In today's episode, I chat with Deepak Joshi, a freelance GTM engineer, about helping B2B agencies and companies get pipeline through email/LinkedIn outreach and building automations that make manual steps scalable - emphasizing that infrastructure is buyable today but understanding what to send and who to target requires experimentation across industries (IT needs professional emails, marketing needs sassy short ones) and countries (US, Europe, India all different), running enough experiments monthly to generate 4-5 leads minimum or the campaign has no point. We explore his creative campaign for a sales engagement platform targeting SMBs, setting 10 meetings daily purely through email by scraping every directory (Clutch, Good Firms, 7-8 more), finding emails from websites using Clearbit instead of Apollo (website emails get 300 sends per positive response vs Apollo's 1,200-1,300 because SMBs monitor their website inbox daily), keeping copy simple without heavy personalization ("I can see you help these guys, you probably need X leads monthly, we can do Y for you—interesting?"), and scaling to 80,000 emails daily (50K+ businesses from Apollo, clutch, Facebook pages, deduping down to 400-500K max) by only sending one email per prospect and re-engaging after two months. Deepak shares his journey from consulting to joining Bangalore founder-office roles doing everything except development (growth, marketing, sales, product) for 1.5 years, deciding to go solo, turning his job into a client, taking on 2-3 more friends from BITS Pilani doing startups, building case studies reaching out to agency clients via Instantly, working with 10-12 clients monthly who commit for a year, and recently entering SaaS (easier than agencies because better offers and specific targeting around problem-based ICP vs everyone having ICP problems). He predicts the future stays the same as the past six months—Gmail/Outlook increasing barriers while new solutions emerge, aged domains with transactional volume bypassing restrictions (you can send pictures if domain has history), and vertical-specific AI trained on playbooks for selling SEO/PPC agencies potentially getting better than humans (like Canva vs Figma—Clay is Figma for experts, room for Canva with specific templates). Deepak's advice: create 20-25 YouTube videos showing you're serious, learn Instantly/Clay/APIs, list 1,000 cold email agencies and reach out with your YouTube link (won't land in spam), land internships working free if needed, enter an agency for six months working on 20+ clients—you'll become an expert, nothing more to it. Enjoy 🙂 (00:00) Introduction to Outbound Wizards (00:31) What a Freelance GTM Engineer Does (01:31) Understanding What to Send and Who to Target (Experimentation) (03:52) Creative Campaign: Sales Engagement Platform for SMBs (05:18) Scraping Directories, Website Emails vs Apollo (300 vs 1,200 Sends) (06:21) Simple Copy Without Heavy Personalization for SMBs (08:10) Strategy: Scrape Apollo at 5X, Take Prospects Without Emails (08:50) Getting to 80,000 Emails Daily via Multiple Directories (10:26) Journey: Consulting to Bangalore Founder-Office Roles (11:12) Turning Job Into Client, Taking BITS Pilani Friends (12:36) SaaS Easier Than Agencies (Better Offers, Problem-Based ICP) (13:25) Future Prediction: Same as Past Six Months (14:24) Aged Domains with Transactional Volume Bypass Restrictions (15:07) Vertical-Specific AI Trained on Playbooks (Canva vs Figma Analogy) (17:05) Advice: Create 20-25 YouTube Videos, Reach 1,000 Agencies (18:15) Land Internships (Free if Needed), Work 20+ Clients in Six Months (19:00) Closing and Contact Information 🔗 CONNECT WITH DEEPAK 👥 LinkedIn 🔗 CONNECT WITH SAURAV 🎥 YouTube Channel 🐦 X (Twitter) 📸 Instagram 💻 Website 👥 LinkedIn📧 Email - saurabh@salesrobot.co 🙏 LEAVE A REVIEW If you enjoyed listening to the podcast, we'd love for you to leave a 5-star review on Apple Podcasts to help others discover the show :) 👋🏼 GET IN TOUCH You can also reach out with any feedback, ideas or thoughts about the lessons you've learned from the episodes.