Owner-Occupied with Peter Yoder

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What does American housing finance actually require, and what has it merely gotten used to? Owner Occupied is a long-form interview podcast that treats that question seriously. Each episode sits with one practitioner and works through a single piece of the system from first principles. When you dig deep enough, a lot of what looks structural is actually habit, and the way to tell the difference is to ask.

Episodes

  1. MAY 3

    Everything You Know About 2008 is Wrong

    In 2014, Kevin Erdmann was a value investor sizing up micro-cap homebuilders, expecting a two week study on the recovery trade. The data didn't cooperate, and two weeks turned into a decade, two books, and a thesis the housing agencies and the Fed have spent years failing to confront: 2008 wasn't a bubble. The crisis everyone remembers was a chronic housing shortage in five coastal cities, which regulators turned it into a generational catastrophe by destroying the construction capacity needed to fix it. We cover: - How the Big Short got the story backwards - Why 14 million adults are living with their parents - Compton got more expensive, not Beverly Hills - Why the 2008 crisis was the most popular public policy event of our lifetime - Synthetic CDOs existed because the supply of real mortgages had collapsed - Why half of America's $58 trillion in residential real estate isn't wealth - Builders can't meet demand even with prices high enough to justify it - How homes in low-end Atlanta lost 60% of value purely from credit policy - Why the 30-year fixed mortgage is a forced inflation derivative.

    2h 23m

  2. MAY 3

    The Last Asset Class Without Equity

    Brian Elbogen has spent a decade building the financial product that housing forgot. After studying operations research and financial engineering at Princeton and quant investing at Two Sigma, he cold-emailed the founders of Unison with a single claim: he'd thought more about equity financing for housing than almost anyone alive. They hired him. He went on to serve as Chief Investment Officer at Unlock, and now leads Jubilee — a company bringing institutional ground leases to American homeownership at scale. This conversation is a clinic in capital stack design, duration matching, and the structural reason housing remains the last major asset class without an equity option. Here's what we cover: Why housing is the only major asset class where consumers can access debt but not equity and what that distortion has cost a generation of buyersThe trillion-dollar commercial ground lease market hiding in plain sight, from the Empire State Building to Chick-fil-A drive-thrus, and why the same structure has never reached residential at scaleHow bifurcating land from improvements unlocks two fundamentally different risk-return profiles and why life insurance companies with fifty-year liabilities are the natural counterparty for the land trancheThe four pillars of institutional adoption: legal perfectibility, risk-return, financeability, and liquidity, and why most new financial products die on the first oneWhy cherry-picking alpha through home price forecasting is a losing game, and what actually drives cost of capital down over timeThe fundamental break between today's buyers and the advice their parents gave them and why "own everything or own nothing" is no longer a workable frameWhether broad homeownership is still a defensible societal goal, and where the alignment argument breaks downThe coming wealth transfer, the limits of the lock-in narrative, and why existing supply will never unlock the way policy hopes it willStarter Home 2.0: ADUs, cross-mods, systematic lot splits, rolling tiny houses and why solving new supply is a policy problem, not a venture problemThe 203K renovation loan, why it's structurally broken at the point of purchase, and the bridge product that would make it workWhy "if you can't beat them, join them" is the only viable path for new housing finance products competing against agency execution

    55 min
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What does American housing finance actually require, and what has it merely gotten used to? Owner Occupied is a long-form interview podcast that treats that question seriously. Each episode sits with one practitioner and works through a single piece of the system from first principles. When you dig deep enough, a lot of what looks structural is actually habit, and the way to tell the difference is to ask.

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