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The Out Of Programme (OOP) podcast shines a spotlight on clinicians who have ventured beyond the traditional path of clinical training to forge unique and unconventional careers. Hosted by Dr Jing Ouyang, this series delves into the diverse backgrounds, driving motivations and transformative moments that shaped their journeys outside the realm of medicine. Whether you’re a clinician curious about life beyond the white coat or simply fascinated by stories of bold career reinvention, this podcast offers inspiring conversations and thought-provoking insights that go beyond the ordinary.

  1. Episode 24: Ryan Kerstein on Turning a Dirty Tourniquet into a Global Business, Pivoting to Management Consulting, and Championing Surgical Innovation Nationally

    1D AGO

    Episode 24: Ryan Kerstein on Turning a Dirty Tourniquet into a Global Business, Pivoting to Management Consulting, and Championing Surgical Innovation Nationally

    What happens when two medical students spot a dirty tourniquet, build a single-use alternative that sells 75 million units globally — and one of them still operates every week as an NHS consultant plastic surgeon? In this episode, we speak with Ryan Kerstein, a consultant plastic surgeon and Associate Medical Director for Research and Innovation at Buckinghamshire Healthcare NHS Trust. Ryan leads the BRAIN Innovation Unit, directs the Royal College of Surgeons iHub, and co-founded ASAP Healthcare as a medical student. 🏥 How a mucky reusable tourniquet in the MRSA era sparked a med school business idea🔧 From cutting tray paper in McDonald's to landing on the NHS Supply Chain with 75 million units sold💼 Leaving surgery for BCG management consulting — and why he came back to the NHS🧠 Being told to take innovation off his CV — and stubbornly proving the doubters wrong🚀 Building the first national surgical innovation group and championing a new career path for clinical intrapreneurs⚖️ Balancing a full-time clinical practice with portfolio leadership roles across trust, college, and companyRyan's journey is a masterclass in turning frontline frustration into lasting impact — and proof that you don't have to choose between clinical excellence and driving innovation. Follow us on: 🗞 Substack 💼 LinkedIn ▶ YouTube 🎧 Listen on: Spotify | Apple Podcasts

    47 min
  2. Episode 23: Dr Fiona Pathiraja-Moller on Taking Back Agency, Learning from 100+ HealthTech Investments, and Giving Back through Philanthropy

    FEB 3

    Episode 23: Dr Fiona Pathiraja-Moller on Taking Back Agency, Learning from 100+ HealthTech Investments, and Giving Back through Philanthropy

    What happens when a radiologist leaves clinical practice to become a HealthTech investor, backing 100+ startups, and championing philanthropy in healthcare? In this episode, we speak with Dr Fiona Pathiraja-Moller, a former NHS radiologist turned HealthTech investor and managing partner of Christa Gali Ventures, a European investment fund backing early-stage HealthTech startups. Fiona is also a board trustee for several prestigious organisations including the Royal College of Physicians and the Royal Botanical Gardens, Kew, and leads philanthropic efforts in healthcare, education, and the arts through her family office, IPQ Capital. 🏥 The early spark: How medical school fascination with the human body led to radiology🤔 From F2 to management consultancy: Questioning the system and proactively acquiring new skills🧠 Challenging the status quo: Taking back agency and rejecting “this is just how it is”💡 Making real impact: How a Department of Health policy Fiona worked on affected 91,000 junior doctors🚀 From angel investor to fund manager: Founding Christa Gali Ventures and backing over 150 startups📈 The raw truth behind startup success: Navigating co-founder splits, lawsuits, and valuation slashes💖 Beyond the hustle: Supporting founders through life’s toughest moments🌱 Philanthropy and governance: Championing modern leadership and giving back through global institutionsFiona’s story is a deep dive into how to continuously challenge convention, cultivate a diverse portfolio of interests, and leverage your unique perspective to drive meaningful change, both in and out of medicine. Follow us on: 🗞 ⁠Substack⁠ 💼 ⁠LinkedIn⁠ ▶ ⁠YouTube⁠ 🎧 Listen on: ⁠Spotify⁠ | ⁠Apple Podcasts

    40 min

  3. JAN 20

    Episode 22: Dr Jonathan King on Overcoming Cystic Fibrosis to Become a Doctor, Turning Patient Experience into Innovation, and Founding Medical Ease

    What happens when a doctor with cystic fibrosis, who was once told he may not be able to cope with the rigours of medicine, not only becomes a doctor but also founds a MedTech company aimed at improving patient experience? In this episode, we speak with Dr Jonathan King, a gastroenterology registrar, NHS clinical entrepreneur fellow, and founder of Medical Ease. Jonathan shares his extraordinary path from patient to doctor, driven by a deep desire to help others and transform healthcare from the inside out. 🏥 How a life-changing hospital admission at 15 inspired Jonathan to pursue medicine, despite his own battle with cystic fibrosis.🤔 The personal challenges and external doubts he faced, including being advised against medicine due to his health, and how he proved them wrong.🇮🇳 His profound experience in India, which led to a near lung transplant and a pivotal shift in his medical career and perspective.🏃‍♂️ How his dedication to exercise not only improved his health but also sparked the idea for remote patient monitoring.💡 The serendipitous journey and unique challenges of founding Medical Ease, a digital health startup tackling language and accessibility barriers in clinical care.🤝 Jonathan’s experience as a fellow with the prestigious European accelerator, EWAR, and the invaluable community and lessons learned.Jonathan’s story is a powerful testament to resilience, innovation, and using personal adversity to drive meaningful change in healthcare. He shares candidly about the trade-offs and difficulties of balancing a demanding clinical career with the entrepreneurial hustle. Follow us on: 🗞 ⁠Substack⁠ 💼 ⁠LinkedIn⁠ ▶ ⁠YouTube⁠ 🎧 Listen on: ⁠Spotify⁠ | ⁠Apple Podcasts

    49 min
  4. Episode 21: Dr Derrick Khor on Becoming a HealthTech Creator, Connecting Clinicians at Scale, and Founding the Medical Consulting Group

    JAN 7

    Episode 21: Dr Derrick Khor on Becoming a HealthTech Creator, Connecting Clinicians at Scale, and Founding the Medical Consulting Group

    From a junior doctor to a prominent HealthTech voice and founder – how did Dr. Derrick Khor build a thriving medical consulting group and become a go-to expert for health innovation? In this episode, we sit down with Dr Derrick Khor, a clinical oncology doctor, HealthTech connector, and founder of the Medical Consulting Group. He shares his incredible journey from a self-proclaimed "pure medic" to advising ventures like GG Ventures, Zinc, and VentureBlink, all while bridging the gap between medicine and innovation. ⚕️ How a strong conviction for oncology at 18 led him across continents to the UK, and the cultural shifts he encountered in medical practice.🦠 The unexpected catalyst of COVID-19 and the birth of his HealthTech journey – from a frustrated ST3 to a LinkedIn sensation.📈 The evolution of "Adopt-a-Doc" into the Medical Consulting Group, scaling clinical engagement and understanding the true value of clinician input.🧠 Navigating imposter syndrome and the profound realisation that clinicians possess invaluable, often overlooked, expertise for HealthTech founders.⚖️ The delicate balance of saying "yes" to opportunities while safeguarding personal values and avoiding exploitation in a rapidly growing industry.👨‍👩‍👧‍👦 Balancing a demanding clinical career, a thriving business, and family life with two young children.Join us as Dr. Khor reveals the power of consistency, authentic engagement, and the art of translating clinical insight into commercial impact. Follow us on: 🗞 ⁠Substack⁠ 💼 ⁠LinkedIn⁠ ▶ ⁠YouTube⁠ 🎧 Listen on: ⁠Spotify⁠ | ⁠Apple Podcasts

    48 min
  5. Episode 20: Dr Ruby Wang on Joining the Foreign Office during the Pandemic, Founding a Global Consultancy and Shaping UK–China Health Diplomacy

    12/23/2025

    Episode 20: Dr Ruby Wang on Joining the Foreign Office during the Pandemic, Founding a Global Consultancy and Shaping UK–China Health Diplomacy

    From the NHS front lines to health diplomacy and global consulting: How does a doctor navigate a non-linear career path, bridging East and West in health innovation? In this episode, we speak with Dr Ruby Wang, a doctor and former Head of Health for China in the Foreign Office, now Director of Lintris – an award-winning consultancy bridging China and the West on health policy, biopharma, and medtech. 🏥 Why a fascination with surgery led to medicine, and how the realities of the NHS spurred a search for new challenges🌍 Joining the Foreign Office during the pandemic and shaping UK-China health diplomacy💡 Founding Lintris: How Dr Wang’s unique expertise became an award-winning consultancy⚖️ Balancing clinical practice, consultancy work, and a non-linear career mindset📚 The power of networks, continuous learning, and embracing serendipity in career pivotsDr Wang’s journey is an inspiring exploration of cultural bridges, global health, and the courage to redefine professional purpose beyond traditional medical pathways. Follow us on: 🗞 ⁠Substack⁠ 💼 ⁠LinkedIn⁠ ▶ ⁠YouTube⁠ 🎧 Listen on: ⁠Spotify⁠ | ⁠Apple Podcasts

    52 min
  6. Episode 19: Dr Benjamin de Viaris on Moving from French to UK Healthtech, Founding Cellen & Leva Clinic, and Pioneering Obstetric Surgical Innovation in the NHS

    12/09/2025

    Episode 19: Dr Benjamin de Viaris on Moving from French to UK Healthtech, Founding Cellen & Leva Clinic, and Pioneering Obstetric Surgical Innovation in the NHS

    What does it take to move from French to UK healthtech, found not one, but two pioneering healthtech companies, and innovate obstetric surgical practice within the NHS? In this episode, we speak with Dr Benjamin de Viaris, a women's health consultant and healthtech entrepreneur with a career spanning both France and the UK. He is the co-founder of Cellen, a pioneering platform for personalised medicine, and Leva Clinic, one of the UK's first digital pain clinics. 🇫🇷🇬🇧 Navigating a medical career between France and the UK – and why one system is more efficient!💡 From hackathons in Bethlehem to building a vibrant healthtech community in France and the UK🚀 The journey of Cellen & Leva Clinic: how to build, scale, and exit healthtech businesses🏥 Pioneering the HOPE section: bringing personalised obstetric surgical innovation to the NHS🔑 Why maintaining clinical practice de-risks your entrepreneurial venturesBenjamin's story is a fascinating insight into cross-cultural medical innovation, the realities of building and scaling healthtech solutions, and how to drive change within the NHS. Follow us on: 🗞 ⁠Substack⁠ 💼 ⁠LinkedIn⁠ ▶ ⁠YouTube⁠ 🎧 Listen on: ⁠Spotify⁠ | ⁠Apple Podcasts

    58 min
  7. Episode 18: Dr Henry Carleton on Pioneering NHS SaaS, Scaling Without VC, and Bootstrapping to a Double Exit

    11/25/2025

    Episode 18: Dr Henry Carleton on Pioneering NHS SaaS, Scaling Without VC, and Bootstrapping to a Double Exit

    What happens when a junior doctor builds a SaaS business for the NHS before SaaS was even a thing? In this episode, we sit down with Dr Henry Carleton — founder of Circadian and Four Eyes Insight, two healthcare software companies that changed the face of workforce and theatre productivity in the NHS. Both exited successfully, setting a blueprint for clinician-led innovation long before the health tech boom. Henry’s story spans from sneaking off to France mid-med school to run a classified ads business, to bootstrapping one of the most widely adopted rota management tools in the UK — all without a single VC cheque. ✈️ The med student years: failing rotations while flying to Montpellier to run a print newspaper🍷 Why his first wine business failed — and what it taught him about risk, contracts, and taste-testing the stock🧠 Spotting an unsexy NHS workforce problem no one was solving — and turning it into a thriving SaaS business💡 Bootstrapping to product-market fit without investors, incubators, or buzzwords🧾 Navigating acquisition as a first-time founder and why he did it all again with business #2🧭 His no-nonsense advice for clinicians thinking of leaving medicine or building in health techThis is a masterclass in resilience, timing, and building what the NHS actually needs — long before it’s ready for it. Follow us on:🗞 Substack💼 LinkedIn▶ YouTube 🎧 Listen now on:🔹 Spotify🔹 Apple Podcasts

    1h 1m
  8. Episode 17: Dr Victoria Bakare on Starting in Global Health, Becoming an NHS Medical Director, and Founding Occuvia Health

    11/11/2025

    Episode 17: Dr Victoria Bakare on Starting in Global Health, Becoming an NHS Medical Director, and Founding Occuvia Health

    From WHO internships to NHS executive leadership — with a startup in the mix. In this episode, we speak with Dr Victoria Bakare, a GP whose career spans global health roles at the WHO, UN, and World Bank, a leadership position as Associate Medical Director at Kent Community NHS Foundation Trust, and the founding of Occuvia Health, a mission-driven occupational health company supporting charities and NGOs. 🌍 How a WHO internship opened the door to global health opportunities🏥 What it takes to become a medical director early in your clinical career⚙️ Why Victoria pivoted into occupational medicine — and found her true purpose there🚀 The early stages of building Occuvia Health while balancing multiple roles and an MBA🙏 How faith, flexibility, and bold decisions shaped a career across continents and sectors Victoria’s journey is a masterclass in designing a meaningful, multi-dimensional career — on your own terms. Follow us on:🗞 Substack💼 LinkedIn▶ YouTube 🎧 Listen on your favourite platform: SpotifyApple Podcasts

    48 min
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The Out Of Programme (OOP) podcast shines a spotlight on clinicians who have ventured beyond the traditional path of clinical training to forge unique and unconventional careers. Hosted by Dr Jing Ouyang, this series delves into the diverse backgrounds, driving motivations and transformative moments that shaped their journeys outside the realm of medicine. Whether you’re a clinician curious about life beyond the white coat or simply fascinated by stories of bold career reinvention, this podcast offers inspiring conversations and thought-provoking insights that go beyond the ordinary.

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    Out Of Programme
  • Years Active
    2025 - 2026
  • Episodes
    24
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