PerMissonal Podcast

Ed Bellaire and Stephen Bellaire

The PerMissional Leader Podcast exists to inspire church, business, cultural and family leaders to ask, “am I leading like Jesus?”  We’ll do this through in-depth interviews of Permissional like leaders and those they’ve affected, sharing their life stories, successes, failures, and ways they’ve been transformed to live Permissionally.

Episodes

  1. From Ambition to Surrender: Scot Caley on Leadership, Redemption & Disciple-Making

    02/28/2025

    From Ambition to Surrender: Scot Caley on Leadership, Redemption & Disciple-Making

    In this episode, Scot Caley shares his journey from growing up on a farm with a Christian family to becoming a church leader focused on missional discipleship. Scot reflects on the impact of his early family life, where his parents instilled responsibility and trust, shaping him into a leader. He recounts significant mentorship from his youth pastor, Rick Smalling, and influential experiences in sports that helped develop his leadership skills. Scot discusses his transition from pursuing agriculture to ministry, influenced by mentors like Professor Michael Shannon, who encouraged his preaching gifts. He shares candid stories about the highs and lows of church leadership, including rapid church growth, unhealthy ambition, and conflicts within leadership teams. This relentless focus on success strained his family relationships, a lesson Scot learned the hard way. Now, Scot emphasizes a leadership model that empowers others, encouraging fellow church members to use their gifts and focusing on disciple-making rather than personal recognition. He also opens up about his personal battle with pornography addiction, sharing how confession, repentance, and accountability helped him overcome the struggle and heal his marriage. Scot encourages leaders to embrace a Christ-centered, selfless approach, focusing on serving others, living a surrendered life, and pouring themselves out for God's glory. He closes with advice on perseverance in ministry, trusting in God's leading, and finding contentment in obscurity, knowing that ultimate reward comes from God. permissional.com

    1h 57m
  2. Multiplying Disciples, Not Just Churches: Andrew & Sierra Spellman on Simple, Missional Living

    02/28/2025

    Multiplying Disciples, Not Just Churches: Andrew & Sierra Spellman on Simple, Missional Living

    In this episode, Andrew and Sierra Spellman share their personal spiritual journeys and their involvement in the KC Underground movement, emphasizing a relational, disciple-making approach to faith. Sierra discusses her upbringing and the lack of life-to-life mentorship, while Andrew highlights the pivotal role his friend Pete played in his early discipleship. They contrast traditional church models with a disciple-making movement (DMM) focused on multiplying disciples and empowering individuals to lead. The couple introduces practical methods like the Discovery Bible Study (DBS), where participants study scripture, commit to action, and share their learnings. Sierra provides examples of engaging non-believers in spiritual conversations and identifies key steps in nurturing spiritual growth in others. They also discuss the challenges and setbacks in discipleship, the importance of perseverance, and maintaining emotional and spiritual health. Andrew and Sierra highlight their commitment to living missionally, equipping others to do the same, and embracing simplicity in discipleship. Their message encourages listeners to participate in God's mission, build community, and stay rooted in their identity in Christ. The episode concludes with advice on enduring challenges in missional living, adopting a sustainable mindset, and embracing the purpose of spreading the gospel. permissional.com

    1h 47m

About

The PerMissional Leader Podcast exists to inspire church, business, cultural and family leaders to ask, “am I leading like Jesus?”  We’ll do this through in-depth interviews of Permissional like leaders and those they’ve affected, sharing their life stories, successes, failures, and ways they’ve been transformed to live Permissionally.