Ohio Counseling Conversations

Ohio Counseling Association

The official Ohio Counseling Association podcast. Our mission is to host experts from our membership, leadership, and throughout the counseling field to bring listeners relevant conversations around what it means to be a counselor in Ohio. In addition, this podcast will provide a platform for Ohio Counseling Association divisions, chapters, and committees to share information and updates. Made for counselors by counselors, we hope to highlight important conversations in the profession that will inform our work as we continue to grow as professionals and as people. Thank you for tuning in! Views, beliefs, or references mentioned in episodes do not constitute an endorsement or recommendation by the Ohio Counseling Association. The views expressed by guests are their own and their appearance on the program does not imply an endorsement of them or any entity they represent. Views and opinions expressed by guests do not necessarily reflect the view of the Ohio Counseling Association or any of its officials.

  1. 5D AGO

    Conversation 38 - From High Control to Healing: Navigating Cultic Trauma

    Send a text Certainty can feel like safety, especially when life hurts. Our conversation with Laura Dunson Caputo, an assistant professor and trauma counselor, and Alexis Gilan, a newly licensed clinician whose research centers on cultic dynamics, digs into how high-control groups trade belonging for obedience and why that bargain is so hard to recognize from the inside. Rather than chasing sensational headlines, we map the real mechanics: centralized, unquestionable authority, conditional acceptance, and morality framed in stark binaries that erode agency and redefine identity from the outside in. We walk through the subtle ways this trauma shows up after someone leaves. Hierarchies can feel comfortingly familiar, fawn responses masquerade as “being good,” and choices feel threatening instead of freeing. We talk about the nonlinearity of healing—waves of clarity and doubt—and why quick fixes and premature forgiveness are just another form of pressure. For clinicians, we unpack blind spots from religious socialization to cultural normalization, plus the risk of turning therapy into a new control system. Practical steps include explicit consent and transparency, curiosity-driven questions, and motivational interviewing skills that avoid rescuing and return power to the client. You’ll also hear concrete signs to watch for—needing permission to attend sessions, access restrictions, obedience language, moral rigidity, and diffuse trauma without a single precipitating event—along with the growing role of social media, Discord, and YouTube in modern recruitment. We highlight creative modalities like art therapy and the therapeutic relationship as a safe lab where clients practice saying no, disagreeing, and staying in connection. Beyond the therapy room, we challenge hyper‑individualism and make the case for community care that offers belonging without coercion. If this conversation resonates, subscribe, share it with a colleague, and leave a review to help more listeners find thoughtful guidance on cultic trauma, ethical care, and rebuilding agency. OCA Link Tree: https://linktr.ee/ohiocounseling Connect with Us Stay in touch and join the conversation: Instagram: @OhioCounselingFacebook: facebook.com/ohiocounselingLinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/ohio-counseling-association-b78256165/**** If you’re a counselor in Ohio and would like to get involved as part of production or as a guest, or know someone who might be interested, please email us at ohiocounselingconversations@gmail.com! **** Created by the OCA's Media, Public Relations, and Membership (MPRM) Committee & its Podcast Subcommittee ·Hosted by Victoria Frazier ·Pre-Production & Coordination by Marisa Cargill & Victoria Frazier ·Editing by Marisa Cargill ·Original music selections by Elijah Satoru Wood

    53 min
  2. JAN 27

    Couch to Capitol: January 2026 Legislative Updates

    Send us a text We share major wins and warnings for Ohio counselors: streamlined licensure, a new path to cross-state practice, civil rights amendments with clinical stakes, a brief but chilling federal funding scare, and a push to document insurer barriers that block care. We close with a reminder to seek support, protect your capacity, and stay engaged. • new single-exam pathway from LPC to LPCC and required supervision documentation • counseling compact launch and steps to apply for privileges in Arizona and Minnesota • equal rights and marriage amendments with mental health implications • federal grant termination letters and fast reversal after bipartisan pressure • how to submit insurer delay and denial examples to support provider-friendly bills • self-care, supervision, and peer support as professional necessities Subscribe, share with a colleague, and send us your questions or examples. Your voice drives access, equity, and the future of counseling in Ohio. Resources Mentioned on the Episode: https://cswmft.ohio.gov/about-the-board/news-and-events/news/counseling_licensure_exam_changehttps://www.counseling.org/publications/media-center/article/2026/01/05/ohio-becomes-the-3rd-state-to-grant-counseling-compact-privileges?utm_source=informz&utm_medium=email&utm_campaign=Newsletter_TLP_Jan15_2026&_zs=Hvx8D1&_zl=PKHx7http://www.ohioequalrights.orgInsurance Advocacy Survey / Resources: Take the survey: https://lnkd.in/eAK5hN3EReview common insurance abuses before starting: https://lnkd.in/eaZWYxxhTip: Please gather any relevant documentation or letters before beginning the survey. Even one documented example can make a difference for our lobbyists.Stay in touch and join the conversation: Instagram: @OhioCounselingFacebook: facebook.com/ohiocounselingLinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/ohio-counseling-association-b78256165/Created by the OCA's Media, Public Relations, and Membership (MPRM) Committee & its Podcast Subcommittee ·Hosted by Victoria Frazier ·Pre-Production & Coordination by Marisa Cargill, Victoria Frazier, Mariah Payne, and Chase Morgan-Swaney ·Editing by Marisa Cargill

    12 min
  3. Let's Unpack That #7: Metaphorically Speaking

    JAN 13

    Let's Unpack That #7: Metaphorically Speaking

    Send us a text We share the metaphors that help clients grasp complex ideas fast, from skill trees and storm shelters to gumballs and garden care. We focus on choosing images that fit culture, age, and context so insights translate into action. • coping as skill trees and gym habits • grief as a ball in a box with changing hits • safety and boundaries with weather and field conditions • attachment styles with gumballs and trades • relationships as the ultimate group project • dropping the backpack of bricks and updating toolboxes • avoidance as a messy room that still needs cleaning • recovery lessons from broken bones and rest • self-care as watering plants and choosing the right fence • picking metaphors that match client interests and backgrounds If it sparked something for you, share it with a colleague or drop us a line. We’d love to keep the conversation going. What do you think? Send us your questions or topics you'd like us to unpack! OCA Link Tree: https://linktr.ee/ohiocounseling Connect with Us Stay in touch and join the conversation: Instagram: @OhioCounselingFacebook: facebook.com/ohiocounselingLinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/ohio-counseling-association-b78256165/**** If you’re a counselor in Ohio and would like to get involved as part of production or as a guest, or know someone who might be interested, please email us at ohiocounselingconversations@gmail.com! **** Created by the OCA's Media, Public Relations, and Membership (MPRM) Committee & its Podcast Subcommittee ·Hosted by Marisa Cargill & Victoria Frazier ·Pre-Production & Coordination by Marisa Cargill and Victoria Frazier ·Editing by Marisa Cargill ·Original music selections by Elijah Satoru Wood

    28 min
  4. Couch to Capitol: December Legislative Updates & Year-End Recap

    12/23/2025

    Couch to Capitol: December Legislative Updates & Year-End Recap

    Send us a text Laws and budgets rewired the counseling landscape this year, and the ripple effects reached every waiting room in Ohio. We unpack what changed, what stalled, and where small advocacy moves can still flip outcomes—especially around parity, youth privacy, LGBTQ protections, and the counseling workforce pipeline. We start with the three forces that kept shaping care: access as infrastructure, higher education as the pipeline, and culture-war policy as clinical reality. From the federal pause on enforcing the MHPAEA Final Rule to Ohio bills that would narrow minors’ confidential access, we connect the dots between committee rooms and client sessions. You’ll hear clear updates on House Bills 172, 162, 390, 415, 324, and 249; the status of the Counseling Compact and why implementation timing matters; and how budget decisions affected libraries, shelters serving trans and non-binary youth, and coverage for gender-affirming care. We also chart the impact of Medicaid proposals, SNAP stability, and payment reforms that determine whether practices can keep doors open. We dig into telehealth flexibilities during the federal shutdown, the end of specialized 988 support for LGBTQ youth, and why misinformation around school screenings and reproductive health fuels shame and avoidance. On the horizon: proposed federal loan caps for non-doctoral graduate programs set to reshape who can afford a CACREP-aligned counseling degree and who gets left on a waitlist. Throughout, we translate policy into practice—what it means for denials, documentation, caseloads, and the trust needed to do effective therapy. Walk away with a focused watchlist for 2026: parity enforcement, insurer practices, telehealth stability, youth confidentiality, affirming care protections, Medicaid policy, and student loan rules. Subscribe, share with a colleague who needs the quick policy download, and leave a review telling us the top policy you want us to track next. Resources: https://www.counseling.org/advocacy/take-actionhttps://ohiocounseling.org/legislative-advocacyhttps://www.legislature.ohio.gov/legislation/status-reportsOCA Link Tree: https://linktr.ee/ohiocounseling Stay in touch and join the conversation: Instagram: @OhioCounselingFacebook: facebook.com/ohiocounselingLinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/ohio-counseling-association-b78256165/Created by the OCA's Media, Public Relations, and Membership (MPRM) Committee & its Podcast Subcommittee ·Hosted by Dr. Chase Morgan-Swaney ·Pre-Production & Coordination by Marisa Cargill, Victoria Frazier, Mariah Payne, and Chase Morgan-Swaney ·Editing by Marisa Cargill

    14 min
  5. Let's Unpack That #6: Unpack or Put it Back - Rules to Bend, Break, or Follow

    12/17/2025

    Let's Unpack That #6: Unpack or Put it Back - Rules to Bend, Break, or Follow

    Send us a text We play Unpack or Put It Back to test “therapy rules” against context, ethics and real human needs. From snacks and coffee tables to hugs, swearing and self disclosure, we explain how intention and relationship guide what helps and what harms. • modeling self care with snacks and breaks  • room design signals safety and collaboration  • measured praise that scaffolds internal validation  • nuanced boundaries around hugs and comfort  • swearing as authentic language, not aggression  • thoughtful self disclosure to reduce shame  • accepting nominal gifts without role confusion  • authentic presence over blank slate posturing  • purposeful note taking and client preferences  • relatable dress to soften power dynamics  • movement sessions with informed consent  • clear CTA to keep the conversation going Feel free to drop us a line in the show notes or reach out to us on social media  If it sparks something for you, share it with a colleague or drop us a line. We’d love to keep the conversation going. What do you think? Send us your questions or topics you'd like us to unpack! OCA Link Tree: https://linktr.ee/ohiocounseling Connect with Us Stay in touch and join the conversation: Instagram: @OhioCounselingFacebook: facebook.com/ohiocounselingLinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/ohio-counseling-association-b78256165/**** If you’re a counselor in Ohio and would like to get involved as part of production or as a guest, or know someone who might be interested, please email us at ohiocounselingconversations@gmail.com! **** Created by the OCA's Media, Public Relations, and Membership (MPRM) Committee & its Podcast Subcommittee ·Hosted by Marisa Cargill & Victoria Frazier ·Pre-Production & Coordination by Marisa Cargill and Victoria Frazier ·Editing by Leah Wood & Marisa Cargill ·Original music selections by Elijah Satoru Wood

    41 min
  6. 12/09/2025

    Conversation 37 - Sustaining Counselors Through Shortages and Strain

    Send us a text Feeling the squeeze of staffing shortages, rising acuity, and endless admin while trying to hold real space for clients? We sat down with Dr. Alicia Hall—counselor, supervisor, and advocate—to talk about a path forward that doesn’t rely on grit alone. The conversation centers on vitality, a grounded sense of aliveness that fuels resilience, powers meaning making, and opens the door to vicarious transformation. Rather than ignoring vicarious trauma or glorifying burnout, we map the signals, name the systems that intensify it, and explore concrete ways to reconnect with purpose. We trace Alicia’s 15-year journey in trauma work and unpack how counselors can move from exhaustion to transformation by aligning with core values, building true community, and right-sizing expectations. You’ll hear pragmatic strategies—tightening documentation without writing novels, adjusting caseloads, seeking trauma-informed supervision, and creating peer consult circles that normalize human reactions. We also highlight bright spots across Ohio: professionals and clients alike turning advocacy into action, pushing back on harmful policy, and modeling the kind of collective care that keeps counselors in the field. For new professionals navigating their first heavy stories and for seasoned clinicians questioning whether to stay, this is a candid, hopeful guide. We talk about the subtle ways hypervigilance shows up, the joy of witnessing client wins, and how advocacy itself can be a form of meaning making. If you’ve wondered how to keep showing up with integrity and energy, you’ll find tools, language, and community touchpoints to help you sustain the work you’re called to do. If this conversation resonates, subscribe, share it with a colleague, and leave a review to help more Ohio counselors find it. Then tell us: what’s one practice that strengthens your vitality this week? OCA Link Tree: https://linktr.ee/ohiocounseling Connect with Us Stay in touch and join the conversation: Instagram: @OhioCounselingFacebook: facebook.com/ohiocounselingLinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/ohio-counseling-association-b78256165/**** If you’re a counselor in Ohio and would like to get involved as part of production or as a guest, or know someone who might be interested, please email us at ohiocounselingconversations@gmail.com! **** Created by the OCA's Media, Public Relations, and Membership (MPRM) Committee & its Podcast Subcommittee ·Hosted by Marisa Cargill ·Pre-Production & Coordination by Marisa Cargill ·Editing by Leah Wood & Marisa Cargill ·Original music selections by Elijah Satoru Wood

    57 min
  7. Couch to Capitol: November Legislative Updates

    11/25/2025

    Couch to Capitol: November Legislative Updates

    Send us a text Policy isn’t background noise—it’s showing up in our sessions as missed appointments, longer waitlists, and clients afraid to speak. We take you inside the real-world consequences of Ohio’s latest bills and federal shifts, translating headlines into the clinical realities counselors and clients face every day. We start with the federal shutdown’s lingering impact on Medicaid processing, VA mental health services, and grant-funded programs. Then we break down HB 162, the My Child My Chart Act, and why expanded parental access to minors’ records can chill disclosures, complicate safety planning, and reduce engagement among teens—especially LGBTQ youth. We examine HB 324’s restrictions on mifepristone and related medications, connecting the dots between reproductive care limits, grief and trauma responses, and eroding trust in healthcare, with disproportionate effects on rural communities, low-income families, people of color, and LGBTQ clients. We also address the revived drag performance ban under HB 249 and its broad implications for LGBTQ safety, inclusive school and community events, and the rise of minority stress and political trauma. Finally, we spotlight a looming federal change that could reshape the counseling workforce: proposed student loan caps of $20,500 per year for non-doctoral graduate programs. With most accredited counseling programs costing more, students face high-interest private debt, delayed completion, or exit—shrinking the pipeline just as demand for mental health care climbs. Throughout, we share practical ways to respond: trauma-informed strategies that acknowledge political context, confidentiality practices that protect youth while honoring family roles, and concrete advocacy moves that connect ethics with policy. If you’re a counselor, student, or ally who cares about access, autonomy, and equity in mental health, this conversation gives you the tools and language to act. If this resonated, follow the show, share it with a colleague, and leave a review with one action you’ll take this week to advocate for mental health access in Ohio. OCA Link Tree: https://linktr.ee/ohiocounseling Stay in touch and join the conversation: Instagram: @OhioCounselingFacebook: facebook.com/ohiocounselingLinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/ohio-counseling-association-b78256165/Created by the OCA's Media, Public Relations, and Membership (MPRM) Committee & its Podcast Subcommittee ·Hosted by Marisa Cargill ·Pre-Production & Coordination by Marisa Cargill, Victoria Frazier, Mariah Payne, and Leah Wood ·Editing by Marisa Cargill

    10 min
  8. Let's Unpack That #5: Counselors Seeking Counseling

    11/18/2025

    Let's Unpack That #5: Counselors Seeking Counseling

    Send us a text Why is it so hard for counselors to take their own advice? Despite preaching self-care and healing to clients, many mental health professionals struggle to prioritize their own therapy. Victoria Frazier and Marisa Cargill dive deep into this paradox with refreshing honesty and vulnerability. The hosts challenge the harmful misconception that seeking counseling somehow diminishes a counselor's credibility or effectiveness. "Just because we know something doesn't mean we don't need support to access that motivation to change," they point out, highlighting the universal truth that knowledge alone doesn't guarantee application. Both hosts openly share their positive experiences with their own counselors, demonstrating how personal therapy enhances rather than undermines their professional capabilities. Beyond addressing common fears—like appearing "too fragile" or incompetent—the conversation explores the surprising benefits of counselors getting counseling. From gaining fresh perspectives and metaphors (Tori's counselor uses horse-riding analogies she now shares with clients) to experiencing the vulnerability of being on the other side of the couch, therapy provides invaluable insights that textbooks simply can't teach. The episode culminates in a playful yet insightful game of "Unpack or Put It Back," where the hosts evaluate common therapeutic interactions from the client-counselor perspective. Their verdict on counselors who bring vulnerability to sessions? Enthusiastically "unpack!" Their take on counselors who ask clients for professional advice during paid sessions? Definitely "put it back!" For counselors considering their own healing journey, for clients curious about their counselor's mental health practices, or for anyone interested in breaking down stigma around seeking help, this episode offers both practical wisdom and permission to embrace imperfection.  What do you think? Send us your questions or topics you'd like us to unpack! OCA Link Tree: https://linktr.ee/ohiocounseling Connect with Us Stay in touch and join the conversation: Instagram: @OhioCounselingFacebook: facebook.com/ohiocounselingLinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/ohio-counseling-association-b78256165/**** If you’re a counselor in Ohio and would like to get involved as part of production or as a guest, or know someone who might be interested, please email us at ohiocounselingconversations@gmail.com! **** Created by the OCA's Media, Public Relations, and Membership (MPRM) Committee & its Podcast Subcommittee ·Hosted by Marisa Cargill & Victoria Frazier ·Pre-Production & Coordination by Marisa Cargill and Victoria Frazier ·Editing by Leah Wood & Marisa Cargill ·Original music selections by Elijah Satoru Wood

    32 min

Ratings & Reviews

5
out of 5
9 Ratings

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The official Ohio Counseling Association podcast. Our mission is to host experts from our membership, leadership, and throughout the counseling field to bring listeners relevant conversations around what it means to be a counselor in Ohio. In addition, this podcast will provide a platform for Ohio Counseling Association divisions, chapters, and committees to share information and updates. Made for counselors by counselors, we hope to highlight important conversations in the profession that will inform our work as we continue to grow as professionals and as people. Thank you for tuning in! Views, beliefs, or references mentioned in episodes do not constitute an endorsement or recommendation by the Ohio Counseling Association. The views expressed by guests are their own and their appearance on the program does not imply an endorsement of them or any entity they represent. Views and opinions expressed by guests do not necessarily reflect the view of the Ohio Counseling Association or any of its officials.