PerMissonal Podcast

Ed Bellaire and Stephen Bellaire
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The PerMissional Leader Podcast exists to inspire church, business, cultural and family leaders to ask, “am I leading like Jesus?”  We’ll do this through in-depth interviews of Permissional like leaders and those they’ve affected, sharing their life stories, successes, failures, and ways they’ve been transformed to live Permissionally.

Episodes

  1. Tim Hawks - The Power of Micro: Unleashing Gospel Saturation

    06/06/2025

    Tim Hawks - The Power of Micro: Unleashing Gospel Saturation

    Join us as we sit down with Tim Hawks, former Lead Pastor of Hill Country Bible Church Austin. For 35 years, Tim led the charge in planting 44 churches in the greater Austin area. Now, he's dedicated to seeing the gospel saturate communities worldwide. In this episode, Tim shares his journey, including the shift from a "bring them in" church growth model to a passionate pursuit of personal discipleship. He reveals his "heavy sorrow" over the decline of Christianity, particularly in post-Christian nations, and offers a powerful vision for a new generation. Discover why Acts 1:8 became his life verse and how it fuels his commitment to "gospel saturation" — ensuring every man, woman, and child has repeated opportunities to encounter Jesus. Tim challenges pastors and believers alike to embrace the "micro" command of making disciples, emphasizing that this, not macro programs, is the key to true church growth and seeing God's supernatural work displayed. He highlights the unique openness of Gen Z to the gospel, seeing their desperation for something real as a ripe opportunity for revival. Don't miss this insightful conversation about the simplicity and profound impact of prioritizing relational, obedience-driven discipleship. permissional.com

    2h 2m
  2. From Dumpster to Discipleship: Chris Gratton’s Powerful Journey of Coming to Faith in Christ

    02/28/2025

    From Dumpster to Discipleship: Chris Gratton’s Powerful Journey of Coming to Faith in Christ

    In this episode of the PerMissional Leadership Podcast, Chris Gratton shares his incredible journey from a non-Christian upbringing to finding his calling in ministry through a powerful encounter with Jesus. From his unlikely start behind a dumpster to serving as a worship leader and mentor, Chris’s story is filled with authenticity and transformation. Chris dives into the relationships that shaped his faith, including mentors like Theo Shepherd, who challenged him to make difficult decisions, such as leaving his beloved lacrosse team to pursue ministry. He also reflects on the pivotal moments of rejection, resilience, and discovering his true purpose in worship. You’ll also hear about Chris’s experiences in leadership, the influence of his involvement with FCA, and his ongoing journey of mentoring and discipling young men. Through candid stories, Chris emphasizes the importance of vulnerability, relational leadership, and choosing people over goals. Stay tuned to hear how Chris’s journey can inspire you to prioritize relationships, pursue your calling, and lead with authenticity and grace. Don't miss out on his practical advice for leaders at all stages, and discover the power of investing in others for the Kingdom! permissional.com

    1h 28m
  3. From Ambition to Surrender: Scot Caley on Leadership, Redemption & Disciple-Making

    02/28/2025

    From Ambition to Surrender: Scot Caley on Leadership, Redemption & Disciple-Making

    In this episode, Scot Caley shares his journey from growing up on a farm with a Christian family to becoming a church leader focused on missional discipleship. Scot reflects on the impact of his early family life, where his parents instilled responsibility and trust, shaping him into a leader. He recounts significant mentorship from his youth pastor, Rick Smalling, and influential experiences in sports that helped develop his leadership skills. Scot discusses his transition from pursuing agriculture to ministry, influenced by mentors like Professor Michael Shannon, who encouraged his preaching gifts. He shares candid stories about the highs and lows of church leadership, including rapid church growth, unhealthy ambition, and conflicts within leadership teams. This relentless focus on success strained his family relationships, a lesson Scot learned the hard way. Now, Scot emphasizes a leadership model that empowers others, encouraging fellow church members to use their gifts and focusing on disciple-making rather than personal recognition. He also opens up about his personal battle with pornography addiction, sharing how confession, repentance, and accountability helped him overcome the struggle and heal his marriage. Scot encourages leaders to embrace a Christ-centered, selfless approach, focusing on serving others, living a surrendered life, and pouring themselves out for God's glory. He closes with advice on perseverance in ministry, trusting in God's leading, and finding contentment in obscurity, knowing that ultimate reward comes from God. permissional.com

    1h 57m
  4. Multiplying Disciples, Not Just Churches: Andrew & Sierra Spellman on Simple, Missional Living

    02/28/2025

    Multiplying Disciples, Not Just Churches: Andrew & Sierra Spellman on Simple, Missional Living

    In this episode, Andrew and Sierra Spellman share their personal spiritual journeys and their involvement in the KC Underground movement, emphasizing a relational, disciple-making approach to faith. Sierra discusses her upbringing and the lack of life-to-life mentorship, while Andrew highlights the pivotal role his friend Pete played in his early discipleship. They contrast traditional church models with a disciple-making movement (DMM) focused on multiplying disciples and empowering individuals to lead. The couple introduces practical methods like the Discovery Bible Study (DBS), where participants study scripture, commit to action, and share their learnings. Sierra provides examples of engaging non-believers in spiritual conversations and identifies key steps in nurturing spiritual growth in others. They also discuss the challenges and setbacks in discipleship, the importance of perseverance, and maintaining emotional and spiritual health. Andrew and Sierra highlight their commitment to living missionally, equipping others to do the same, and embracing simplicity in discipleship. Their message encourages listeners to participate in God's mission, build community, and stay rooted in their identity in Christ. The episode concludes with advice on enduring challenges in missional living, adopting a sustainable mindset, and embracing the purpose of spreading the gospel. permissional.com

    1h 47m
  5. From Burnout to Breakthrough: Tommy Rutledge on Grace-Filled Leadership & Missional Living

    02/28/2025

    From Burnout to Breakthrough: Tommy Rutledge on Grace-Filled Leadership & Missional Living

    In this episode of the PerMissional Leadership Podcast, Tommy Rutledge shares his powerful story of transformation, from growing up in a non-Christian home to discovering his calling in ministry. Tommy reflects on his early spiritual formation, the healing of his relationship with his father, and the mentors who guided him on his path to vocational ministry. As Tommy dives into his journey, he talks about overcoming burnout, shifting from a performance-driven mindset to a more relational, grace-filled understanding of his identity in Christ. He shares how embracing a missional and incarnational approach to ministry has reshaped his vision for church planting and leadership. Listeners will also hear about the challenges Tommy faced in transitioning to church planting, dealing with unmet expectations, and learning the importance of patience and faithfulness in God's timing. He provides valuable insights on redefining success from a Kingdom perspective, empowering the whole body of Christ, and leading with vulnerability and authenticity. Stay tuned to the end as Tommy offers wisdom for younger spiritual leaders, emphasizing the importance of relational and emotional health, and keeping a strong foundation in the gospel. This episode is filled with heartfelt lessons and encouragement for anyone seeking to live missionally and lead with purpose. permissional.com

    1h 50m
  6. From Brokenness to Bold Leadership: Marlan Mincks on Church Planting, Mentorship & Gospel Impact

    02/28/2025

    From Brokenness to Bold Leadership: Marlan Mincks on Church Planting, Mentorship & Gospel Impact

    In this episode of the PerMissional Leadership Podcast, Marlan Mincks shares his remarkable testimony of transformation from a troubled past to discovering his true calling in ministry. From growing up in a nominal Catholic family to finding new life in Christ, Marlan takes us through his journey of becoming a church planter and leader with a unique, relationship-focused approach to ministry. You’ll hear Marlan’s reflections on the challenges of traditional church models, his experiences with church splits, and his vision for creating authentic community through culturally relevant and Christ-centered leadership. Marlan also opens up about the powerful mentors who spoke into his life and how a pivotal church planting assessment revealed his greater calling—leading him to launch the impactful Hope to Walk ministry.With insights on empowering leaders, building micro-churches, and addressing cultural issues with grace, Marlan’s story is both inspiring and challenging. Stay tuned to the end to hear Marlan’s powerful perspective on staying focused on the Gospel and leading in a way that transforms lives. This episode is packed with wisdom for anyone passionate about leadership, ministry, and making a lasting impact.Listen through to discover how Marlan's journey might inspire you in your own mission!  permissional.com

    1h 2m
  7. The Commissioning Pastor: Steve Andrews on Faith, Leadership, Struggles, and Building a Lasting Legacy

    01/21/2025

    The Commissioning Pastor: Steve Andrews on Faith, Leadership, Struggles, and Building a Lasting Legacy

    In this episode of the Permissional Podcast, we talk with Steve Andrews, one of the founding pastors of Kensington Community Church. Steve shares his journey from growing up in Memphis, Tennessee with his faith-filled parents to co-founding Kensington Church in 1990 through his stepping down as lead pastor. He reflects on key moments like his transformative time spent in Kenya in the early days of starting Kensington with a mission to reach people far from God. Steve emphasizes the importance of living with open hands, how he managed God's resources and sent hundreds of people from Kensington to further God's kingdom. He also shares his thoughts on stepping down from leadership and the importance of investing in relationships and staying passionate about the mission God has placed on your heart. This episode is packed with wisdom on leadership, legacy, and living out your faith and purpose.  permissional.com

    2h 9m
  8. From Pepsi to Planting: Nick Boring on Kingdom Collaboration and Church Multiplication

    12/16/2024

    From Pepsi to Planting: Nick Boring on Kingdom Collaboration and Church Multiplication

    Nick Boring is a seasoned leader in church planting and Kingdom collaboration, with a rich background as a Sales & Marketing executive for Fortune 500 companies like Pepsi and General Motors. After two decades in corporate America, he shifted to ministry, serving at Kensington Community Church, where he led the Vision2020 initiative to plant 40 multiplying churches. Now with Stadia and Kingdom Collaboration Ministry, Nick connects and empowers churches, networks, and church planting teams nationwide. He resides in Southern Maryland with his wife, Amy.  permissional.com

    1h 52m
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The PerMissional Leader Podcast exists to inspire church, business, cultural and family leaders to ask, “am I leading like Jesus?”  We’ll do this through in-depth interviews of Permissional like leaders and those they’ve affected, sharing their life stories, successes, failures, and ways they’ve been transformed to live Permissionally.

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  • Creator
    Ed Bellaire and Stephen Bellaire
  • Years Active
    2022 - 2025
  • Episodes
    8
  • Rating
    Clean
  • Copyright
    © 2025 PerMissonal Podcast
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