In this episode, we talk with a veteran IT leader about the career path that shaped their success and what inspired them to enter tech. We cover how they've stayed relevant through constant change—career planning, lifelong learning, and building skills that last. They share lessons from setbacks, what they'd do differently, and advice for students starting out in today's fast-moving IT world. -------------------------------------------------- Episode Transcript: Unknown Welcome to the Oracle Academy Tech Chat. This podcast provides educators and students in-depth discussions with thought leaders around computer science, cloud technologies, and software design to help students on their journey to becoming industry ready technology leaders of the future. Let's get started. Ljiljana Welcome to Oracle Academy Tech Chat, where we discuss how to stay ahead of the game in this constantly changing industry. Oracle Academy helps prepare the next generation's workforce. I'm your host, Ljiljana Krkic, Oracle Academy program manager, and in this episode, Rob Lockard, recently retired Oracle ACE director, professional Oracle DBA, Designer, Developer, Product Manager, but also a pilot, sailor, photographer, and a very good friend of mine will share secrets from his more than 40 years long successful career in IT. He will speak about how AI is changing our jobs and how to befriend it, and let it help you move forward in your career as well as about three protocols that can help you have the power to make your career and life a success. Rob, my friend, welcome! Rob Hey! Thank you for having me! Ljiljana Thanks. You've had a long and distinguished career in IT. Can you briefly share your path and what inspired you to enter this industry? Rob We'll start with what inspired me. When I was a child, my father was in the Marine Corps, and he went to school on programing the IBM 360, and he would bring home his textbook and study it. And whenever I had a chance, I would pick it up and start reading it. Now, mind you, I was like 8 years old at the time, and I didn't really gather it because, you know, we're talking about mainframes and all. But it gave me an early interest in it. And then when I went into the military myself, I got into computer science and then got out and went to the community college and then one university and then another university and then another university. And I kept going till I got my master's degree. Largely, actually, my employers paid for my education. So when I was working for Cannon, the camera manufacturer, I would take night classes at the university and they would pay for my night classes. So, you know, I always leveraged somebody else paying. Ljiljana Yes. Oh. All right. Rob Kind of how I got into it. And then, from there, it's just, you know, one pivot after another pivot after another pivot, something would go wrong, something would go right, and I would just make little adjustments along the way. Ljiljana Yeah. Great. Technology evolves quickly. What approaches have helped you consistently stay ahead of industry changes and remain relevant throughout your career? Rob Okay. Well, number one, I have always read the professional journals. Way back when I was a C programmer, I would read the C journals. Then, as I got into databases, I would read the database journals. And now with the world of the internet, as you know, the internet became more and more popular because when I started this, everything was printed on paper. You know, we didn't have this information right at our fingertips. But what I would constantly do is reading what is currently happening in the industry. And then I would actually sit down a couple times a year and write out a story, what will the industry look like in five years, ten years, 20 years? Ljiljana All right. Rob And you use the information you have to try to figure out where things are going. All right? And you are going to be wrong. I was wrong more often than not, but it always gave me a direction to shoot for, and as I got more information, I would adjust where I would focus my energies. And that's the easy explanation for it. But I'm constantly, even to this day, following what's happening in the industry and trying to figure out what is the world going to look like five years from now on in our industry? What's world going to look like ten years from now? And, you know, it's like, where do I want to put my efforts so I stay relevant? Ljiljana Yes. Rob And now, with this world of AI, it's making it more interesting. Where do you want to study? Do you want to get into AI agents? Do you want to get into AGI? What purpose? How are you going to use this AI to solve a problem? I mean, at our business, what we do is we solve problems. Okay. That is the simplest way to explain it. And when you see a problem, how do you solve it? So we can use AI. We can use AI agents. I was just recently, making an appointment, with my doctor and I didn't realize it, but I was on the phone with an AI agent who walked me through the whole process, including setting up labs. Ljiljana Right. Rob And then I'm, like, oh, well, it's come a long way. So do you want to go in to, I'm going to say the academic field, you know? Yeah. Become a university professor. Do you want to get into the industry? Where in the industry do you think you will fit? What? Where are you curious? I always have an insatiable curiosity. Okay. I do other things. Like I said, I'm a pilot. I'm a sailor. I'm a photographer. I take all of these things that also interest me. And it helps. It also helps me in my business because it helps me solve problems. Ljiljana Yeah. Great. Yes, I know what you are talking about. Rob Yeah. And, you know, you're a pilot, and when you're landing a plane, you don't just fly the plane into the ground. That's a good way to crash. That's how I've always stayed ahead. I just try to figure out where things are going to be. Go in that direction, and I'm going to be wrong. And I will just constantly make adjustments along the way. Ljiljana Yeah, that's a very important point. Thanks. And you highlighted career planning and lifelong learning. So what concrete methods do you use to set your goals and keep your skills up to date? Rob Okay. Well concrete method, what I mentioned I would write out a story five years, ten years to figure out where my life is going to be. What outcomes do I want? But then one of my concrete messages is I spend one hour every morning studying something that interests me. And it could be anything from navigation for ships, because I recently became a Coast Guard license captain, I had to go through a whole lot of learning. Ljiljana Yeah, I know Rob I just pick something I'm curious about, and I spend an hour studying it, every single morning. And it may not be intense study, where I'm cramming for an exam. It's more like I'm curious, I need to learn more. Ljiljana You feed your curiosity actually. Rob My curiosity has always driven me. Yes. Ljiljana Yeah. Rob So that is one thing that I've always done. And then after studying it, I try it. And that always works great for me. So, okay. That's how it explains it. Ljiljana Okay. Great. And can you discuss a time when you faced setbacks or challenges in your career? How did you overcome these obstacles and maintain your motivation? Rob Oh gosh. Let's see. I'm gonna go into one of my biggest setbacks in my career, that was in the mid 2000. I set up a system for the Department of Treasury and I finished. It was beautiful. It didn't require a lot of maintenance and I became extremely org. I am going to work and I'd sit there and twiddling my thumbs all day because everything was working great. And then one day, one of my colleagues came up to me saying, you know, you're pretty smart, why don't you start speaking at conferences? And I'm going, oh, yeah, right... Nobody wants to hear me speak at a conference. But I said okay, and I picked the subject that I was relatively good at, which is information security. I put together an abstract, and I go, you know something? I'm probably going to absolutely bomb this. I'm not going to do great. And I was like, but I put all my effort into it. So I'm going to go someplace where English is not their first language. So if I completely mess it up, you know... So what do I picked? Finland. And I'm thinking everyone speaks Finish and just a little bit of English. No, everyone's speaking fluent English, and I'm like, oh my God. But I did pretty good. And I was invited back to speak again. And basically what it was, was a friend gave me a mountain to climb. All right? Ljiljana Aha Rob Once I climbed that mountain and I got there going I wanted to do it again. So basically it gave me an objective, a place to focus my efforts. So you know, when I achieve one of those goals, I pick something else and I go, hey, I'm curious about this. I'm going to go and figure it out. And I go attack it and I learn it, and then I move on to the next objective. So my brain is constantly moving on to the next objective. So when I find myself getting stuck in the doldrums, just kind of languishing, I go, what's challenging? Let's do it. Yeah, no, that's a good explanation. I have a mountain to climb. Ljiljana And tell me also, looking back, is there anything you would have done differently in your career, or a key lesson you wish you'd learned earlier? Rob Oh, gosh. You know, people ask me this, and I think about this, and you want to know something? There's nothing I would have done differently. I could say, you know, I wish I came out of the military and just went full time to university and g