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In this episode of Open Late Podcast, Jessica takes a moment to provide a heartfelt life update since the beginning of the year, sharing her personal journey towards motherhood. Jessica opens up about her experience of losing the ability to carry children and the emotional challenges that came with it. She then takes us through her journey of exploring surrogacy as a path to parenthood, including the process of finding the right surrogate. Jessica shares the heartwarming story of meeting their surrogate Carly and the excitement from discussing the idea of having twins to actually getting pregnant. She reflects on the emotions and preparations that accompanied this life-changing decision. As a special treat, Jessica announces exciting giveaways for the listeners, adding an extra element of celebration and connection with the Open Late community. Don't miss out!

In this episode of Open Late:


Journey towards motherhood

Why did they choose surrogacy pregnancy

Finding the right surrogate

Having Twins and baby moon

Giveaways for listeners



Episode about Motherhood with McLean McGown: https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/open-late/id1587979583?i=1000560573356

Follow our surrogacy pregnancy: @the.surrogacy.pregnancy

Connect with Jessica:
• Instagram: @journey.with.jessica | @openlatethepodcast
• Website: openlatepodcast.com | jessicaesfandiary.com
• Youtube: Open Late Podcast
• What's my relationship style? Take the Open Late Quiz
• Join our free chat community, "Open Talks" on WhatsApp
• Open Late Dictionary

Quotes from the episode:
0:51 The quality of our relationships dictate the quality of our lives. - Jessica Esfandiary
3:05  My journey through having cervical cancer and a hysterectomy ultimately resulted in me not being able to get pregnant because I don't have a uterus or for the rest of the parts. - Jessica Esfandiary
6:20  A really good friend of one of my closest friends reached out and said "I think that my friend is your surrogate.” - Jessica Esfandiary
7:03 I remember seeing her name on my phone and I just knew what it was about.. Like in that moment I was like “Oh my God” there's nothing else this could be about. - Jessica Esfandiary
8:28  Recognition and confirmation that this was the person that was meant to carry our babies into the world was such a pure feeling. - Jessica Esfandiary
13: 24 The Open Late studio we sit in right now will become our nursery. - Jessica Esfandiary
15:27 One of the other really amazing things about this journey to becoming parents is we feel like we just got invited to like “The cool kids club”. all of our other friends who are parents or becoming parents at this moment and we're all like doing this together and that feels really cool to share information and insights. - Jessica Esfandiary
16:44 No one knows what they are doing at the beginning, and it's okay to figure it out along the way. - Jessica Esfandiary


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In this special celebratory 100th episode of Open Late,  Jessica is joined by her long-time friends Ginger Banks, an adult performer and activist, and Dr. Zhana Vrangalova, an NYU Professor of Sex and Sexuality and renowned sex researcher. Together, they discuss the nature of play parties and the standards organizers should follow, emphasizing the importance of embracing mistakes as a natural part of exploration and growth. The trio shares their own diverse experiences and perspectives, shedding light on how these experiences have shaped their outlook on various subjects. They delve into evolving gender questions and examine the impact of gender on sexual experiences. Consent, safety, and trauma responses are also key topics of discussion, with an emphasis on the significance of obtaining explicit consent and creating a safe environment for all individuals involved. The hosts explore the complexities of trauma and its potential impact on responses within sexual contexts.

In this episode of Open Late:

Nature of play parties and standards for organizers

Embracing mistakes as a part of personal growth

Evolving gender questions and their impact on sexual experiences

Significance of consent, safety, and trauma responses

Time myopia and the role of transgression in sexual exploration


Connect with Ginger:
• Instagram: @thegingerbanks 

Connect with Dr.Zhana:
• Instagram: @drzhana
• Website: www.drzhana.com
• Email: zhana@drzhana.com 
• Open Smarter Course

Connect with Jessica:
• Instagram: @journey.with.jessica | @openlatethepodcast
• Website: openlatepodcast.com | jessicaesfandiary.com
• Youtube: Open Late Podcast
• What's my relationship style? Take the Open Late Quiz
• Join our free chat community, "Open Talks" on WhatsApp
• Open Late Dictionary

Quotes from the episode:
17:30 Good and bad things happen at the club, good and bad things happen at sex clubs, good and bad things happen like all over the world and there's no such thing as a perfect space as ultimately a safe space because we're all humans flawed we're all gonna make mistakes. - Ginger Banks
20:00 I think it's really important if someone transgresses us to tell them how they hurt us and how they affected us, because I don't think there's any other way that their behavior is gonna change if we just completely remove ourselves from the situation. - Ginger Banks
39:40 Sometimes people cross boundaries because they themselves are so excited about the situation that they're in their own desire. Their own excitement is sort of overpowering their ability to read these more ambiguous signs that the person is showing in an accurate way. - Dr. Zhana Vrangalova
49:30 Personally, I think it's really important for me to be in my body. It makes it a lot safer that I don't drink because it really does put this time blindness on people it's called myopia where they actually only care about what's happening now, they don't care about the consequences. - Ginger
 
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Older episodes with
• Ginger: https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/open-late/id1587979583?i=1000546411260
• Dr. Zhana: https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/open-late/id1587979583?i=1000603261737

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In this episode, Jess connects with Emily, Dedeker, and Jase from the Multiamory podcast, who are also the co-authors of their recently released book, "Multiamory: Essential Tools for Modern Relationships." They share the inspiration behind their book and explore the journey they took to bring it to life. The hosts engage in a lively discussion about the various relationship tools and chapters featured in their book. This is not another “How To” book! Additionally, the Multiamory hosts reveal their favorite tools and explain why they find them valuable. The conversation takes a deeper dive into the realm of creating healthy communication within relationships and offer insightful advice on overcoming disagreements in relationships in a simpler way.
 
In this episode of Open Late:
 

The story behind the Multiamory book

Different tools to create safe conversation in your relationship

The significance of scheduling Radar Check-ins

Discussing also why things are going well in relationships

Finding community that understands and listens to your needs



Connect with Multiamory:
• Website: https://www.multiamory.com/
• Book: https://www.multiamory.com/book
• Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/multiamory_podcast/
• Become a Patreon/ Join the Discord : https://www.patreon.com/bePatron?c=256168
• Link to buy the Multiamory: Essential Tools for Modern Relationships book: multiamory.com/book

Connect with Jessica:
• Instagram: @journey.with.jessica | @openlatethepodcast
• Website: openlatepodcast.com | jessicaesfandiary.com
• Youtube: Open Late Podcast
• What's my relationship style? Take the Open Late Quiz
• Join our free chat community, "Open Talks" on WhatsApp
• Open Late Dictionary
 
Quotes from the episode:
9:05  It's inevitable that whether you're in a triad, trying to get a threesome, solo poly, or maybe you want to find your monogamous married soulmate, or whatever it is, you're going to run into some communication problems. So we wrote a book and mapped out some tools you can use. Dedeker 
12:48 The point is to not just jump to what it is that you think your partner needs but rather ask. Maybe say “what are you looking for here” or for you to tell your partner “hey all that I need from you right now is this”. Emily
13:45 I don't always know what I want, especially with my partner. Jessica Esfandiary
16:50 What people struggle with the most is how to communicate about their relationship choices to the people that don't understand their relationship choices. Jessica Esfandiary
19:00 Finding a good online community is difficult. Jase
19:10 I found that it is often better to communicate in person because we tend to be less s****y to each other face-to-face than we are online. Jase
24:00 When I say “I want to have a talk” it’s often associated with “Oh that's gonna be bad. This is gonna be stressful. You have a complaint.” What I love about Radar Check-in is, that it helps to take away some of those notions because in it you also talk about the stuff that's going well, stuff that's challenging, future plans and, maybe things you want to try.. Jase
28:48 Even if you know a person extremely well, you can never fully know exactly what's going on with them. Their desires and needs for something new and exciting in the relationship, even if things are going great, is a great opportunity for a Radar Check-in. Emily


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In this episode, Jess returns to her conversation with a couple Donna and Alex, who are Jess’s listeners from Florida, creators of a blog called Swinging Through the Ages. Donna and Alex talk about how they have been navigating being swingers for decades and how they managed it without ever coming out to their children. Jess, Donna, and Alex discuss parenthood and if Florida is the most lifestyle state. They talk about their travel plans 
and why they carry upside-down pineapples on their luggage. 

In this episode of Open Late:
• Lifestyle swingers and keeping it private
• Upside-down Pineapple and meeting life-long friends
• Is Florida the most lifestyle-friendly state?
• Wearing wedding bands on the right hand
• Open-minded parenting and knowing your children

Connect with Donna and Alex:
• Website: http://swingingthroughtheages.com

Connect with Jessica:
• Instagram: @journey.with.jessica | @openlatethepodcast
• Website: openlatepodcast.com | jessicaesfandiary.com
• Youtube: Open Late Podcast
• What's my relationship style? Take the Open Late Quiz
• Join our free chat community, "Open Talks" on WhatsApp
• Open Late Dictionary
 
Quotes from the episode:
If you can talk openly about your sexuality, and you realize the baseline is somewhere deep, then it is easy to develop such a meaningful friendship. – Jessica Esfandairy
It is human nature, and we all tend to be secretive about it. – Jessica Esfandiary
We are constantly looking for swingers in the wild. The upside-down pineapple is a sign. – Alex
We had a very private swimming pool that was clothing optional. Our kids knew that we were not wearing bathing suits if they were not there. – Alex
I recommend that couples should try dating separately. – Jessica Esfandiary
We experience real happiness, seeing the other one happy. -Alex
I really like how much she enjoyed being with another guy…. And her glow-up afterwards! - Alex


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In this episode, Jess connects with Donna and Alex, a couple from Florida who stand behind a blog called Swinging Through the Ages. Donna and Alex are Open Late listeners who reacted to Jess's stories when she was looking for exciting stories about how people opened up their relationships. They walk us through the beginning of their relationship and what led them to become swingers, finding out about the Desire Resort, and the upside-down pineapple symbol! 

In this episode of Open Late:

Becoming a poly-quad without knowing

Remaining open after having kids 

Visiting a clothing-optional resort

Upside-down Pineapple and meeting life-long friends


Connect with Donna and Alex:
• Website: http://swingingthroughtheages.com

Connect with Jessica:
• Instagram: @journey.with.jessica | @openlatethepodcast
• Website: openlatepodcast.com | jessicaesfandiary.com
• Youtube: Open Late Podcast
• What's my relationship style? Take the Open Late Quiz
• Join our free chat community, "Open Talks" on WhatsApp
• Open Late Dictionary
 
Quotes from the episode:
3:03 You are never too old to get a new lifestyle. – Donna
3:36 If a couple flips our switch and there is chemistry there, age is just a number and is not an issue. – Alex 
7:03 We had a "foursome" friendship with our friends that organically developed into something else. – Donna
8:09 Over time, it moved from just sitting next to each other and holding hands to making out and having oral sex with each other's partners. - Alex
8:40 We were kinda poly-quad before we even knew the term. – Alex
11:53 The entire relationship, we were never full swap. It was always a soft swap. – Donna
13:06 Her gaydar was always off the charts. – Donna
14:49 Back in high school, If I would fantasize, it was always about girls. -Donna
16:01 Labels are interesting because sometimes they are confusing, but sometimes they can be empowering.– Jessica Esfandiary
17:37 I wouldn't say I am BI, but If a guy wants to touch or play with me, I won't jump out of bed and punch him. – Alex
23:56 You can be in the jacuzzi, and it's like a giant cocktail of naked people. – Alex
26:11 People you meet when you are naked become amazing friends. - Alex
29:16 You talk about grandkids, retirement, what you are doing here, as well as where you want to go for dinner and where you want to go to play. – Donna
30:31 If you can talk openly about your sexuality, and you realize the baseline is somewhere deep, then it is easy to develop such a meaningful friendship. – Jessica Esfandairy

Take advantage of a 30% discount on Dr. Zhana's eligible courses with code "JESSICA", applied to the first payment only for offers with multiple payments or subscriptions.
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• The Oh Club OPENLATE
• Desire Resorts 

 
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In this episode, Jess welcomes Marsha Molinari to the studio. Marsha is an LGBTQIA+ fashion icon, successful business owner and human rights activist. They talk about the need for more representation and perception of LGBTQIA+ communities. Marsha sheds light on the circumstances of her life before she moved to LA and what led her to become such a big part of HWood Hospitality and Nightlife Group. She opens up about her transition and how your close community can change your life experience. Marsha shares a bit about her dating life and what she expects from her future partner. 

In this episode of Open Late:

Representation and diverse perspectives in LGBTQIA+ communities 

Marsha’s transition to a woman

Starting a business in the heart of Hollywood

The "Butterfly effect" 

Organizations that support Trans Youth


Mentioned in the episode:

Trevor Project: https://www.thetrevorproject.org/
GLAD: https://www.glad.org/
Imagine LA: https://www.imaginela.org/

Connect with Marsha:
• Podcast: Marsha! Marsha! Marsha!
• Instagram: @marshamolinari
Connect with Jessica:
• Instagram: @journey.with.jessica | @openlatethepodcast
• Website: openlatepodcast.com | jessicaesfandiary.com
• Youtube: Open Late Podcast
• Join our free chat community, "Open Talks" on WhatsApp
• Open Late Dictionary
• Asking for a friend (AFAF) Question Form

Quotes from the episode:
4:39 If somebody plays your favorite song in the background, it immediately puts youinto a mood.- Marsha Molinari
6:01 There is so much that happens before the food gets to your table. - Marsha Molinari
12:56 I don't think that being strong takes away from your femininity. - Marsha Molinari
14:26 I specifically told Katy Perry not to tell everyone that I am gay. - Marsha Molinari
15:40 Going along discovering who you are when who you are inherently is taboo in society is challenging.  - Jessica Esfandiary
20:47 So many people are told to hide. And if there was more representation when I was young, I might think and have chosen differently. - Marsha Molinari
21:39 I never knew there was a possibility of transition. Because the only representation I saw of transgender girls were sex workers, the murderers, the crazy person. - Marsha Molinari
33:23 He said to me, If they really knew you, they would know that you were always a woman. - Marsha Molinari
43:17 "Marsha in Paris" did it first. - Marsha Molinari
48:01 If you make someone feel good, they are going to have more high-vibration interactions with the people they go to next. - Jessica Esfandiary 
49:35 I have people asking me, "What can I do for you" and I am like "Go do it for somebody else". - Marsha Molinari
56:27 If I would have had somebody to talk to, it would have changed those moments to not hurt as much. - Marsha Molinari


Take advantage of a 30% discount on Dr. Zhana's eligible courses with code "JESSICA", applied to the first payment only for offers with multiple payments or subscriptions.
• Open Smarter Course

The product I love who support this show:
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•  The Oh Club OPENLATE
•  Desire Resorts 

 
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