Chad Kultgen — novelist, screenwriter, co-creator of Game of Roses (a.k.a. Bachelor Clues), co-host of Dudesy, and host of YouTube's The Necessary Conversation — joins Podsongs for a 90-minute interview with guest host Robin Dann of the Toronto art-pop band Bernice. Robin is a two-time Polaris Music Prize nominee with Bernice, and on this episode she steps into the host seat to dig into the ideas driving Chad's work: kayfabe, reality TV as sport, AI, and the politics of nihilism.The conversation covers kayfabe in professional wrestling and how the same logic now shapes The Bachelor, reality TV at large, social media, and American politics — including villain edits, engineered viral trends, and the "four audiences" framework from Game of Roses. They discuss the primary world shifting onto screens, what AR, Neuralink-style tech, and AI tools like Suno mean for art, labor, and music, and whether AI music will disrupt songwriting the way AI has disrupted comedy on Dudesy.Chad opens up about his nihilistic worldview, his position on free will, and how he navigates political conversations with his MAGA-supporting parents on The Necessary Conversation. The episode also gets into his day-to-day creative grind, his musical background and regrets about not studying music formally, his Logic production setup, his obsession with Mormon influencer culture, and the producer mindset he learned from Elon Gale. Robin talks about her own musical roots — jazz studies, Paris, a master's at Goldsmiths — the Toronto scene, Bernice's work in Italy, and her ASMR obsession. The two close by agreeing to collaborate on a song drawn from the interview.The song that came out of this conversation, "Let's Go Supernova," was written by Robin Dann and is released May 1.Guests:Chad Kultgen (Bachelor Clues, Game of Roses, Dudesy, The Necessary Conversation) — https://www.youtube.com/@TheNecessaryConversationRobin Dann (Bernice) — https://bernicemusic.comSong:"Let's Go Supernova" — written by Robin Dann. Pre-save: https://ffm.to/gosupernovaPodsongs:https://podsongs.com00:00 Welcome and Guests00:34 Meet Robin Dan03:20 Musical Roots and Training03:48 Paris London and Goldsmiths05:07 Awards Scene and Touring06:52 Italy Grants and Logistics09:04 ASMR Obsession Explained11:29 Bachelor as Sport15:30 Who Is Chad Colchin22:10 Chad Joins the Call25:57 Kayfabe and Reality36:03 Doodsy and AI Comedy39:44 Parasocial Primary World41:59 AR Future and Art Labor50:07 AI Music Disruption50:27 Suno AI Songmaking51:38 Mormon Influencer Obsession53:51 Cracks in Kayfabe55:04 Engineered Viral Trends57:47 Nihilism With Humor01:01:19 Parents Politics No Free Will01:03:49 Day in the Life Grind01:05:15 Weed and Creativity01:06:41 Ultimate Goal Reality01:09:56 Music Roots and Regrets01:13:47 Theme Song Looping01:16:16 Reality TV Spy Secrets01:20:36 Four Audiences Explained01:21:34 Pit Dwellers Community01:23:15 John Wilson Edit Kayfabe01:24:37 Pitching The Bracket01:25:59 Elon Gale Producer Mindset01:28:01 Goodbyes and Collab Plans01:31:05 Post Interview Debrief01:32:36 Saint Berenice Plug01:33:28 Final Song Playback// SUPPORT THIS CHANNEL //Newsletter, donations and download the song for €/$1 @ https://podsongs.com// LINKS //Website: https://podsongs.comPodcast episodes: https://podsongs.com/podcast-episodesSongs: https://podsongs.com/musicSpotify artist: https://open.spotify.com/artist/32FYyRx1y1ex3jHHAgLMC7?si=4Nv7WW85SbSPZvCsj1o7IgSpotify playlist: https://open.spotify.com/playlist/6sN1viy82HPiNTVX2YBxpq?si=1b84c2b9bdea4656// SOCIAL //Twitter: https://twitter.com/podsongsInstagram: https://instagram.com/podsongsFacebook: https://facebook.com/podsongs
