how these principles translate into sustained, evidence-based support for school improvement.  Join the Conversation  Whether you're a school leader, researcher, professional development specialist, policy maker, or community organization member, this episode offers practical tools you can implement immediately.   See the workshop slide deck on the NYKids website and reach out to nykids@albany.edu if you would like to learn how to facilitate empathy mapping sessions, create your own ecosystem maps, and build the kind of trust-based and mutually-beneficial partnerships that actually move the needle toward your goals.

    32 min
  2. JAN 10

    Year End Retrospective - Part 1

    We are excited to release our very first Deep Dive highlight reel! In this 2-part retrospective series, we are sharing clips from episodes we have released in the past year. We hope you gain new insights and find guests you have not heard from before. In this episode, we feature clips from (in order of appearance): 3:11 - Jason Ryan and Aaron Leo In this episode, NYKids Assistant Director Aaron Leo chats with Principal Ryan about all things Artificial Intelligence (AI) and catches up on the latest news at LaFayette. 7:55 - Dr. Deb Schussler and Jessie Tobin In our second episode, NYKids Research Assistants Jessie Tobin and Paul Guay talk with professor Deborah in the Department of Educational Policy and Leadership at the University of Albany, SUNY about mindfulness and how it’s application can improve the well-being of teachers and students. 16:28 - Dave Little and Aaron Leo NYKids Assistant Director, Aaron Leo, talks with Dave Little from the Rural Schools Association. The conversation covers all things rural including the unique challenges facing rural schools, new policies and programs aimed at improving the educational experiences of rural students, and the important work being done at the RSA. 26:25 - Allison Armour-Garb, Nicole Lennon, and Kristen Wilcox In this podcast, NYKids Director Kristen C. Wilcox and Assistant Director Aaron Leo welcomed members of New York State Education Department Allison Armour-Garb and Nicole Lennon. Armour-Garb and Lennon both serve as leaders for NYSED's Performance-Based Learning and Assessment Networks (or PLAN) Pilot program. 32:07 - Bob Schneider and Kristen Wilcox NYKids Graduate Assistant Paul Guay and NYKids Director Kristen C. Wilcox hosted Bob Schneider, Executive Director of the New York State School Boards Association (NYSSBA). NYSSBA is one of NYKids' valued Advisory Board organizations, and Bob provided insights into what NYSSBA is focusing its attention on right now. You can keep up with NYKids’ latest research and school improvement work by visiting our ⁠website⁠ and following us on ⁠Facebook⁠, ⁠Instagram⁠, and ⁠LinkedIn⁠.   As always, we welcome your comments or questions at ⁠nykids@albany.edu⁠.

    38 min
  3. 12/15/2025

    Amplifying Youth Voice and Identity through Action Research: A Conversation with Dr. Jenay F. E. Willis

    This latest blog shares highlights from our Deep Dive podcast episode with Dr. Jenay F. E. Willis from the University of Mississippi!  Dr. Willis is a researcher and scholar practitioner who draws from her own experiences as a Black woman from the Deep South. Her work applies critical lenses to explore the lived experiences of rural Black students and communities as they navigate college access, success, transition, matriculation, and graduation. Dr. Willis utilizes what she refers to as community-driven and shared power approaches to center individual’s identities in her practice.   In this episode, we take a deep dive into how these strategies can be engaged and discuss the learning opportunities involved in community-driven and youth-led research.     Our conversation covers issues including:   Dr. Willis’ background and what has driven her work today: from going to school in the rural South to teaching in an Urban district in the Northeast.    Research on youths’ experiences, in particular, with attention to the experiences of rural, Black students and communities.   Breaking down youth-led participatory action research (YPAR), which is a method that centers young people as the experts and applies their inquires to promote change in their communities. Dr. Willis shares her current projects with YPAR, including a research method called photovoice.   The meaning behind community-based research and how it supports Dr. Willis’ scholarship.     The opportunities and obstacles researchers face when it comes to implementing community-based research and highlighting youth voices.  Listen to our podcast on Spotify or Apple Podcasts and be sure to like, subscribe, and leave us reviews. Thank you for your support of NYKids as we continue our mission to inform, inspire, and improve across New York State!

    33 min
  4. 11/07/2025

    Teacher Retention, School Discipline, K-12 School Finance Oh My! A New Podcast with Dr. Lucy Sorensen

    Understanding the Complex Challenges Facing Today's Schools  Education policy faces unprecedented challenges. Teacher shortages plague districts nationwide, and school discipline policies spark heated debates. Meanwhile, funding formulas struggle to address the comprehensive needs of students and educators alike in communities facing different types of challenges.  Dr. Lucy Sorensen joins our latest podcast to unpack these interconnected issues. Her research uses sophisticated analytical methods to examine critical questions in K-12 education policy and social inequality. Currently serving as Associate Editor of Educational Evaluation and Policy Analysis, Dr. Sorensen brings unique expertise to understanding how public school systems interact with criminal justice, environmental, and health systems.  The Hidden Costs of Teacher Turnover  Teacher turnover extends far beyond the obvious disruption of classroom instruction. Dr. Sorensen's groundbreaking 2020 research reveals "hidden costs" that ripple through entire school communities. When experienced teachers leave, schools often fill positions with less qualified replacements.  The data tells a sobering story. Schools experiencing teacher turnover see increased shares of teachers with limited experience, provisional licenses, or lateral entry credentials. These replacement teachers frequently lack certification in their assigned subjects and may score lower on licensure tests.  But the impact doesn't stop there. High-poverty schools and those geographically isolated from teacher preparation programs face even greater challenges. The effects compound over time because less qualified teachers tend to leave at higher rates, creating a cycle of instability.  Mental Health and Well-Being: The Foundation of Learning  The pandemic highlighted something education leaders have long suspected: student and teacher mental health directly impacts academic success. Dr. Sorensen emphasizes that schools need more than traditional resources like "teachers and books." Comprehensive services addressing mental health and well-being must become integral to school operations and as NYKids researchers also found – mut be adjusted to the specific needs in different communities.  This shift requires rethinking how we support both students and educators. Teachers experiencing chronic stress and burnout cannot effectively serve students who may be struggling with their own mental health challenges. Schools that prioritize comprehensive well-being supports see benefits across multiple outcomes.  The Complex Reality of School Resource Officers  School safety remains a top priority, but Dr. Sorensen's 2023 research on school resource officers (SROs) reveals complicated outcomes. While SROs do reduce certain types of school violence, including physical attacks without weapons, they also increase disciplinary consequences significantly.  The expansion of SRO presence leads to more   out-of-school suspensions,   expulsions,   police referrals, and   arrests.   Perhaps most concerning, these increased punishments disproportionately affect Black students, male students, and students with disabilities. This research challenges schools to carefully consider whether increased police presence truly serves all students equitably.  Building Resilient Schools for the Future  So what's the path forward? Dr. Sorensen advocates for "resiliency in schools" – a comprehensive approach that addresses multiple interconnected challenges simultaneously. Post-pandemic recovery, shifting federal funding priorities, and ongoing teacher pipeline issues require coordinated responses from policymakers and educational leaders.  The conversation with Dr. Sorensen reminds us that education policy requires nuanced understanding and evidence-based solutions. Simple answers rarely address complex problems effectively. But through rigorous research and thoughtful implementation, we can build schools that truly serve all students well.

    31 min
  5. 10/20/2025

    Tracking Developments in the Superintendency with Dr. Chuck Dedrick: Executive Director of the New York State Council of School Superintendents

    We are delighted to announce a new podcast with Dr. Charles S. Dedrick, one of NYKids’ valued advisory board members. Dr. Dedrick has served as Executive Director of the New York State Council of School Superintendents since July 2016, now in his ninth year leading the professional and advocacy organization that serves over 1,000 educational leaders statewide. Prior to this role, Dedrick brought extensive field experience as District Superintendent of Capital Region BOCES and Superintendent of Schools at both Cohoes City School District and Green Island Union Free School District, beginning his career as a Social Studies teacher.  His educational credentials include a B.A. in Political Science, dual Master's degrees in Literacy and Educational Administration from UAlbany, and a doctorate in Educational Leadership from Russell Sage College. Dedrick has served on the American Association of School Administrators' Governing Board and Executive Committee, representing New York and New England states.   Key Take-aways  The superintendent profession faces unprecedented challenges, with NYSCOSS data showing an  expected retirement rate of 45% in the next 4-5 years for New York's school superintendents. This instability threatens district continuity and student outcomes, particularly in rural and high-need communities where leadership transitions can be especially disruptive.  While progress has been made in gender representation, with slight increases in female superintendents, significant barriers remain. Women entering superintendent roles tend to do so later in their careers, potentially limiting their long-term impact and succession planning opportunities. More concerning is the persistent lack of racial and ethnic diversity, with over 90% of superintendents identifying as white despite New York's increasingly diverse student population.  Policy challenges continue to mount as superintendents navigate competing federal and state priorities. The Trump administration's voucher program, offering tax credits for private school donations, creates new competitive pressures for public districts already struggling with funding constraints. Simultaneously, proposed Medicaid cuts threaten essential health services that many schools provide to vulnerable students and families.  However, opportunities exist for positive change. The Portrait of a Graduate framework offers a shared vision for student success that transcends political divisions, focusing on universally valued skills and competencies. NYSCOSS's advocacy efforts on educator retirement waivers and rural telehealth demonstrate how professional organizations can address practical challenges facing districts statewide.  Moving forward, addressing the superintendent crisis requires sustained attention to leadership development, mentorship programs, and creating pathways for diverse candidates to enter and succeed in these critical roles. The success of New York's students depends largely on the stability and effectiveness of district leadership, making these challenges among the most urgent facing public education today.

    31 min
  6. 10/09/2025

    Community Schools and Partnerships: A Conversation with Dr. Dawn Anderson-Butcher

    On this week’s Deep Dive episode, NYKids Research Assistant, Jessie Tobin, interviews Dr. Dawn Anderson-Butcher from Ohio State University (OSU). Dr. Anderson-Butcher is a Professor in the College of Social Work at OSU, and her areas of expertise are positive youth development (PYD) and school-family-community partnerships.   The discussion focuses on school-family-community partnerships in the United States with special attention to the community school model. Community schools bridge resources and critical partnerships in the community to meet the needs of students and their families. These initiatives are considered especially important and beneficial for young people from low socioeconomic neighborhoods who require support for the nonacademic challenges they face outside of school (e.g., mental health disorders, trauma, violence, substance misuse).  Dr. Anderson-Butcher shares her insights on what the research says about these kinds of partnerships - specifically their impacts on child development, learning, and in improving school capacities to meet community needs.   Tune into our podcast today to learn more about:   1. Impacts of school-family-community partnerships on vulnerable youth and families.  2. Community school models: what are they and what do they look like in action?   3. Why are community schools important?  4. What does the future look like for community schools and school-family-community collaboration? We encourage you to reach out with comments, questions, or inquiries at nykids@albany.edu.

    47 min
  7. 09/04/2025

    Engaging Families and Communities featuring Joseph Otter: Director of School Community Partnerships Lansingburgh Central School District

    A new episode of NYKids Deep Dive is ready for you – just in time for the new school year! In this episode, Assistant Director of NYKids Aaron Leo meets with Joseph Otter, the Director of School Community Partnerships in Lansingburgh Central School District.  Joseph Otter’s Biography: In his role as Director of School Community Partnerships, Joseph Otter’s work includes the Trauma Sensitive Schools initiative, Equity, Inclusivity & Diversity efforts, implementation of grants and supervision of the social work department. Before joining Lansingburgh CSD, Joseph Otter was an assistant principal at the Neil Hellman School, a school for students with emotional-behavioral disturbance, and prior to that served for 16 years at Capital Region BOCES providing professional development, technical assistance and consultation to schools, agencies and members of the New York State Education Department’s technical assistance networks.    The Podcast Episode  It was a pleasure to learn all about Director Otter’s experience engaging families and communities in Lansingburgh – a topic which NYKids has written about for the School Community Journal and Child & Youth Services.   In this episode, Director Otter describes a range of programs and practices designed to build strong relationships with families and the wider community. Some topics we explore are:   What the most pressing needs facing families and communities are  How to overcome obstacles to meet families’ needs  Insights gained from partnering with families and communities  The future of family and community engagement  A few key take-aways and quotes from Director Otter:   How districtwide initiatives and partnerships with community organizations are being used meet students’ and families’ needs: “When those [basic needs] aren’t in place, it’s harder for kids to do well in school”   How to support students’ mental health and ensure they can access services and resources: “I’m hoping that over time there will be even more support and normalization of the idea of mental health and wellbeing being part of the goals and missions of schools.”   How to collaborate with families as partners and gathering feedback from them: “You have to find ways to go to them… we need to make an effort to be at other places at other times for [families].”

    36 min
  8. 08/12/2025

    A Conversation with Cindy Gallagher of SAANYS

    In this episode, hosts Maria Khan and Aaron Leo sit down with Cindy Gallagher, Director of Government Relations at SAANYS (School Administrators Association of New York State). Together, they explore ongoing initiatives and insights from SAANYS and what they mean for schools and educators in New York.  A Brief Bio of Dr. Gallagher  Dr. Cindy Gallagher leads SAANYS’s member-driven Government Relations Committee, ensuring that school leaders’ voices are heard in key legislative and regulatory discussions across New York State. Holding a PhD in Educational Policy and Leadership from the University at Albany (SUNY), Dr. Gallagher combines scholarly expertise with firsthand experience. Dr. Gallagher is a tireless advocate for New York schools and administrators and offers a compelling perspective on the two-way relationship between policy decisions and the everyday realities of school leadership.  What to Listen For:  Why this conversation matters right now — In a shifting educational landscape, what are the areas that school leaders need to consider?  Top priorities/challenges for school leaders in 2025 — Severe staffing shortages (including principals covering classrooms), student learning loss, discipline/behavior issues and more  Lasting impacts from COVID-19, five years later – Where are the impacts most prominent, early childhood education or secondary schools or high schools?  Real-world insights and advocacy in action — How does SAANYS amplify the voices of principals and administrators across the state to influence policy?  What this means for educators and administrators — Key takeaways and practical ideas you can bring back to your district or school.

    38 min

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Hello and welcome to the NY Kids Deep Dive podcast where we engage in our principles to Inform, Inspire, and Improve New York State Schools through conversation with educators, leaders, researchers, and advocates for high-quality education from across the state. We invite you to join us in an exploration of practices, policies, and research so you can be part of making the changes you want to see in our educational system.