"I'm a believer that something is there" - Joe Kinsley For nearly 30 years, Joe Kinsley worked inside Nevada’s prison system, beginning his career in 1985 at the old Nevada State Prison in Carson City. What started as a practical decision for steady work and a pension became a decades-long career that placed him inside maximum-security housing, death row, inmate transportation, prison industries, and some of the most difficult parts of correctional life. In this candid conversation, Dr. Karen Gedney and Joe reflect on what it was really like to work behind the walls during a very different era of corrections. Joe shares how he entered the profession, why so many officers stayed, and the physical and emotional toll the job could take. He also describes the strange adjustment of moving between ordinary life and a maximum-security environment where violence, hostage situations, and extreme behavior could become part of the workday. Joe recalls his early years at Nevada State Prison, including time assigned to death row and maximum housing. He discusses the psychological weight of working around men convicted of serious crimes, the stress that followed him away from the institution, and the complicated relationships that sometimes developed between correctional staff and the people they supervised. Karen and Joe also explore the very different responsibilities of custody and medical staff. Correctional officers were trained to remain skeptical and alert to manipulation, while medical professionals had to take complaints seriously enough to avoid missing a dangerous condition. Their conversation reveals how staffing shortages, security concerns, federal requirements, medical needs, and inmate behavior could collide inside the system. The episode also examines the programs Joe believed gave incarcerated people the greatest chance of succeeding after release. He points to education, carpentry, welding, prison industries, structured routines, communication training, and life-skills programs as some of the most valuable tools available. Joe shares examples of men who left prison with real certifications and marketable skills, as well as others who struggled to use those opportunities once they returned to the outside world. Throughout the conversation, Joe and Karen reflect on the unexpected humanity that existed within the prison environment. They remember incarcerated men who protected staff, enforced their own standards of behavior, warned officers of danger, and used their intelligence and skills to help others. Joe describes Nevada State Prison as a world of its own—a place containing people from every educational, economic, and social background, along with talents that were often hidden behind a prison number. The conversation eventually turns to second chances. After watching people change over decades, both Joe and Karen question what justice should look like for someone who committed a terrible crime as a teenager but later spent 30 or 40 years demonstrating maturity, responsibility, and change. Their discussion does not excuse the harm caused by crime, but it asks whether a person should forever be defined by the worst act of their youth. After retirement, Joe returned to Nevada State Prison in a very different role. Through his involvement with the Nevada State Prison Preservation Society, he began helping preserve the history of the institution and participating in tours, ghost walks, paranormal investigations, and the Dark Prison Haunt. Joe says he never experienced anything paranormal while he was working inside the prison. It was only after retirement that he began to notice what he describes as unusual energy in certain areas, including the former women’s housing unit near the death chamber. Although he has never personally seen an apparition, he has witnessed photographs, recordings, and other unexplained results captured by visitors and paranormal investigators. As Joe says: “I’m a believer that there’s something there.” From death row and hostage stories to rehabilitation, prison culture, second chances, and unexplained activity inside one of Nevada’s most historic institutions, this episode captures the many kinds of echoes that remain long after the prison doors close. In this episode: Joe’s path from the construction trades into correctionsNearly 30 years working in Nevada’s prison systemDeath row and maximum-security housingThe emotional toll of correctional workHostage incidents and inmate cultureThe tension between custody and medical responsibilitiesEducation, welding, carpentry, and prison industriesStructure, communication, and rehabilitationIncarcerated people who protected and helped staffThe meaning of second chances after decades in prisonThe history of Nevada State PrisonGhost walks, paranormal investigations, and Dark Prison HauntWhy Joe now believes something unexplained may remain inside the prisonTo learn more about the podcast, explore resources, hear additional episodes, or purchase Dr. Karen Gedney’s book, 30 Years Behind Bars: Trials of a Prison Doctor, visit PrisonUnlocked.com. 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