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The Out Of Programme (OOP) podcast shines a spotlight on clinicians who have ventured beyond the traditional path of clinical training to forge unique and unconventional careers. Hosted by Dr Jing Ouyang, this series delves into the diverse backgrounds, driving motivations and transformative moments that shaped their journeys outside the realm of medicine. Whether you’re a clinician curious about life beyond the white coat or simply fascinated by stories of bold career reinvention, this podcast offers inspiring conversations and thought-provoking insights that go beyond the ordinary.

  1. Episode 13: Ash Patel on the Beginnings of Babylon, Serendipity in Venture Capital, and Pivoting into Investment Banking

    SEP 16

    Episode 13: Ash Patel on the Beginnings of Babylon, Serendipity in Venture Capital, and Pivoting into Investment Banking

    What does it take to leave anaesthetics behind and reimagine your career in the world of finance? In this episode, we speak with Dr Ash Patel – an anaesthetist turned Managing Director at Houlihan Lokey. Ash shares his extraordinary journey from the wards of the NHS to the early founding days of Babylon Health, through venture capital at Mercia and Optum Ventures, and finally to investment banking. We dive into: 💡 The serendipitous introduction that led him to join Babylon in its infancy 🚀 What it was like to help shape one of the UK’s most high-profile digital health startups 📈 How he broke into venture capital at a time when almost no doctors were in the field 💼 Why he pivoted again, this time into investment banking, and what he’s learned along the way Ash’s story shows how curiosity, courage, and a willingness to embrace uncertainty can open doors to unexpected and rewarding career paths. Follow us on: 🗞️ Substack: http://outofprogramme.com ▶️ YouTube: @OutOfProgramme 🎧 Spotify: Listen here 🍎 Apple Podcasts: Listen here

    1h 2m
  2. Episode 12: Dr Alice McGee on Rebuilding After Burnout, Breaking into FemTech, and Turning a Setback into a Startup

    SEP 2

    Episode 12: Dr Alice McGee on Rebuilding After Burnout, Breaking into FemTech, and Turning a Setback into a Startup

    What happens when a torn ligament becomes the turning point in your clinical career? In this episode, we speak with Dr Alice McGee – a former obstetrics trainee who left traditional training behind to found Mara Health, advise global FemTech companies like Flow, and lead one of the fastest-growing communities for emerging health tech leaders, GXGN. Alice opens up about the identity crisis that came with leaving medicine, how she cold-DM’d her way into consulting from her sofa in Aberdeen, and why tenacity, not connections, was her biggest asset. We dive into:💡 Rebuilding confidence after burnout and injury🚺 Breaking into FemTech without a network🏢 Starting Mara Health and finding your niche🧠 Imposter syndrome, rejection therapy, and LinkedIn visibility🌱 Launching the Your Next Move newsletter and chairing GXGN If you're questioning the status quo or looking for your next move, Alice’s story is a blueprint in courage, community, and career reinvention. — Follow us on:🗞️ Substack: http://outofprogramme.com▶️ YouTube: https://www.youtube.com/@OutOfProgramme

    46 min
  3. Episode 11: From RAF Doctor to Downing Street, Teaching the British Military How to Code, and Building an AI Startup

    AUG 21

    Episode 11: From RAF Doctor to Downing Street, Teaching the British Military How to Code, and Building an AI Startup

    What happens when you turn military medicine into a launchpad for tech innovation? In this episode, we speak with Dr James Kuht – an RAF doctor whose career has taken him from flying with the Royal Air Force to advising the Prime Minister in No.10, teaching thousands of British military personnel how to code, and founding Pear, an AI skills platform now used worldwide. We dive into: ✈️ Training as an RAF doctor and navigating an unconventional medical career 💻 Creating a viral AI upskilling programme that reached 5,000+ service members 🏛️ Founding the Downing Street data science team and shaping policy with data 📡 Leading innovation on the frontline as the first regiment Chief Technology Officer 🚀 The highs, lows, and pivots of building a successful AI startup James’s story is a masterclass in spotting opportunities, taking calculated risks, and shaping a career at the cutting edge of medicine, military, and technology. Follow us on: 🗞️ Substack: http://outofprogramme.com ▶️ YouTube: https://www.youtube.com/@OutOfProgramme 👨‍💻 LinkedIn: @outofprogramme

    58 min
  4. Episode 10 – Azeem Alam on Songwriting in LA, Building BiteLabs and Balancing Startups with Radiology

    AUG 5

    Episode 10 – Azeem Alam on Songwriting in LA, Building BiteLabs and Balancing Startups with Radiology

    What do you do when the surgical dream no longer fits - and the music industry calls? In this episode, we speak with Dr Azeem Alam, clinical radiology registrar and co-founder of BiteWorld - the company behind the highly acclaimed BiteLabs Fellowship, which helps clinicians transition into health tech careers. From writing heartbreak ballads in his teens to working with Top 40 artists in LA, Azeem shares how his creative roots shaped an unconventional career path that now spans clinical training, entrepreneurship, and impact at scale. We dive into:🎸 The early music hustle - from cold emailing labels to LA studios💻 Founding ByteWorld and training 1,000+ clinicians for roles in health tech⚖️ Balancing radiology training with building a fast-growing startup🏥 Why he walked away from academic surgical training (weeks before starting)🧠 Navigating career guilt, community, and identity as a multi-hyphenate clinician Azeem’s story is an honest and inspiring look at what happens when you step off the medical treadmill and start building something of your own. — Follow us:🗞️ Substack: http://outofprogramme.com📺 YouTube: youtube.com/@OutOfProgramme

    54 min

  5. JUL 15

    Episode 9: Vernon Bainton on Career Serendipity, Overcoming Clinical Guilt, and Leading Global Health Communications

    What does it take to walk away from anaesthetics and lead one of the world’s top healthcare communication networks? In this episode, we speak with Dr Vernon Bainton—Chief Medical Officer at HavasLynx—about his unconventional journey from hospital medicine to global medical communications. Vernon shares how personal upheaval, health challenges, and an unexpected meeting with three entrepreneurial clinicians changed the trajectory of his career. We dive into:💡 Finding career clarity through serendipity, not a five-year plan🚪 Leaving medicine and shedding the guilt that comes with it🌍 Launching global health campaigns that reach millions🎯 Building a vocation in communication, creativity, and strategic influence🧠 Why transferable skills matter more than you think—and how to spot yours This is a must-listen for any clinician contemplating a leap into the unknown. Follow us on:🗞️ Substack: outofprogramme.com➡️ Youtube: @outofprogramme🎧 Spotify: Listen here🍎 Apple Podcasts: Listen here

    49 min
  6. Episode 8: Elsa Varghese on Leaving Residency, the Pressure of Family Expectations, and Building Medical Games

    JUL 1

    Episode 8: Elsa Varghese on Leaving Residency, the Pressure of Family Expectations, and Building Medical Games

    What happens when you choose not to pursue residency after medical school? In this episode, we speak with Elsa Varghese—a medical doctor who walked away from the traditional path to build a career at the cutting edge of digital health. From family pressure and financial worries to launching clinical games at Level X and leading teams at Snake Inc., Elsa shares how she transformed uncertainty into opportunity. We dive into: 💡 Finding purpose beyond the ward 🎮 Building medical education games with Hollywood-style teams 🧠 Leading diverse teams as a medical director 🏥 Redefining success in a system that doesn’t make space for change Elsa’s story is a must-listen for anyone questioning the status quo in clinical careers.

    1h 3m

  7. MAY 20

    Episode 7: Iain Hennessey on Carving an Innovation Career in the NHS, Building the Alder Hey Innovation Hub, and Balancing Surgery with Tech Leadership

    What does it take to be a paediatric surgeon and the driving force behind one of the NHS’s most groundbreaking innovation hubs? In this episode, we sit down with Mr. Iain Hennessey, Consultant Paediatric Surgeon and Clinical Director of Innovation at Alder Hey Children’s Hospital. From a childhood spent in the mine rescue medical centre to founding the iconic Alder Hey Innovation Hub (aka the Batcave), Iain shares how he fused medicine, creativity, and technology to forge a truly unconventional clinical career. Tune in to hear: How Iain’s engineering instincts and love of theatre shaped his surgical journey The origin story of the Alder Hey Innovation Hub and why 2014 was a tipping point for NHS innovation Honest reflections on risk, failure, and redefining clinical success Practical advice for doctors who want to explore innovation without leaving medicine behind Whether you're a med student, clinician, or creative thinker at a crossroads, this episode is your invitation to imagine a different kind of future in healthcare.

    1h 4m
  8. Episode 6: Dr Anushka Patchava on Founding with Purpose, Mental Health Breakthroughs, and Leading with Authenticity

    MAY 6

    Episode 6: Dr Anushka Patchava on Founding with Purpose, Mental Health Breakthroughs, and Leading with Authenticity

    From Imperial dropout to Cambridge medic to digital health leader — Dr. Anushka Patchava’s career has been anything but traditional. In this candid and energising conversation, Anushka reflects on: The cultural and internal pressures that pushed her into medicine Why she left radiology (and what a night shift at King’s Hospital had to do with it) Her difficult but necessary leap into consulting and health insurance Building WellEx and why she walked away from it Her brutally honest journey with mental health — and how it led her to join a mental health startup Anushka brings radical honesty, vulnerability, and wisdom to a conversation about identity, ambition, and the courage to start again — again and again. Whether you're contemplating a transition or simply curious about what life outside of clinical work looks like, this is an episode you won’t want to miss. Follow us on:🗞️ Substack: Out Of Programme Podcast ➡️ Youtube: @outofprogramme👨‍💻 LinkedIn: @outofprogramme

    1h 1m
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The Out Of Programme (OOP) podcast shines a spotlight on clinicians who have ventured beyond the traditional path of clinical training to forge unique and unconventional careers. Hosted by Dr Jing Ouyang, this series delves into the diverse backgrounds, driving motivations and transformative moments that shaped their journeys outside the realm of medicine. Whether you’re a clinician curious about life beyond the white coat or simply fascinated by stories of bold career reinvention, this podcast offers inspiring conversations and thought-provoking insights that go beyond the ordinary.

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