Build Better Work

ProfitOptics

Welcome to Build Better Work, a podcast from ProfitOptics.  ProfitOptics is a modern consulting firm focused on digital transformation.

  1. JAN 16

    How SPA Data Chaos Destroys Profit—and How to Fix It

    In the final episode of “Mastering the Hidden Margin", a special series on Build Better Work, our cast reveals where margin is truly lost—after the SPA agreement is signed. Join Tony Pericle,  Kara DeGraff, Scott Sinning, and Rick Wells as they break down how broken data flows, manual reconciliation, and missed renewals quietly drain 1–3% of SPA revenue every year.  The conversation explores the full SPA lifecycle: digitizing supplier data, normalizing inconsistent formats, managing claim reconciliation, and enforcing renewal discipline. The panel shares side-by-side distributor and manufacturer perspectives, along with war stories from decades in pricing and contract administration. Practical guidance is offered on standardized templates, tolerance-based reconciliation, aging reports, centralized renewals, and preventing pricing chaos when SPAs expire unexpectedly. Time Stamps: 0:00 - Intro2:54 - SPA Life Cycle4:01 - Consolidating and Internalize Data9:00 - Claims and Disputes11:27 - Reconciliation of Claims13:28 - Renewing Contracts19:19 - Leveraging “White Space”22:05 - The Hidden Margin24:22 - New Customers/ New SPAs29:02 - AI in Distribution30:41 - 3 Most Important Features for Distributors to Know31:52 - How to Prevent Leakage33:02 - Most Important Characteristics for SPA Leadership36:49 - ClosingGuests: Tony | tony@profitoptics.com: Tony Pericle is the founder of ProfitOptics and one of the most innovative minds in the distribution industry. With over 30 years of experience—from frontline sales to leading AI-powered transformations—he’s helped major distributors unlock hidden margin, optimize operations, and scale pricing strategies. Cara | linkedin.com/in/caradegraff: Cara DeGraff is a VP of Production Management at Vistex and leads a global team that manages all aspects of product management and product education. Since joining Vistex in 2007, Cara welcomes the challenge of solving companies' problems and optimizing their processes through Vistex solutions. Prior to Vistex, Cara worked for both manufacturers and distributors with SAP as their ERP, and across a variety of industries managing and implementing a myriad of business processes.Scott | scott@pricingfordistributors.com: Scott Sinning founded Pricing For Distributors in 2022 after a 30-year career in wholesale distribution with Graybar Electric. As former VP of Pricing Strategy, he knows about the margin challenges and opportunities faced by distributors. He is a "business guy" that came up through the ranks, but his career also included lead roles on ERP and pricing software projects where he learned how to drive successful change at scale.ABOUT BUILD BETTER WORK PODCAST Build Better Work by ProfitOptics is a podcast about the power of technology to transform work and lives with our host Greg Stivers. The show is produced by ProfitOptics, a technology consulting firm that builds software and engineers data solutions to drive business performance for mid-size and enterprise companies. CONNECT WITH PROFITOPTICS ProfitOptics.com Follow us on LinkedIn

    39 min
  2. JAN 15

    Why Most SPA Requests Fail—and How to Fix Them

    Returning to our conversation, “Mastering the Hidden Margin", a special series on Build Better Work, our panel dives into the heartbeat of SPA success: negotiation. Moving beyond history and systems, this episode focuses on how distributors should ask for SPAs—credibly, proactively, and with data that builds trust instead of friction. Joining us again is Tony Pericle, Scott Sinning and Kara DeGraff, in a conversation that outlines why SPAs are not about discounts, but about positioning distributors as true partners to manufacturers. The group breaks down what separates a strong SPA request from a weak one: clarity on customer and product, realistic volume commitments, competitive context, and a plan that can be tracked and validated over time. They explore who should own SPA negotiations at different levels of the organization, how sales teams should be coached, and why accountability and follow-through matter as much as the initial cost ask. Time Stamps: 0:00 - Intro2:36 - Good vs Bad SPA Request4:19 - Relationships and Information6:06 - Information Distribution for SPA Success12:58 - What to Ask for & What to Ask for14:53 - How to Position Yourself to Ask for a SPA16:54 - What Does a “Legit” SPA Deal Look Like?20:22 - Get the Most in SPA Negotiation23:48 - ClosingGuests: Tony | tony@profitoptics.com: Tony Pericle is the founder of ProfitOptics and one of the most innovative minds in the distribution industry. With over 30 years of experience—from frontline sales to leading AI-powered transformations—he’s helped major distributors unlock hidden margin, optimize operations, and scale pricing strategies. Cara | linkedin.com/in/caradegraff: Cara DeGraff is a VP of Production Management at Vistex and leads a global team that manages all aspects of product management and product education. Since joining Vistex in 2007, Cara welcomes the challenge of solving companies' problems and optimizing their processes through Vistex solutions. Prior to Vistex, Cara worked for both manufacturers and distributors with SAP as their ERP, and across a variety of industries managing and implementing a myriad of business processes.Scott | scott@pricingfordistributors.com: Scott Sinning founded Pricing For Distributors in 2022 after a 30-year career in wholesale distribution with Graybar Electric. As former VP of Pricing Strategy, he knows about the margin challenges and opportunities faced by distributors. He is a "business guy" that came up through the ranks, but his career also included lead roles on ERP and pricing software projects where he learned how to drive successful change at scale.ABOUT BUILD BETTER WORK PODCAST Build Better Work by ProfitOptics is a podcast about the power of technology to transform work and lives with our host Greg Stivers. The show is produced by ProfitOptics, a technology consulting firm that builds software and engineers data solutions to drive business performance for mid-size and enterprise companies. CONNECT WITH PROFITOPTICS ProfitOptics.com Follow us on LinkedIn

    26 min
  3. JAN 15

    The Hidden Margin Behind SPAs, Rebates, and Ship-and-Debit

    In this first episode of Mastering the Hidden Margin, a special series on Build Better Work, host Tony Pericle pulls back the curtain on SPAs—special pricing authorizations and agreements, also known as deviations, chargebacks, ship-and-debit, and invoice verification. He’s joined by industry veterans Scott Sinning and Cara DeGraff, who bring decades of experience across electrical distribution, medical supply, high tech, and enterprise rebate/pricing solutions. Together, they trace how SPA programs emerged from messy manual workarounds into one of the most important—and misunderstood—margin levers in distribution. Tony, Scott, and Cara also share their experience to describe what “good” SPA management actually looks like. They explore how digitization, data synchronization, and better analytics can reduce leakage, shrink reconciliation backlogs, and free sales teams from spreadsheet purgatory.  If you’re responsible for pricing, margin, or channel strategy in a distributor or manufacturer, this episode will give you the language, stories, and mental models you need to start mastering your hidden margin. Time Stamps: 0:00 - Intro2:25 - Guests and SPA Highlights10:49 - Problems SPAs Solve16:24 - What is Invoice Verification17:05 - SPAs = Competitive Advantage18:33 - Magnitude of SPAs20:30 - SPAs as a Manufacturer24:31 - Bring Data to the Conversation26:21 - Charge Backs and Price Masking29:23 - Synchronized Data35:50 - ClosingGuests: Tony | tony@profitoptics.com: Tony Pericle is the founder of ProfitOptics and one of the most innovative minds in the distribution industry. With over 30 years of experience—from frontline sales to leading AI-powered transformations—he’s helped major distributors unlock hidden margin, optimize operations, and scale pricing strategies. Cara | linkedin.com/in/caradegraff: Cara DeGraff is a VP of Production Management at Vistex and leads a global team that manages all aspects of product management and product education. Since joining Vistex in 2007, Cara welcomes the challenge of solving companies' problems and optimizing their processes through Vistex solutions. Prior to Vistex, Cara worked for both manufacturers and distributors with SAP as their ERP, and across a variety of industries managing and implementing a myriad of business processes.Scott | scott@pricingfordistributors.com: Scott Sinning founded Pricing For Distributors in 2022 after a 30-year career in wholesale distribution with Graybar Electric. As former VP of Pricing Strategy, he knows about the margin challenges and opportunities faced by distributors. His career also included lead roles on ERP and pricing software projects where he learned how to drive successful change at scale.ABOUT BUILD BETTER WORK PODCAST Build Better Work by ProfitOptics is a podcast about the power of technology to transform work and lives with our host Greg Stivers. The show is produced by ProfitOptics, a technology consulting firm that builds software and engineers data solutions to drive business performance for mid-size and enterprise companies. CONNECT WITH PROFITOPTICS ProfitOptics.com Follow us on LinkedIn

    37 min
5
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13 Ratings

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Welcome to Build Better Work, a podcast from ProfitOptics.  ProfitOptics is a modern consulting firm focused on digital transformation.