27 episodes

What can be positive about disintegration? Join us for an exploration of positive disintegration through conversation and shared stories. It’s a framework for understanding a variety of intense experiences that often look and feel like mental illness, but which can also be viewed as building blocks for creating an authentic personality.

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Positive Disintegration Podcast Emma Nicholson and Dr. Chris Wells

    • Health & Fitness
    • 5.0 • 20 Ratings

What can be positive about disintegration? Join us for an exploration of positive disintegration through conversation and shared stories. It’s a framework for understanding a variety of intense experiences that often look and feel like mental illness, but which can also be viewed as building blocks for creating an authentic personality.

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    Through the Neurodivergent Mirror

    Through the Neurodivergent Mirror

    In episode 27, Chris and Emma were joined by Dr. Tracy Winter, an ICF-credentialed coach with a PhD in Human Development. In her coaching practice, she works with neurodivergent adults and specializes in the gifted / 2e population. We talked about Tracy’s dissertation research on gifted adults “being seen,” where most of her participants fell into two groups: they were not seen as gifted, or they were mis-seen in a way that was not aligned with their self-perceptions.
    We discuss the importance of “mirroring”—finding yourself reflected in others—and the loneliness that can happen when we are not seen for our authentic selves, even when we have a support network around us. Tracy holds up a “flat mirror” with clients to help them see themselves accurately, and we talk about how devastating it feels when neurodivergent and gifted people only see ourselves in a distorted “funhouse mirror” if they cannot find people like themselves to connect with.
    Tracy talks to us about overexcitability in neurodivergent clients, and what it’s like to work with the Theory of Positive Disintegration in her practice. She shares other developmental models she finds helpful, including Kegan’s Subject-Object Theory of Development and Cook-Greuter's Constructive Developmental Theory in her work, along with classic theorists such as Erikson.
    We talk about the difference between a coach and a therapist, what you can expect from an ICF-certified coach, and the importance of an authentic relationships in both clinical work and coaching. We also discuss the activation of dynamisms in clients, and the benefits and pitfalls of nudging someone into disintegration, and the importance of “meeting people where they are” when talking about experiencing a disintegration—whether that be with a client or with a loved one in a relationship.
    Links from this episode:
    Nerd Coach (Tracy’s Website)
    Download Tracy’s dissertation from the Media tab of her website
    Tracy on LinkedIn
    Tracy’s episode on Unleash Monday
    Emma’s Triangle of Loneliness video
    Chris’s paper on the Inner Experience of Giftedness [PDF download]
    SENG
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    • 56 min
    Experiences Being Profoundly Gifted: Part 2

    Experiences Being Profoundly Gifted: Part 2

    In episode 26, we continued the conversation with Nth Bar-Fields and Joi Lin in the second half of our two-part series about their experiences as profoundly gifted individuals.
    In Part 2, we talked about health and mental health issues, including experiences with substances and addiction. We discussed how being neurodivergent can also lead to diversity in the realm of physical health and how medical providers may not be equipped to deal with our needs.
    We mentioned the overexcitabilities and how they manifest in our lives. We acknowledged that these intense experiences and curiosity might lead us to want to explore things in both the inner and outer worlds.
    We also talked about saving the world. How we can do our own small part locally, playing to our strengths, and the value of collaborating with other gifted people to make a real difference within our communities and globally.
    Links from this episode
    Elysian Trust
    Chris’s episode with Jen Harvey Sallin on Conversations on Gifted Trauma was mentioned because that episode was recorded the morning of the episodes with Nth and Joi.
    Interested in joining Elysian Trust? The email address is info@elysiantrust.org
    Click here to find out more about the six Elysian Trust member societies.
    News: The Dabrowski Center now has an official mailing list. We don’t want to assume that because you’ve subscribed to the podcast, you want to be on our general mailing list. If you do, please subscribe here for our monthly newsletter and information about the 2024 Dabrowski Congress.
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    Join the Adults with Overexcitabilities group on Facebook
    Please, consider supporting the podcast. Positive Disintegration is brought to you by the Dabrowski Center.
    If you enjoyed this episode on Apple or Spotify, remember to click on the stars and leave a rating or write a review. Thank you!
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    • 51 min
    Experiences Being Profoundly Gifted: Part 1

    Experiences Being Profoundly Gifted: Part 1

    In episode 25, Chris and Emma were joined by Nth Bar-Fields and Joi Lin. This fascinating and fun discussion was too long for one episode, so we’ve split it into two for your listening enjoyment!
    Nth is a co-founder of Elysian Trust, and Joi is a doctoral student in Gifted Education Leadership at the University of Denver. Chris joined Nth and Joi in March 2022 for a panel session called Experiences Being Highly and Profoundly Gifted at the DU Gifted Education Policy Symposium and Conference. This episode is a product of that collaboration, and covers some of the same ground.
    We talked about what it means to be profoundly gifted (PG), which we defined as the 99.9th percentile of intelligence. Joi and Nth introduced themselves and shared their PG journeys, and talked about the challenges involved in this difference. We also discussed breaking socialization and transcending boundaries as outliers, including what that means for gender identity and gender differences.
    Part one concludes with a discussion of the various types of intuition. We discuss how intuitive thinking applies to being gifted and how this type of thinking can lead to challenges and impostor syndrome.
    Make sure you join us again for part two of this conversation!
    Links for this episode
    Elysian Trust
    Experiences Being HG/PG Panel at DU’s 2022 GEPSC
    Mensa
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    • 1 hr 2 min
    Through the Lens of Youth

    Through the Lens of Youth

    **Content warning**: Please be aware that this episode contains sensitive topics such as depression, disturbing mental imagery, and suicidal ideation.
    In episode 24, Chris and Emma were joined by Lance Johnson, a college student from Colorado who studies Dabrowski’s theory. Chris and Lance first met in 2019, and they’ve spent many hours together talking about the theory over the past few years.
    We discussed the downsides of strong imaginational overexcitability, such as disturbing or intrusive mental imagery and its impact. Lance shared his experiences of depression and mood swings, which led him to wonder if he had bipolar disorder. We also talked about the blessings of a strong imagination, such as using it for mental rehearsal and planning projects.
    He discussed what he has learned thanks to studying the theory, such as intentionally engaging in autopsychotherapy and self-education. The theory of positive disintegration gave him hope and direction in his development. We talked about the journey of authenticity and the struggles inherent in that process of peeling back layers, digging deeper, and facing oneself courageously.
    Lance talked about what it’s like to grow up in a rural area and realize that he was gay and how he has navigated that aspect of his identity and the feelings of otherness he’s experienced at times. He shared advice for other young people who resonate with his story, such as finding true peers and meaningful connections and accepting one’s differences.
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    • 58 min
    Explorations in Gifted Diversity

    Explorations in Gifted Diversity

    In episode 23, Chris and Emma were joined by psychologist Jennifer Harvey Sallin, founder of InterGifted, a worldwide community and support organization for gifted adults. This conversation is a celebration of gifted diversity in adulthood! We talked about what giftedness can look like in adults, how it manifests, and the great range of diversity within giftedness. Jen shared her model of giftedness with us, which describes the areas of giftedness, and shows how everyone’s ‘gifted profile’ can look different.
    What is success, and what does it mean in today's commercial context? Jen described being a generalist or “multipotentialite,” and going against the normal expectations society might have for gifted people and their careers. We discussed the beauty of doing things that bring meaning to you and trying many things in life, as opposed to being a “specialist” or trying to conform to what others think success should mean.
    We addressed considerations for therapists, clinicians, and coaches when working with the gifted. Jen shared the story of creating InterGifted and filling the need for an international community in this population. She is one of the few people in the world who provide training for clinicians and coaches working with the gifted, and we talked about that work as well.
    Resources mentioned in this episode
    InterGifted website
    Rediscovering Yourself (Jen’s website)
    Gifted Psychology 101
    Daniels & Piechowski’s book Living With Intensity
    High, Exceptional, and Profound Giftedness (Chris mentioned this link around the 11-minute mark)
    Chris joined Jen on her podcast Conversations on Gifted Trauma
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    Join the Adults with Overexcitabilities group on Facebook
    Please, consider supporting the podcast. Positive Disintegration is brought to you by the Dabrowski Center.
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    • 55 min
    Nonviolent Communication

    Nonviolent Communication

    In episode 22, Chris and Emma talked with Bob Yamtich, a coach who uses Nonviolent Communication to build poise, joy, self-connection, and choice. We talked about Nonviolent Communication with Bob, as well as empathy, needs, and strategies. We discussed shared connection and living in a shared reality, as well as connection requests. This is a primer in NVC with someone who lives it and uses it as a coach.
    Bob and Chris worked through an issue she had on social media and how she might have handled it differently. We talked about having the option, but not the obligation, to engage in a restorative process. We had an open and vulnerable discussion about how to navigate challenging interactions.
    Resources from this episode
    Bob’s website
    Bob on Twitter
    Marshall B. Rosenberg’s book Nonviolent Communication (Indiebound)
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    If you enjoyed this episode on Apple or Spotify, remember to click on the stars and leave a rating or write a review. Thank you!
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