Interviews with innovative educators, self-directed young people, and others who think differently about learning, teaching, and schooling. Hosted by Blake Boles (blakeboles.com), author of "Why Are You Still Sending Your Kids to School?" and founder of Unschool Adventures.
Liam Nilsen on Reading
Liam Nilsen (https://liam.media) is a designer and educator based in Åårhus, Denmark. He’s a former member of the LEGO Idea Studio, the founder of an Agile Learning Center, and a life-long unschooler who didn’t start reading until age 9 — at which point he fell in love with the written word.
Liam and I discuss our lives as readers, including the books that have changed our lives, how we discover new things to read, books vs. articles vs. newspapers vs. social media, old favorites that now embarrass us, writing inside books, and keeping books vs. giving them away. We also discuss the virtues of higher education and self-directed learning programs that promote reading (or not).
Grace Llewellyn on The Teenage Liberation Handbook, 3rd Edition
Grace Llewellyn is the author of The Teenage Liberation Handbook, the founder of Not Back to School Camp, a one-time middle school English teacher, and a luminary in the unschooling movement.
In this episode we discuss the third (and final) edition of The Teenage Liberation Handbook, released in late 2021. Grace talks about writing the original book in 1991, how it became an underground classic, how her views on education (and her relationship to her 26-year-old voice) evolved over three decades, and how the book was updated for the 21st century.
I had the pleasure and honor of serving as Grace’s editor for this project, and we also discuss our differing visions for the re-write. (Spoiler alert: hers won!)
Find a copy of The Teenage Liberation Handbook wherever books are sold or by requesting one from your local library (make sure to ask for the third edition).
Grace is also the author of Guerrilla Learning: How to Give Your Kids a Real Education With or Without School (2001, with Amy Silver), Real Lives: Eleven Teenagers Who Don't Go to School Tell Their Own Stories (2005), and Freedom Challenge: African American Homeschoolers (1996).
Takeru Nagayoshi on Walking Away from "Teacher of the Year"
Takeru “TK” Nagayoshi was an AP English and Research teacher for seven years. In 2020 he was named Massachusetts Teacher of the Year—yet after winning the award, he decided to leave the classroom in 2021.
We discuss Takeru’s early school experiences in Japan and New Jersey, how he become an educator through Teach For America, the daily realities of teaching in a “turnaround school,” the amazing AP classes he offered, the Teacher of the Year nomination, pandemic burnout, and the decision to leave his teaching position.
We also speak more broadly about the purpose of education, schooling’s connection to societal inequities, why most reform movements don’t speak to TK, how he aligns (and doesn’t) with John Taylor Gatto’s critiques, how Generation Z is disillusioned by adult’s failure to solve collective action problems, and what kind of changes it would take to bring him back to the classroom.
Takeru now works at Panorama Education (panoramaed.com) where he leads professional learning events that reach an audience of over 10,000. An education commentator and facilitator, he also leads workshops on education policy, social-emotional learning, DEI, and curriculum at the high school level.
Find TK on Twitter (@tk_nagayoshi) and learn more with the following links:
Jack Schott on Why Summer Camps Matter
Shortly after college, Jack Schott hit the road for two years to visit over 200 summer camps across the United States. He then co-founded a children’s sleepaway camp in upstate New York, Camp Stomping Ground (campstompingground.org), designed to inspire “radical empathy.” After co-directing Stomping Ground for many years (with Laura Kriegel) and consulting for other camps, Jack possesses a wealth of knowledge about the power and possibility of sleepaway camps. We discuss the unique magic that camps create, what kind of camps exist in the United States, how they promote self-directed learning (or don’t), accessibility and affordability, the vital role that camp counselors play in a young person’s life, and Jack’s personal favorites.
Jack is also co-founder of The Summer Camp Society (thesummercampsociety.com), which offers training and consulting for camp leaders.
To sign up for Not Back to School Camp, visit nbtsc.org. (Vermont campers: Enroll by April 30th!)
Recorded on April 17, 2022, on the Camino de Santiago in Spain.
Nate Singer on Questioning Education at Berkeley and Learning through Entrepreneurship
Nate Singer is the Managing Director of Mission Holdings, a father of two, and the guy who first got me interested in alternative education. We discuss his early struggles at boarding school, getting rejected to UC Berkeley (but successfully appealing the decision), working hard as a math major, second-guessing conventional teaching methods, creating a class about educational television (where he and I met), John Taylor Gatto, and encouraging Berkeley students to question mainstream pedagogy.
After college Nate moved into the world of finance in a quest for broader impact and understanding the forces underpinning the school system. He talks about how he applied the self-directed learning ethos to investing, the importance of reaching out to strangers, why education is about “learning how to form and achieve a vision,” the irreplaceable value of entrepreneurial experiments, why to start a literal lemonade stand, and the challenges of raising kids in the San Francisco Bay Area.
Nate's LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/nate-singer-0078952/
Recorded on Nov 22, 2021, in Lisbon, Portugal.
Michelle Bruce on Boatschooling
Michelle Bruce is a mother of 4 who (along with her husband John) has been “boatschooling” since 2013. We discuss the evolution of her eclectic homeschooling approach, the family’s slow travel philosophy, the boat’s life-support systems and operating expenses, her kids’ “rollercoaster” social life, her impressions of the worldschooling community, what happened during the pandemic, and the judgment she received from other parents for raising her family at sea.
Recorded on the boat in Sant Carles de la Rápita, Spain, Oct 31, 2021.
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