Off the Record with Brian Murphy

Brian Murphy
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The only show where today’s top mid-revenue cycle leaders share the personal stories, struggles, and successes that you won’t hear on the big stage—but made them who they are today. Join host Brian Murphy as he interviews leaders and interesting personalities from HIM/coding, clinical documentation integrity (CDI), case management, and related healthcare fields about their origins, current challenges and successes, and lessons that you can apply to grow your own career.

  1. 15H AGO

    Beyond the Dashboard: Tiara Minor on Mentorship and Meaningful CDI Leadership

    In a day and age where we’re too often looking in the mirror and focused on our own problems and successes, Tiara Minor is all about empowering others. As the Director of CDI for University of Miami Health system Tiara makes things happen for her team, because she’s all about sharing her expertise and education, growing her staff, and now the CDI profession itself. She’s giving back on the broader stage as an ACDIS advisory board member, conference speaker, and now biggest achievement—guest on Off the Record. (I wrote that last one with a straight face, barely). One of the things that impressed me about Tiara was her observation that most training seems to be geared for CDI leaders. Her focus is on her staff, making sure that they have not just mastered the fundamentals of chart review, but also clinical nuances across service lines. We get into education, mentorship, and more on today’s episode. Listen in as we cover: Tiara’s broad responsibilities and a typical day in the life System focus, CDI metrics, and dashboard Her nontraditional journey into CDI--ER nurse to pediatrics, a foray into consulting, and return to the hospital setting. And winning over some skeptical coders along the way... Mentorship: Growing her staff and how she differentiates mentorship that from management. Her role as educator and an example of an interesting clinical query/quality opportunity she presented to the team An ACDIS splash—getting elected to the advisory board, winning both an individual award (recognition of professional achievement) and an organizational award (Diversity in CDI), and the speaking circuit.

    53 min

  2. FEB 25

    Risk Adjustment Reality Check: What’s Working—and What Isn’t

    This year has been something of a reckoning for Medicare Advantage. Senator Grassley’s scathing report of UHG’s risk adjustment practices, and the Kaiser $556 million settlement to resolve False Claims Act allegations of upcoding, opened eyes, and got many in the industry talking. I wanted to get someone on the show with opinions, unafraid to speak their mind and share their perspective. I’ve found that person. Betty Stump is Senior Solution Consultant for Edifecs, a Cotiviti Business. She is in the business of risk adjustment and value-based care on the vendor side, but is never afraid to offer her opinion on the industry, pro and con. And with more than 20 years in the industry across multiple well-known companies, it’s an informed one. Listen in as we discuss: What is working in value-based care/risk adjustment—and where have we gone wrong? Recent conference disillusionment. Kaiser DOJ fine and the Grassley report taking aim at UHG’s aggressive risk adjustment strategy: Betty’s thoughts and where does this heightened era of scrutiny put risk adjustment coders. Do we need to elevate the MEAT standard? What are organizations missing with risk adjustment? Great, practical, low-tech suggestions for RAF capture including using your 2025 end-of-year roster to identify those patients with high-risk conditions and engage in proactive outreach to get patients seen. V28 of CMS-HCCs with V24 in the rear-view mirror. Truthful tech talk: How leaders can get a seat at the table, how to get a vendor’s ear to modify functionality, and truth and hype in CDI tech How should a CDI or coder interact with a machine prompt from a suspecting tool? Looking back at a colorful 20-year career in the consulting life, and a thoughtful selection for the Off the Record Spotify playlist by a fellow music enthusiast.

    1 hr

  3. FEB 11

    A reckoning for Medicare Advantage: Inside the Kaiser case with Mary Inman and Liz Soltan

    Medicare Advantage is undergoing a reckoning ... and that reckoning is coming from within.  In January Kaiser Permanente affiliates agreed to pay $556 million to resolve allegations that it violated the False Claims Act by submitting invalid diagnosis codes for their MA Plan enrollees in order to receive higher payments from the government.   The case was instigated by what is known as whistleblowers.  Regular listeners might recall my podcast on this topic back in January 2025 with Mary Inman, a Partner at Whistleblower Partners LLP, and Head of International Whistleblower Practice for the firm. We had a fascinating conversation about the process of whistleblowing and New York insurer Independent Health, which agreed in December 2024 to pay $100M to settle allegations it had upcoded claims to inflate MA payment.  We’ve now more than 5x-ed that fine with Kaiser. Per the Department of Justice the claims resolved by the settlement are allegations only and there has been no determination of liability. But it was a major wakeup call for MA.  Mary is back for today’s show along with her colleague Liz Soltan, a senior associate in the firm’s NYC office. Listen in as we discuss:  Key terms: What is whistleblowing and the concept of qui-tam?  Kaiser case origins which began more than 12 years ago, and Mary and Liz’s evolving roles in the case  The facts on the ground, as alleged by the whistleblowers and the DOJ, specifically the issue of addenda to the medical record  Unfolding of the case, a behind the scenes look as new whistleblowers joined, and reaching of the settlement  What can we learn from a medical coding/reimbursement perspective?  What can healthcare organizations do to ensure their employees don’t blow the whistle and avoid similar fines and headlines?

    52 min

  4. JAN 28

    From Encephalopathy to Edema: Talking chart review with Dr. Tarman Aziz

    I’m consistently surprised at how few CDI or IP coding professionals talk about their most basic job function. The very reason they are hired, and what most do for eight hours a day: I'm talking about chart review. Go on Linkedin or Facebook and it’s rarely discussed. Yet it’s ... everything. Nuanced, complex, clinical, critical to the quality of financial health of hospitals. It’s how patient acuity is expressed in coded data, how hospitals get paid, and why CDI and coding professionals are employed. I’ve heard it described as akin to detective work, puzzling together the pieces and presenting an informed query to the provider. Yet like detective work it often remains a mystery. Dr. Tarman Aziz joined me to open up that conversation. He is founder and CEO of CDIQ Consulting, LLC, a physician-led healthcare education and consulting firm focused on closing the gap between clinical reality and coded data. On this episode of #OTR we discuss: Is chart review unique to the individual/healthcare organization/assistive tech, or are there underlying principles everyone can follow? How evolving clinical indicators in a case drive a concurrent CDI workflow—the differences of reviewing a chart at 24 vs 72 hours as clinical indicators morph How early is too early to look at an inpatient chart? Underutilized and underrated areas of the health record Review strategies for encephalopathy, dehydration, hyper- and hyponatremia, and cerebral edema/compression Tarman’s work consulting and educating non-traditional CDI candidates The remarkable story of Tarman’s fiancé Anna, an 11-year survivor of Stage 4 breast cancer

    55 min

  5. JAN 14

    From Risk to Revenue Clarity: How One Health System Transformed OP CDI Performance

    And we’re off! The first episode of #OTR of 2026, From Risk to Revenue Clarity: How One Health System Transformed OP CDI Performance. I continue to beat the drum of outpatient CDI because I believe in it. Risk adjustment and capitated payments are a superior reimbursement mechanism than fee-for-service. Certainly not perfect, but I believe they are better aligned with keeping patients healthy. It’s also an exciting new avenue for CDI and coding professionals to work. Making it work isn’t easy. Success requires new workflows, new metrics, and an even greater level of physician education/buy-in than acute care settings. We get into all of this on today’s show. My guest Jason Jobes, SVP of Norwood Solutions, is a whiz when it comes to value-based care, you will be hard-pressed to find a more informed speaker. Note: You can download the slides referenced on the show here, though they are not needed.

    57 min

  6. 12/19/2025

    Closing out 2025 with its biggest story: Artificial intelligence

    Here we are, our last episode of Off the Record this year.  I hope you’ve had a great 2025.  Just my voice today.  I’m ending with a solocast, a reading/summary of a paper about the biggest news story of the year: The explosive growth and proliferation of artificial intelligence, or AI.   You might recall my poll from a couple weeks ago; you all confirmed it.  Where do people fit with this tech? None of us really know, but I offer my opinion here.

    21 min

  7. 12/05/2025

    Outpatient OG: Amy Campbell on Pre-Visit Reviews, Pet Peeves, and People Management

    Outpatient CDI is still in its pioneer-”ish” stage. Why do I say that? Per the most recent ACDIS survey data, only 31% of respondents indicated their organization had a dedicated OP CDI program.   Progress, but not enough, and still a minority.  So when you find an “OG” who has been working in risk adjustment for well over a decade, you need to pay attention. Odds are they’ve got some lessons to share and wisdom to confer. That certainly describes Amy Campbell, Director of Outpatient CDI for LifePoint Health.   Listen in as we discuss:     “Building the airplane as we were flying...” Her start and early days in OP CDI.  A “day in the life of” her role as OP CDI Director today for a large and growing healthcare organization  Dashboard for success and most impactful/important KPIs  Manual chart reviews (yes, they do this—no assistive tech). What does a pre-visit review look like/how is it conducted, and what common clarifications and dx opportunities are her team finding?  Rapid fire round: Biggest OP CDI pet peeve (a doozy), RN vs. HIM staffing decisions, and the hardest part of managing people  Interesting career stops, from critical care nurse and neurological intensive care nurse, to consulting, to content reviewer for Lippincott.  Being a mother of an adult child with autism

    56 min

  8. 11/17/2025

    From Resistance to Results: Provider engagement from the front lines

    No matter how great your CDI program is—its spectacular workflow, outstanding chart review team, on-point KPIs, shiny new AI tools—nothing works if you don’t have engaged physicians.  It still all comes down to provider engagement. Without a physician staff who is bought in and willing to participate and document with specificity in the health record, all these efforts are for naught.   But with great engagement, great things are possible.  So where are we today with the big daddy of all CDI topics? Joining me on this episode of #OTR are two physicians with considerable experience and plenty of war stories. Trey LaCharite, Medical Director for CDI and Coding and Clinical Associate Professor for University of Tennessee Medical Center, and Vaughn Matacale, director of the physician advisor group for ECU Health in North Carolina, open up for a frank, no-holds barred discussion on the following topics:    What is overrated when it comes to provider engagement--and what is underrated?  The best high-tech solution each recommends, and a great low-tech solution that stands the test of time.  An ultimate success story winning over a difficult provider or service line.  Notable failures others can learn from.  RUSH reunion tour in 2026—yay or nay? Spoiler alert: Of course the answer is yes...  And other fun stuff you really shouldn't miss...

    40 min
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The only show where today’s top mid-revenue cycle leaders share the personal stories, struggles, and successes that you won’t hear on the big stage—but made them who they are today. Join host Brian Murphy as he interviews leaders and interesting personalities from HIM/coding, clinical documentation integrity (CDI), case management, and related healthcare fields about their origins, current challenges and successes, and lessons that you can apply to grow your own career.

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