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It's time to make being a Suns fan more fun. Join Lindsey Smith, Espo, Gerald Bourguet and Saul Bookman for your daily dose of Suns talk. It's analysis, opinion and just more than a little bit of fun. It's the PHNX Suns Podcast.

PHNX Suns Podcast PHNX

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It's time to make being a Suns fan more fun. Join Lindsey Smith, Espo, Gerald Bourguet and Saul Bookman for your daily dose of Suns talk. It's analysis, opinion and just more than a little bit of fun. It's the PHNX Suns Podcast.

    Devin Booker returns and Deandre Ayton dominates in Phoenix Suns win over Brooklyn Nets

    Devin Booker returns and Deandre Ayton dominates in Phoenix Suns win over Brooklyn Nets

    The Phoenix Suns and Devin Booker defeat the Brooklyn Nets and Cam Thomas 116-112. In Devin Bookers return to action he recorded 19 points, 4 rebounds and 6 assists in 25 minutes of action. He and Mikal Bridges looked great next to one another and Deandre Ayton grabbed another double-double with 35 points and 15 rebounds.

    PLUS! Suns new owner, Mat Ishbia, reportedly was going to hire Isiah Thomas for a role within the Suns front office, but conflicting local reports have emerged.

    Join the PHNX Suns Podcast for the latest in the Suns at Nets postgame show!

    0:00 Intro
    1:00 Welcome to the show!
    2:00 DBook Returns
    3:30 Domin-AYTON
    6:07 Book & Mikal playing together
    11:30 A fully healthy starting 5
    21:50 What's in the Box?
    23:30 Cam Thomas-sanity
    25:11The Isiah Thomas-Suns debacle
    35:15 Mat Ishbia takes over ahead of trade deadline
    28:24 DA to the Mavs?

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    • 1 hr 6 min
    Devin Booker is back, Chris Paul could be gone and the NBA Trade Deadline looms over Phoenix Suns

    Devin Booker is back, Chris Paul could be gone and the NBA Trade Deadline looms over Phoenix Suns

    The NBA trade deadline is just around the corner and the Phoenix Suns are expected to be very active before the deadline comes. Kyrie Irving was traded to the Dallas Mavericks, are the Suns eyeing Kevin Durant or is there a name we haven’t heard yet? Today on the PHNX Suns Podcast we’re joined by a variety of Valley Voices to discuss what the Suns options are and what moves we’d like to see happen.

    Plus! Devin Booker is expected to return to play tomorrow in Brooklyn! All that and more. Tune in!

    0:00 Intro
    1:10 Welcome to the show!
    2:10 Jason Rowley "resigns"
    7:25 DBook set to return
    14:10 Thoughts on the Kyrie trade
    20:07 Are the Mavs actually better?
    25:00 CP3 trade rumors
    47:37 The impending NBA Trade Deadline
    50:00 Potential Pascal Siakam Trade
    57:05 Potential Jerami Grant trade
    1:02:05 Jazz's Clarkson and Vanderbilt to Phoenix?
    1:07:03 OG Anunoby for Cam Johnson
    1:12:00 Poeltl and Siakam to PHX in 3-team trade?
    1:16:23 3-team trade that lands Suns Kuzma?
    1:19:30 McDermott, Hield, Poeltl, oh my!
    1:22:30 Hawks-Jazz-Suns 3-team trade
    1:24:35 Could Bones Hyland be the future?
    1:27:30 Matt Ishbia set to take ownership tomorrow

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    • 1 hr 35 min
    Deandre Ayton destroyed the Detroit Pistons as Phoenix Suns win back-to-back

    Deandre Ayton destroyed the Detroit Pistons as Phoenix Suns win back-to-back

    The Phoenix Suns and Mikal Bridges defeat the Detroit Pistons and Saddiq Bey 116-100. Deandre Ayton had himself another solid performance finishing with 31 points and 16 rebounds. From top to bottom the Suns played with energy and hustle and were rewarded with a W. Join the PHNX Suns Podcast for the Suns at Pistons postgame show.

    1:00 Intro
    3:30 DOMINAYTON
    29:30 What's in the box?
    34:48 Deandre Ayton's performance this season
    43:28 Charles Barkley on the “All the Smoke” podcast

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    • 59 min
    In midst of Kyrie Irving Rumors, the Phoenix Suns shock the Boston Celtics

    In midst of Kyrie Irving Rumors, the Phoenix Suns shock the Boston Celtics

    The Phoenix Suns and Chris Paul defeat the Boston Celtics and Jayson Tatum 106-94. Mikal Bridges had another 20+ point night, his fourth in a row, and knocked down some tough shots. The Suns showed up defensively and got the job done. PLUS! Kyrie Irving wants out of Brooklyn, could the Suns be a landing spot? Does this mean Kevin Durant might become available as well? We'll talk all that and more on the PHNX Suns Podcast Suns at Celtics postgame show.

    1:00 Intro
    2:00 Initial Reactions
    5:55 What's in the box?
    8:10 Jock Landale on fire!
    11:21 Deandre Ayton domination
    15:00 Home vs road games
    26:44 Mikal Bridges on a heater
    30:10 More and more flowers
    31:40 Trade talk with Kyrie Irving
    1:02:50 Devin Booker got snubbed from the All Star game

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    • 1 hr 18 min
    TPSP: Should Have Seen That Coming

    TPSP: Should Have Seen That Coming

    After much anticipation and high hopes, Arizona Cardinals fans were disappointed to hear Sean Payton is becoming the next head coach of the Denver Broncos. So who will the Cardinals next head coach be? The Phoenix Suns are hurting without their best player on the court but thankfully Devin Booker is on his way back. Arizona State has a new Quarterback in the mix, five-star athlete Jaden Rashada announced he is committing to Sun Devil Football yesterday. What does this mean for Kenny Dillingham and the program?

    PLUS, the Arizona Diamondbacks unveiled a new sponsor patch on their uniforms and it is AWFUL.

    Join Makayla Perkins and Shawn DePaz for another episode of THE Phoenix Sports Podcast!


    1:00 Intro
    4:45 Kyrie Irving requesting a trade
    7:09 Do the Phoenix suns want Kyrie Irving?
    23:40 Sean Payton officially the head coach of the Denver Broncos
    41:02 Jaden Rashada commits to Arizona State
    51:00 MLB Offseason grades
    53:20 Ugly new patches

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    • 1 hr 2 min
    Outside Shots with Eddie Johnson: The Phoenix Suns will trade for Who?

    Outside Shots with Eddie Johnson: The Phoenix Suns will trade for Who?

    The Phoenix Suns are days away from finalizing their roster, but who will be on it and where will Jae Crowder go? Also, Lebron James antics weren’t loved by all, but what will Eddie Johnson say? Join the fellas for another Outside Shots!

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    • 58 min

Customer Reviews

4.3 out of 5
318 Ratings

318 Ratings

Mike Shumway ,

Go PHNX!!

Love the amazing combo of Saul, Espo, Lindsey, and Gerald!! I appreciate the post game scoops from Gerald. Expo’s enthusiasm is off the chain! Lindsey always brings the crew back to center and has top tier segues! Always appreciate Saul’s UofA roots, Bear Down! This is a must listen pod for any Suns level of fan. Y’all have to catch the newest segment with EJ, EPIC!

DaSh_1416 ,

Great Content!

I love listening to this podcast to catch up on what’s happening with the Suns. It’s a good casual listen with great content to keep you updated.

ScooterMcgaven ,

Causal Fans

It’s clear this group does not understand much about the game.

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