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Ops Cast, by MarketingOps.com, is a podcast for Marketing Operations Pros by Marketing Ops Pros. Hosted by Michael Hartmann, Mike Rizzo & Naomi Liu

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    From $500K to $22K: Rebranding, AI, and the New Rules of Growth with Michael Yehoshua

    Text us your thoughts on the episode or the show! What happens when you throw out a nearly finished $500K rebrand… and rebuild it in two months for $22K? In this episode of Ops Cast, Michael Hartmann sits down with Michael Yehoshua, CMO at WiseStamp, to discuss a decision that most marketing leaders would never make and why it worked. Michael walked into an 18-month rebrand that looked polished on the surface but was fundamentally disconnected from real customer insight. Instead of finishing it, he scrapped the entire effort and rebuilt the brand using AI in a completely different way. What followed was not just a faster rebrand, but a change in how decisions get made. From analyzing customer conversations for emotional signals to rethinking how content is structured for LLM-driven discovery. This conversation challenges many of the assumptions behind traditional marketing, SEO, and brand strategy. This is not a tools discussion. It is about how marketing and operations teams need to rethink data, signals, and decision-making in an AI-shaped environment. Topics covered include: • Why a nearly complete $500K rebrand was scrapped • How AI was used to listen to customers instead of just generating content • What analyzing tone, intent, and “aha moments” reveals beyond transcripts • How Marketing Ops teams should think about capturing new types of signals • Why optimizing for LLMs is different from optimizing for traditional search • The shift in content, backlinks, and site structure for AI-driven discovery • Why traffic can drop while conversions improve • What metrics matter when traditional SEO signals become less reliable • Why brand may become more important, not less, in an AI-first world If you are in Marketing Ops, RevOps, or growth, this episode forces a hard rethink. Not about tools, but about how decisions should be made going forward. Be sure to like, share, and subscribe to Ops Cast, and join the conversation at MarketingOps.com. Episode Brought to You By MO Pros The #1 Community for Marketing Operations Professionals MarketingOps.com is curating the GTM Ops Track at Demand & Expand (May 19-20, San Francisco) - the premier B2B marketing event featuring 600+ practitioners sharing real solutions to real problems. Use code MOPS20 for 20% off tickets, or get 35-50% off as a MarketingOps.com member. Learn more at demandandexpand.com. Support the show

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  2. ١٣ أبريل

    The AI Gold Rush Problem: Big Investment, Unclear ROI with Naomi Liu and Mike Rizzo

    Text us your thoughts on the episode or the show! Welcome to another episode of Ops Cast by MarketingOps.com, powered by The MO Pros. Host Michael Hartmann is joined by co-hosts Mike Rizzo and Naomi Liu for a candid, no-guest conversation about one of the biggest questions in operations right now, which is what are we actually getting from AI? With massive funding announcements, rapid product releases, and constant noise around AI, it is easy to assume everyone is seeing results. But when you look closer, most teams are still struggling to measure real impact beyond surface-level efficiency gains. In this episode, we discussed the gap between hype and reality, exploring why ROI is so difficult to quantify, where AI is genuinely useful today, and the expectations that users have for what the technology can actually deliver. In this episode, you will learn: 1. What OpenAI’s massive funding signals for the future of AI and operations 2. Why most teams cannot clearly measure ROI from AI initiatives 3. The difference between time savings and real revenue impact 4. Hidden costs of AI tools that make ROI harder to track 5. Why AI adoption often fails without proper change management 6. The belief gap, skill gap, and expectation gap are slowing teams down 7. How fear and uncertainty are shaping AI adoption inside organizations 8. Why the “AI gold rush” does not guarantee real business value 9. What AI agents can and cannot do without human oversight 10. Why strong operators become more valuable in an AI-driven world This episode challenges the assumption that AI automatically drives value and offers a more grounded perspective on how operators should think about adoption, measurement, and long-term impact. Episode Brought to You By MO Pros The #1 Community for Marketing Operations Professionals MarketingOps.com is curating the GTM Ops Track at Demand & Expand (May 19-20, San Francisco) - the premier B2B marketing event featuring 600+ practitioners sharing real solutions to real problems. Use code MOPS20 for 20% off tickets, or get 35-50% off as a MarketingOps.com member. Learn more at demandandexpand.com. Support the show

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    The Hidden Skill Behind Great Ops Leaders: Learning to Love Conflict with Anna Lecat

    Text us your thoughts on the episode or the show! Conflict is part of every operation's role, but most people avoid it. However, the best operators learn how to use it to their advantage. In this episode of Ops Cast, Michael Hartmann sits down with Anna Lecat, CEO and Founder of Bridging Global and author of the upcoming book Loving Conflict, to explore why conflict is not something to eliminate, but something to understand and navigate. If you work in Marketing Ops, RevOps, or any cross-functional role, you are constantly operating between teams with different priorities, incentives, and perspectives. The question from this conversation is whether you avoid it or learn how to work through it effectively. Anna brings more than 25 years of experience leading multicultural teams and working across global organizations. She shares practical ways to reframe conflict, build trust, and turn difficult conversations into productive outcomes. Topics covered include • Why conflict naturally shows up in operations roles • The concept of “loving conflict” and what it actually means in practice • How different teams operate with different “languages” and priorities • Why people feel stuck in the middle and how to shift that mindset • How to prepare for difficult conversations with stakeholders or leadership • Common mistakes that escalate conflict instead of resolving it • How strong operators and leaders handle tension differently This episode is not about frameworks or tools. It is one of the most overlooked skills in operations, the ability to solve conflict in a way that builds alignment rather than breaks it. Loving Conflict by Anna Lecat If this conversation feels relatable, Anna’s book goes deeper into the ideas discussed in this episode. This offers a practical framework for turning tension into trust, alignment, and stronger relationships across teams. Here's the link to buy the Loving Conflict: https://www.amazon.com/dp/1966629974 Be sure to like, share, and subscribe to Ops Cast, and join the conversation at MarketingOps.com. Episode Brought to You By MO Pros The #1 Community for Marketing Operations Professionals MarketingOps.com is curating the GTM Ops Track at Demand & Expand (May 19-20, San Francisco) - the premier B2B marketing event featuring 600+ practitioners sharing real solutions to real problems. Use code MOPS20 for 20% off tickets, or get 35-50% off as a MarketingOps.com member. Learn more at demandandexpand.com. Support the show

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    From Promise-Making to Promise-Keeping: Why Great Ops Starts with the Customer Journey with Julie Hamada

    Text us your thoughts on the episode or the show! What happens when an Ops leader thinks like a marketer? In this episode of Ops Cast, Michael Hartmann sits down with Julie Hamada, Chief Operating Officer at Monarch Dentistry, to explore the connection between marketing, operations, and customer experience. Julie’s path from marketing into operations shapes how she leads today. She views marketing as promise-making and operations as promise-keeping, and she focuses heavily on retention, customer psychology, and the full journey from first touch to long-term loyalty. This conversation challenges the way many organizations think about growth. It looks at why retention is often overlooked, how operational design directly impacts customer experience, and why some of the most valuable insights come from conversations rather than dashboards. Topics covered include: • The transition from marketing into operations and executive leadership • Why the gap between marketing promises and operational delivery matters • Retention vs acquisition and why most companies get the balance wrong • Designing operations around the full customer or patient journey • How understanding human behavior improves internal leadership • The limits of dashboards and why conversation-driven leadership matters • Practical ways to break down silos between marketing, ops, and frontline teams If you’re leading or working in Marketing Ops, RevOps, or business operations, this episode offers a different lens on growth. One that starts with the customer experience and works backward into systems and execution. Be sure to like, share, and subscribe to Ops Cast, and join the conversation at MarketingOps.com. Episode Brought to You By MO Pros The #1 Community for Marketing Operations Professionals MarketingOps.com is curating the GTM Ops Track at Demand & Expand (May 19-20, San Francisco) - the premier B2B marketing event featuring 600+ practitioners sharing real solutions to real problems. Use code MOPS20 for 20% off tickets, or get 35-50% off as a MarketingOps.com member. Learn more at demandandexpand.com. Support the show

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    Fix the System, Fix the Results: Mapping Marketing Ops for Real Performance with Joe Bockerstette

    Text us your thoughts on the episode or the show! Why do marketing teams keep adding approvals, processes, and controls… yet still struggle to move faster or perform better? In this episode of Ops Cast, Michael Hartmann sits down with Joe Bockerstette, Partner at Business Enterprise Mapping, to discuss what is really happening inside modern marketing organizations. Joe brings over 30 years of experience helping companies redesign how their business systems function. A former PwC partner and CPG leader, he focuses on mapping entire operational systems to reveal why teams produce the results they do and where friction actually lives. This conversation goes beyond surface-level process optimization. It explores how hidden system design drives delays, why adding more controls often makes problems worse, and how marketing teams can diagnose the root causes behind slow execution and inconsistent outcomes. Topics covered include: • What a “business system” actually means in a marketing context • Why organizations are structured to produce their current results • How approval layers and control mechanisms create bottlenecks • The difference between documenting processes and mapping systems • “Red Clouds” and how they expose operational friction and missed opportunities • Key differences between in-house teams and agency operating models • Practical ways smaller teams can start improving their systems without external help If your team feels stuck in cycles of rework, delays, or constant firefighting, this episode offers a clear framework to understand why and what to do about it. Be sure to like, share, and subscribe to Ops Cast, and join the conversation at MarketingOps.com. Episode Brought to You By MO Pros The #1 Community for Marketing Operations Professionals MarketingOps.com is curating the GTM Ops Track at Demand & Expand (May 19-20, San Francisco) - the premier B2B marketing event featuring 600+ practitioners sharing real solutions to real problems. Use code MOPS20 for 20% off tickets, or get 35-50% off as a MarketingOps.com member. Learn more at demandandexpand.com. Support the show

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    What Marketing Ops Leaders Should Know About the Changing Social Media Landscape with Stephanie Gardner

    Text us your thoughts on the episode or the show! Social media is changing fast. Platforms are becoming search engines, video continues to dominate, and AI tools are rebuilding how people discover brands and information online. In this episode of Ops Cast, Michael Hartmann speaks with Stephanie Gardner, a freelance social media and marketing strategist who works across B2B, B2C, nonprofits, and small businesses. Stephanie focuses on helping organizations build purposeful social strategies that align with real business outcomes rather than vanity metrics. The conversation explores how social platforms like Instagram and LinkedIn are evolving into discovery engines, why brands need to think in terms of searchable intent instead of hashtags and trends, and how the lines between search, social, and AI-driven discovery are rapidly disappearing. Stephanie also explains why follower counts and engagement can be misleading indicators of success, shares real examples of how smaller but more targeted audiences can drive better results, and discusses why executive visibility and employee amplification are becoming essential trust signals in B2B environments. Topics covered include:  • The shift from social media feeds to search-based discovery  • How Instagram, LinkedIn, and YouTube are evolving into search engines  • Why intent-based visibility matters more than hashtags or trends  • The difference between vanity metrics and real business impact  • How smaller, targeted audiences can outperform large follower counts  • The growing role of executive visibility on LinkedIn  • How Marketing Ops teams should think about social, search, and AI together If you work in Marketing Ops, RevOps, or digital marketing strategy, this episode offers a practical look at how discovery behavior is changing and what organizations should start preparing for now. Be sure to like, share, and subscribe to Ops Cast, and join the conversation at MarketingOps.com. Episode Brought to You By MO Pros The #1 Community for Marketing Operations Professionals MarketingOps.com is curating the GTM Ops Track at Demand & Expand (May 19-20, San Francisco) - the premier B2B marketing event featuring 600+ practitioners sharing real solutions to real problems. Use code MOPS20 for 20% off tickets, or get 35-50% off as a MarketingOps.com member. Learn more at demandandexpand.com. Support the show

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    From Marketing Ops to GTM Strategy: Breaking the Execution Ceiling with Jackson Fisher

    Text us your thoughts on the episode or the show! Many Marketing Ops professionals eventually hit a ceiling. The work is important, the systems are running, but the influence over the broader go-to-market strategy remains limited. In this episode of Ops Cast, Michael Hartmann speaks with Jackson Fisher about what it takes to move beyond execution and step into a more strategic role inside the business. Jackson recently completed ten years at the American Hospital Association, where he began in Marketing Operations and later moved into Product Development.  As an early member of the MarketingOps.com community and part of the Founding 100, Jackson shares how his operations background helped him transition into a role focused on pipeline structure, revenue performance, and product strategy. The conversation explores how operators can translate their skills into business impact by connecting marketing activity to pipeline, pricing, and financial outcomes.  Jackson also explains what it looks like to introduce pipeline discipline in organizations that lack a clear revenue structure and how Marketing Ops professionals can learn to communicate in the language of finance and revenue leadership. Topics covered include:  • Recognizing when you have hit the Marketing Ops ceiling  • Translating Marketing Ops skills into broader business impact  • Building pipeline discipline in organizations without clear revenue structures  • Connecting marketing activity to pricing, Salesforce data, and revenue outcomes  • Creating strategic impact with a lean tech stack  • Moving from order-taker to trusted GTM partner  • Preparing for leadership roles in Revenue Operations and GTM strategy If you are a Marketing Ops professional thinking about the next phase of your career, this episode offers practical insight into how operators can expand their influence beyond campaign execution. Be sure to subscribe, like, and share Ops Cast, and join the conversation at MarketingOps.com. Episode Brought to You By MO Pros The #1 Community for Marketing Operations Professionals MarketingOps.com is curating the GTM Ops Track at Demand & Expand (May 19-20, San Francisco) - the premier B2B marketing event featuring 600+ practitioners sharing real solutions to real problems. Use code MOPS20 for 20% off tickets, or get 35-50% off as a MarketingOps.com member. Learn more at demandandexpand.com. Support the show

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    The Old Playbook Is Dead: MOps in the Age of AI with Jon Miller

    Text us your thoughts on the episode or the show! The traditional B2B marketing playbook is becoming irrelevant. At the same time, AI is fundamentally transforming how buyers research, evaluate, and purchase. In this episode of Ops Cast, Michael Hartmann is joined by Naomi Liu and Mike Rizzo for a wide-ranging conversation with Jon Miller. Jon co-founded Marketo, helped define modern Marketing Operations, later co-founded Engagio, and is now the Co-Founder and CEO of a stealth AI startup focused on the future of buying behavior and revenue systems. This conversation challenges long-held assumptions about campaigns, MQLs, attribution, and the systems Marketing Ops teams have relied on for over a decade.  Jon explains why rules-based automation is not sufficient now, how AI changes what marketing platforms must do, and what it means to move from campaigns to AI-orchestrated experiences. The panel also explores buying groups, lifecycle orchestration across anonymous and known buyers, and how Marketing Ops can operationalize trust, brand, and customer experience in a world where AI filters much of what buyers see. The topics that we covered include:  • Why the traditional B2B playbook is no longer working  • How AI shifts marketing from campaigns to orchestration  • What it really takes to operationalize buying groups  • Why MQLs and last-touch attribution are losing relevance  • How Marketing Ops can build infrastructure for modern buying behavior  • The evolving role of Marketing Ops in 2026 and beyond  • Where AI is genuinely useful today versus oversold If you work in Marketing Ops, RevOps, or revenue leadership, this episode will push you to rethink the systems you are building and how artificial intelligence can transform them. Be sure to like, share, and subscribe to Ops Cast, and join the conversation at MarketingOps.com. Episode Brought to You By MO Pros The #1 Community for Marketing Operations Professionals MarketingOps.com is curating the GTM Ops Track at Demand & Expand (May 19-20, San Francisco) - the premier B2B marketing event featuring 600+ practitioners sharing real solutions to real problems. Use code MOPS20 for 20% off tickets, or get 35-50% off as a MarketingOps.com member. Learn more at demandandexpand.com. Support the show

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Ops Cast, by MarketingOps.com, is a podcast for Marketing Operations Pros by Marketing Ops Pros. Hosted by Michael Hartmann, Mike Rizzo & Naomi Liu

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