Off The Tools with Wayne and Andy 🔥

Wayne Bettess and Andy Jones

Welcome to the Off The Tools Podcast, where two of the UK's best trade business coaches, Wayne Bettess & Andrew Jones, deliver tons of free value week in week out to help trade business owners level up their business and more importantly themselves. Wayne Bettess & Andrew Jones are passionate entrepreneurs & trade business owners themselves who are committed to personal and professional development. on this channel, Wayne & Andy share their wisdom on mindset, self-development, and offer glimpses into how to create a life that is one of choice and freedom.

  1. 1d ago

    #45 “I Can’t Charge That” — The Pricing Mindset Keeping Tradesmen Stuck

    “I Can’t Charge That” — The Pricing Mindset Keeping Tradesmen Stuck In this episode of the Off The Tools Podcast, Wayne Bettess and Andy Jones tackle one of the biggest pricing problems in the trade industry: “I can’t charge that.” After seeing comments from tradesmen claiming you cannot charge more than a certain day rate or hourly rate in their area, Wayne and Andy break down why this mindset is holding so many plumbers, heating engineers, electricians, gas engineers, joiners, builders and trade business owners back. The truth is, most tradesmen are not pricing based on their actual business costs, profit targets, overheads, time, risk or value. They are pricing based on what other accidental business owners are charging. Wayne and Andy explain why £60–£80 per hour might feel normal in the trade industry, but often leaves no real profit once you factor in fuel, vans, admin, tools, insurance, tax, holidays, downtime, quoting time and the cost of actually running a business. Inside this episode, we cover: Why “I can’t charge that” is often a business owner problem Why copying local competitors is dangerous Why most trade pricing is built by accidental business owners How to reverse-engineer your hourly rate properly Why profit must be built into your pricing The difference between price and value Why some businesses can charge £150+ VAT per hour Why customers pay more when the value is clear How reviews help justify premium pricing Why Review Lion helps build trust across multiple platforms Why branding, websites, workwear and van presentation matter Why customer experience wraps around the job itself Why your current customers might not be your future customers How marketing helps you attract better-paying customers Why cheap customers often keep you trapped Why different trades need different pricing models Why knowing your numbers is non-negotiable This episode is perfect for UK tradesmen who know they need to put their prices up but keep talking themselves out of it. Whether you are a heating engineer, plumber, electrician, builder, carpenter, joiner or trade business owner, this episode will challenge how you think about pricing, value, positioning and profit. Because the issue is not always that customers will not pay more. Sometimes the issue is that your business is not positioned, branded, reviewed, marketed or systemised well enough to justify charging more yet. You cannot just wake up tomorrow and charge premium prices. You have to build a business that delivers premium value. Better systems, better reviews, better communication, better branding, better marketing and a better customer experience all give you the confidence and proof to charge what the business actually needs. If you keep pricing like everyone else, you will stay stuck like everyone else. Key Takeaway You cannot just wake up tomorrow and charge premium prices. You have to build a business that delivers premium value. Better systems, better reviews, better communication, better branding, better marketing and a better customer experience all give you the confidence and proof to charge what the business actually needs. If you keep pricing like everyone else, you will stay stuck like everyone else.

  2. Sep 9

    #44 Silly Season Is Here: How Heating Engineers Can Survive Winter Without Losing Their Head

    Silly Season Is Here: How Heating Engineers Can Survive Winter Without Losing Their Head In this episode of the Off The Tools Podcast, Wayne Bettess and Andy Jones talk about the start of silly season in the heating industry — that busy period when the weather turns, boilers start breaking down, customers become urgent, and the next few months can quickly become a blur. Although this episode is aimed mainly at heating engineers, the message applies to any trade business with seasonal busy periods. Wayne and Andy discuss how tradesmen can use the busy season properly, not just to survive, but to build stronger systems, capture more customers, collect more reviews, improve communication and prepare the business for quieter months. Inside this episode, we cover: Why September marks the start of silly season for heating engineers Why fast quoting matters when things get busy How missed phone calls hand work to your competitors Why customer communication should not be the first thing you cut How AI call answering can help as a backup Why admin support is still the long-term solution How to capture boiler service work during winter Why reviews matter more during high-volume periods How service plans can help carry you through summer Why winter cash should be used to build better systems How to avoid burning out during the busiest months Why your busy season should help build a business, not just create chaos This episode is perfect for heating engineers, plumbers, gas engineers and trade business owners who are heading into their busiest period and want to avoid the usual winter overwhelm. If you normally spend silly season missing calls, quoting late at night, rushing between jobs, letting standards slip and hoping the money carries you through summer, this episode will challenge how you think. The goal is not just to be busy. The goal is to use the busy season to create more reviews, more recurring work, better systems, stronger customer relationships and a business that does not fall apart every winter. Silly season will expose the weaknesses in your business. Missed calls, slow quotes, poor communication, no review system, no service reminders and no plan for summer will all cost you money. Use the busy months wisely. Capture the work, build the systems, protect your headspace and create something that lasts beyond winter. Key Takeaway Silly season will expose the weaknesses in your business. Missed calls, slow quotes, poor communication, no review system, no service reminders and no plan for summer will all cost you money. Use the busy months wisely. Capture the work, build the systems, protect your headspace and create something that lasts beyond winter.

  3. Sep 2

    #43 Paid Ads For Trades: Why More Leads Won’t Fix A Broken Business

    In this episode of the Off The Tools Podcast, Wayne Bettess and Andy Jones are joined by Mark Clifford, founder of Online Digital, a paid ads and digital marketing agency specialising in Facebook Ads, Google Ads, TikTok, email marketing, AI and automation. This episode tackles one of the biggest mistakes UK tradesmen make when they want to grow: thinking more leads will fix everything. Wayne, Andy and Mark break down why paid ads can be powerful for plumbers, heating engineers, electricians, builders, gas engineers and trade business owners — but only when the business has the right foundations in place first. If you cannot answer the phone, follow up quickly, understand your numbers, manage enquiries properly or convert leads into paying customers, then spending money on Google Ads or Facebook Ads will only expose the cracks in your business faster. Inside this episode, we cover: Why paid ads are not a magic fix for trade businessesWhat tradesmen need in place before running Google Ads or Facebook AdsWhy answering the phone quickly matters more than everThe danger of paying for leads you cannot handleWhy speed to lead is crucial in emergency trade workHow cost per acquisition affects profitWhy you must know your numbers before working with an ad agencyHow to spot whether an agency understands your businessWhy more leads can create more chaos without admin and systemsWhy hiring, delegation and follow-up are key to scalingThe difference between buying leads and building a real businessWhy marketing, software and admin should be seen as investments, not costsThis episode is perfect for UK tradesmen who are thinking about running paid ads, have been burned by an agency before, or feel like they need more leads but are not sure where to start. Mark also shares practical advice on what a good ad agency should be asking before they take your money — including whether you can actually handle the enquiry volume and whether you understand the type of customer who buys from your business. If you are a plumber, heating engineer, electrician, gas engineer, builder or trades business owner looking to grow, this episode will help you understand why marketing only works properly when your back-end systems, follow-up and numbers are in place. More leads will not fix a broken business. If you cannot answer quickly, follow up properly, quote fast, know your numbers and convert enquiries, paid ads will just burn cash. Build the foundations first — then marketing can become a revenue driver, not just another cost. 💥 Key Takeaway More leads will not fix a broken business. If you cannot answer quickly, follow up properly, quote fast, know your numbers and convert enquiries, paid ads will just burn cash. Build the foundations first — then marketing can become a revenue driver, not just another cost.

  4. Aug 26

    #42 The Hidden Costs Killing Your Trade Business Profit: Part 2

    The Hidden Costs Killing Your Trade Business Profit: Part 2 In this episode of the Off The Tools Podcast, Wayne Bettess and Andy Jones continue part two of their deep dive into the hidden costs that are quietly destroying profit in UK trade businesses. After covering the first ten hidden profit leaks in part one, Wayne and Andy move into the next set of problems that hold tradesmen back — from staff turnover and poor time management to weak systems, customer churn, bad purchasing decisions, equipment downtime and the wrong mindset. Most plumbers, heating engineers, electricians, gas engineers, builders and trades business owners do not lose profit from one massive mistake. They lose it through lots of small leaks that build up over time. Poor hiring. Not knowing the numbers. Quoting badly. Managing time poorly. Selling on price instead of value. Avoiding training. Having no systems. Losing existing customers. Buying badly. Letting vans and equipment break down. Thinking like a tradesman instead of a business owner. Inside this episode, we cover: Why staff turnover costs trade businesses so much money How poor hiring and weak onboarding damage growth Why knowing your numbers is non-negotiable How Making Tax Digital could force better money management Why poor time management kills profit Why selling on price instead of value is a race to the bottom The importance of business training and mentorship Why no systems means lost customers and lost income How customer churn quietly drains your business Why poor purchasing and bad stock control reduce margins How van and equipment downtime can wipe out profit Why mindset is one of the biggest hidden costs in business This episode is perfect for UK tradesmen who are busy, working hard and bringing money in — but still feel like they are not keeping enough of it. If you want more time, freedom and profit, you need to stop ignoring the hidden leaks in your business and start running it like a proper business owner. Find out more about Off The Tools Alliance:https://offthetools.co.uk Book a free discovery call:https://offthetools.co.uk/discovery-call Listen to more Off The Tools Podcast episodes:https://offthetools.co.uk/podcast Explore QuoteLion:https://quotelion.co.uk A trade business does not usually fail from one big hit. It fails from death by a thousand cuts. Small leaks in time, pricing, systems, stock, staff, customers and mindset slowly drain the profit until the owner is working harder than ever with less to show for it. Find the leaks. Fix the systems. Know your numbers. Think like a business owner. SEO-Friendly Podcast Description🔗 Useful Links💥 Key Takeaway

  5. Aug 19

    #41 The Hidden Costs Killing Your Trade Business Profit: Part 1

    The Hidden Costs Killing Your Trade Business Profit: Part 1 In this episode of the Off The Tools Podcast, Wayne Bettess and Andy Jones break down the hidden costs that are quietly destroying profit in UK trade businesses. Most plumbers, heating engineers, electricians, gas engineers, builders and trades business owners know their obvious costs — materials, fuel, wages, insurance and tools. But the real damage often comes from the hidden costs that get ignored every day. Missed phone calls. Slow quotes. Callbacks. Poor scheduling. Weak communication. Underpricing. No upselling. Bad debt. Poor van stock management. And the biggest one of all — the business owner becoming the bottleneck. Wayne and Andy go through the first part of their list of hidden profit leaks and explain how these small problems compound into lost jobs, wasted hours, poor cash flow, stressed customers and a business that feels busy but still does not make enough money. Inside this episode, we cover: Why missed calls are costing tradesmen real money Why customers will not wait around anymore How slow quotes lose jobs in 2026 Why callbacks are often a systems or training problem How poor scheduling wastes time, fuel and diary space Why underpricing destroys profit Why you must add margin to materials The hidden cost of poor van stock control Why communication is now a major part of customer value How upselling can help customers and increase profit Why bad debt should not be tolerated How the owner becomes the bottleneck in a growing trade business This episode is perfect for UK tradesmen who feel busy but still do not see enough profit at the end of the month. If you are working hard, winning jobs and staying busy but still wondering where the money is going, this episode will help you spot the hidden leaks in your business. Find out more about Off The Tools Alliance:https://offthetools.co.uk Book a free discovery call:https://offthetools.co.uk/discovery-call Explore QuoteLion:https://quotelion.co.uk Profit is not only lost on big mistakes. It is often lost through small daily leaks that go unnoticed. If you want more time, freedom and profit, you need to find the hidden costs, fix the systems, and stop letting your trade business quietly rinse your money. SEO-Friendly Podcast Description🔗 Useful Links💥 Key Takeaway

  6. Aug 12

    #40 Why Great Engineers Can Make Bad Business Owners

    Why Great Engineers Can Make Bad Business Owners In this episode of the Off The Tools Podcast, Wayne Bettess and Andy Jones explore a hard truth in the trades: Being a brilliant engineer does not automatically make you a brilliant business owner. Many plumbers, heating engineers, electricians, gas engineers and tradesmen spend years improving their technical skills, learning new systems, buying better tools and becoming excellent on the job. But the skills that make you great on the tools are not always the same skills needed to build a profitable, scalable and sustainable trade business. Wayne and Andy discuss why technical ability can sometimes become an anchor, holding business owners back from hiring, delegating, systemising, marketing properly and stepping into the role of business owner. This episode covers: Why being the best engineer is not enoughThe difference between tradesman thinking and business owner thinkingWhy technical skill can sometimes hold you backWhy customers value more than just perfect pipeworkWhy great tradesmen often struggle to delegateHow being able to “just jump in the van” stops proper problem-solvingWhy business skills, systems and leadership matter more as you growThe danger of always being the technical person in your businessWhy hiring people with different skills can help you scaleWhy becoming a better business owner may mean stepping away from being the best engineerIf you are a UK tradesman who takes pride in doing top-quality work but still feels stuck, overwhelmed or tied to the tools, this episode will challenge the way you think about growth. Because if you want to build a proper trade business, you cannot only focus on being better at the trade. You have to become better at business. Find out more about Off The Tools Alliance: https://offthetools.co.uk Book a free discovery call: https://offthetools.co.uk/discovery-call Listen to more Off The Tools Podcast episodes: https://offthetools.co.uk/podcast The best tradesman does not always build the best business. If you want more time, freedom and profit, you need to stop only thinking like an engineer and start thinking like a business owner.

  7. Aug 5

    #39 Is Andy Burnham Right - Why Trades Could Beat a Degrees

    Are Apprenticeships Finally Getting The Respect They Deserve? Why Trades Could Beat Degrees In this episode of the Off The Tools Podcast, Wayne Bettess and Andy Jones dive into a big conversation around apprenticeships, university, trade careers and the future of work. For years, young people have been pushed towards university as the “better” option, while apprenticeships and hands-on trades have often been looked down on. But is that finally changing? Wayne and Andy discuss why becoming a plumber, heating engineer, electrician, gas engineer or skilled tradesman can now offer more opportunity, flexibility and earning potential than many traditional degree-based careers. They also explore how AI is changing the job market, why hands-on trades are likely to become even more valuable, and why real-world skills, confidence, problem-solving and life experience matter just as much as academic qualifications. Inside this episode, we cover: Why apprenticeships should be valued alongside degrees The earning potential of qualified tradesmen Why university is no longer the obvious “safe” route How AI could impact office-based and degree-based careers Why hands-on trades are harder to replace Why young people need more real-world experience The difference between classroom learning and learning on the job Why tradesmen build confidence, resilience and problem-solving skills Why the trade industry needs to be promoted properly to the next generation What parents should consider when advising their children on careers This episode is perfect for UK tradesmen, parents, apprentices, young people, employers and anyone interested in the future of apprenticeships, trade careers and vocational training. If you’ve ever wondered whether university is still worth it, whether your child should consider a trade, or whether apprenticeships deserve more respect, this episode will challenge the old way of thinking. Find out more about Off The Tools Alliance:https://offthetools.co.uk Book a free discovery call:https://offthetools.co.uk/discovery-call Listen to more Off The Tools Podcast episodes:https://offthetools.co.uk/podcast University is not the only route to success. For many young people, an apprenticeship could offer better earning potential, stronger life skills, less debt, more flexibility and a safer future in a world being reshaped by AI. The trades do not need to be seen as the backup plan anymore. They could be one of the smartest paths available. SEO-Friendly Podcast Description🔗 Useful Links💥 Key Takeaway

  8. Jul 29

    #38 Tradesmen Using AI Will Win: How AI, Automation & Software Are Changing The Trade Industry

    In this episode of the Off The Tools Podcast, Wayne Bettess and Andy Jones dive into one of the biggest shifts happening in the UK trades industry: Tradesmen using AI are going to win. AI is not here to replace plumbers, heating engineers, electricians, bathroom fitters or gas engineers on the tools. Robots are not turning up tomorrow to fit boilers, rewire houses or install bathrooms. But AI is already changing everything that happens around the job. Wayne and Andy discuss how AI, automation, CRM systems, job management software and smart workflows are helping modern trade businesses improve customer service, reduce admin, follow up faster, send better quotes, manage reminders, collect reviews, trigger upsells and create a smoother customer journey. They also explain why AI is not a magic button. It still needs the right business foundations, systems, admin support and human oversight to work properly. Used badly, AI can damage the customer experience. Used properly, it can help a trades business look more professional, respond faster and compete at a much higher level. Inside this episode, we cover: Why tradesmen using AI will have a huge advantage Why AI will not replace the actual trade work on site How AI supports admin, customer service and follow-up Why customers now expect Amazon/Uber-style communication The danger of relying too heavily on AI without systems Why AI call answering still needs careful use How automation can support office staff, not replace them How ServiceM8, SalesLion, QuoteLion and Review Lion can work together How AI can trigger quotes, emails, texts and upsell journeys Why reviews, reminders and customer experience matter more than ever Why software should be seen as an investment, not a cost This episode is perfect for UK plumbers, heating engineers, gas engineers, electricians and trade business owners who want to future-proof their business, improve customer experience and use AI properly without losing the personal touch. If you are still relying on paper, manual follow-up, missed calls, late quotes and old-school systems, this episode will challenge how you think about the future of your trade business. Find out more about Off The Tools Alliance:https://offthetools.co.uk Book a free discovery call:https://offthetools.co.uk/discovery-call Explore QuoteLion:https://quotelion.co.uk Explore Review Lion:https://reviewlion.co.uk AI is not replacing tradesmen. But tradesmen who use AI, automation and modern software properly will beat the ones who refuse to adapt. The future of the trades will not just be won by the best engineer on the tools. It will be won by the business that communicates better, follows up faster, quotes professionally, collects reviews, automates the boring stuff and still keeps the human touch.

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Welcome to the Off The Tools Podcast, where two of the UK's best trade business coaches, Wayne Bettess & Andrew Jones, deliver tons of free value week in week out to help trade business owners level up their business and more importantly themselves. Wayne Bettess & Andrew Jones are passionate entrepreneurs & trade business owners themselves who are committed to personal and professional development. on this channel, Wayne & Andy share their wisdom on mindset, self-development, and offer glimpses into how to create a life that is one of choice and freedom.

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