Process Over Product

Trevor Thomas
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There are two clay classes. One is tasked with replicating the perfect vase — a product. The other is told to create as many pots as possible — a process. The process group obviously makes more work, but surprisingly, they also make better work. The result runs counter to what we’re taught about control, perfection, and outcomes. This is the essence of Process Over Product: a podcast about what actually happens in the studio — the uncertainty, the decisions, pressure, and work underneath the work. Join artists Trevor Wade Thomas and Kelsey Kopp as we discuss process in the world of art.

Episodes

  1. MAR 16

    Skill vs. Talent

    In this episode of Process Over Product, artists Trevor Wade Thomas and Kelsey Kopp explore the long-standing question of skill versus talent in artistic practice. They discuss how talent is often perceived as an innate ability, while skill is built through repetition, study, and sustained effort over time. The conversation looks at how these ideas shape expectations around artistic growth, and how an overemphasis on talent can discourage artists who are still developing their abilities. Trevor and Kelsey reflect on their own experiences learning to draw and paint, and how deliberate practice, observation, and persistence have played a far greater role in their development than any notion of natural ability. Rather than framing success as something predetermined, this episode considers how skill is cultivated through time in the studio and a willingness to stay engaged with the work. Kelsey Kopp is a landscape painter whose work is rooted in observation, repetition, and sustained engagement with place. Her practice emphasizes process as a way of understanding time, light, and perception rather than arriving at a fixed image. Find Kelsey on instagram @kelsey_kopp_art Trevor Wade Thomas is a painter and educator working primarily from observation. His practice centers on drawing, material process, and the relationship between labor, memory, and making. He is the founder of Oil and Earth Studio YouTube Channel, where he explores craft, teaching, and long-form artistic inquiry. You can find Trevor online at www.trevorwadethomas.com , on YouTube at www.youtube.com/oilandearthstudio , or on Instagram @twtfineart

    27 min

  2. MAR 8

    Documenting and Archiving Your Studio

    In this episode of Process Over Product, artists Trevor Wade Thomas and Kelsey Kopp discuss the process of inventory and documentation in the studio. Following the recent flood in Trevor’s studio, he shares the experience of cataloging and assessing the work, materials, and objects that make up a studio practice. What began as a necessary response to disruption becomes a broader conversation about why documenting work matters. Together they explore how maintaining an inventory can support the practical side of an artist’s life—from understanding the scope of one’s work and managing a studio more clearly, to improving organization, tracking, and communication with galleries and collectors. The conversation also considers how the act of reviewing past work can shape artistic direction and reveal patterns in a body of work that may not be obvious while making it. This episode looks at inventory not simply as administration, but as a reflective process that can bring clarity to both the business and creative sides of a studio practice. Kelsey Kopp is a landscape painter whose work is rooted in observation, repetition, and sustained engagement with place. Her practice emphasizes process as a way of understanding time, light, and perception rather than arriving at a fixed image. Find Kelsey on instagram @kelsey_kopp_art Trevor Wade Thomas is a painter and educator working primarily from observation. His practice centers on drawing, material process, and the relationship between labor, memory, and making. He is the founder of Oil and Earth Studio YouTube Channel, where he explores craft, teaching, and long-form artistic inquiry. You can find Trevor online at www.trevorwadethomas.com , on YouTube at www.youtube.com/oilandearthstudio , or on Instagram @twtfineart

    25 min

  3. MAR 1

    Workshop Do’s and Don’ts

    In this episode of Process Over Product, artists Trevor Wade Thomas and Kelsey Kopp discuss workshops—why artists take them, what they actually offer, and whether they are worth the investment. They explore what workshops can provide beyond technical instruction: exposure to new ways of seeing, immersion in focused time, and the value of learning inside a temporary community of working artists. The conversation also addresses common questions about cost, expectations, and how to evaluate whether a workshop is right for you. Trevor and Kelsey share some of their most meaningful workshop takeaways, reflecting on the lessons that stayed with them long after the event ended. Rather than treating workshops as shortcuts, this episode considers them as catalysts—experiences that can accelerate growth, clarify direction, and reconnect artists to their practice. Kelsey Kopp is a landscape painter whose work is rooted in observation, repetition, and sustained engagement with place. Her practice emphasizes process as a way of understanding time, light, and perception rather than arriving at a fixed image. Find Kelsey on instagram @kelsey_kopp_art Trevor Wade Thomas is a painter and educator working primarily from observation. His practice centers on drawing, material process, and the relationship between labor, memory, and making. He is the founder of Oil and Earth Studio YouTube Channel, where he explores craft, teaching, and long-form artistic inquiry. You can find Trevor online at www.trevorwadethomas.com , on YouTube at www.youtube.com/oilandearthstudio , or on Instagram @twtfineart

    37 min

  4. FEB 22

    Why Museums and Galleries Matter

    After taking a week away, Process Over Product returns with a conversation about the importance of seeing art in person. Artists Trevor Wade Thomas and Kelsey Kopp reflect on recent visits to the Nelson-Atkins Museum of Art and the Pissarro exhibition at the Denver Art Museum, discussing what happens when work is encountered directly rather than through reproduction. From there, the conversation expands to the role of galleries and why artists benefit from regularly experiencing work in physical space. They explore the relationship between gallery, artist, and audience, and how these environments shape understanding, context, and dialogue around the work. Rather than treating museums and galleries as distant or formal spaces, this episode considers them essential places for artists to study, orient themselves, and remain connected to a larger cultural conversation. Kelsey Kopp is a landscape painter whose work is rooted in observation, repetition, and sustained engagement with place. Her practice emphasizes process as a way of understanding time, light, and perception rather than arriving at a fixed image. Find Kelsey on instagram @kelsey_kopp_art Trevor Wade Thomas is a painter and educator working primarily from observation. His practice centers on drawing, material process, and the relationship between labor, memory, and making. He is the founder of Oil and Earth Studio YouTube Channel, where he explores craft, teaching, and long-form artistic inquiry. You can find Trevor online at www.trevorwadethomas.com , on YouTube at www.youtube.com/oilandearthstudio , or on Instagram @twtfineart

    38 min

  5. FEB 7

    The Fear of Failure

    In this episode of Process Over Product, artists Trevor Wade Thomas and Kelsey Kopp take a direct look at the fear of failure and how it operates inside a real studio practice. They define what failure actually means for artists, where fear tends to show up in the making process, and how it often disguises itself as hesitation, perfectionism, or avoidance. The conversation moves through the different moments fear appears—before starting, in the middle of a piece, and after work is finished—and how it quietly shapes decision-making if left unexamined. Trevor and Kelsey share practical ways they work alongside fear rather than trying to eliminate it, reframing failure as part of building judgment, momentum, and continuity over time. This episode is about staying engaged with the work even when certainty is unavailable. Kelsey Kopp is a landscape painter whose work is rooted in observation, repetition, and sustained engagement with place. Her practice emphasizes process as a way of understanding time, light, and perception rather than arriving at a fixed image. Find Kelsey on instagram @kelsey_kopp_art Trevor Wade Thomas is a painter and educator working primarily from observation. His practice centers on drawing, material process, and the relationship between labor, memory, and making. He is the founder of Oil and Earth Studio YouTube Channel, where he explores craft, teaching, and long-form artistic inquiry. You can find Trevor online at www.trevorwadethomas.com , on YouTube at www.youtube.com/oilandearthstudio , or on Instagram @twtfineart

    25 min

  6. JAN 30

    When Your Studio is Taken from You

    In this episode of Process Over Product, artists Trevor Wade Thomas and Kelsey Kopp talk about what happens when a studio is suddenly taken away. Trevor shares the experience of losing his studio to a flood, the immediate disruption to daily practice, and the uncertainty surrounding potential damage to years of work. The conversation moves through the emotional and practical realities of loss, interruption, and not knowing what comes next. Together, Trevor and Kelsey reflect on how artists continue when the physical conditions that support their work disappear—what breaks, what remains, and how process adapts under forced change. Rather than offering quick fixes, this episode sits with uncertainty and explores ways artists can stay connected to their practice when the studio, materials, and routines they rely on are no longer accessible. This episode is for anyone who has experienced disruption, loss, or a sudden pause in their creative life—and is trying to figure out how to keep going when the ground shifts beneath the work. Kelsey Kopp is a landscape painter whose work is rooted in observation, repetition, and sustained engagement with place. Her practice emphasizes process as a way of understanding time, light, and perception rather than arriving at a fixed image. Find Kelsey on instagram @kelsey_kopp_art Trevor Wade Thomas is a painter and educator working primarily from observation. His practice centers on drawing, material process, and the relationship between labor, memory, and making. He is the founder of Oil and Earth Studio YouTube Channel, where he explores craft, teaching, and long-form artistic inquiry. You can find Trevor online at www.trevorwadethomas.com , on YouTube at www.youtube.com/oilandearthstudio , or on Instagram @twtfineart

    21 min

  7. JAN 23

    Artist Block

    In this episode of Process Over Product, artists Trevor Wade Thomas and Kelsey Kopp take a practical look at artist block—what it is, when it shows up, and how it operates inside a real studio practice. They define artist block as a break in momentum rather than a lack of ideas, and talk through the specific moments it tends to appear: before work begins, in the middle of making, and after a piece is finished. The conversation examines how fear, decision pressure, and uncertainty often disguise themselves as hesitation or avoidance. Trevor and Kelsey share the concrete methods they use to work through block at each stage—how they lower stakes to begin, regain footing when stuck mid-process, and re-engage when momentum fades. This episode reframes artist block not as something to eliminate, but as a recurring part of making that artists can learn to recognize and navigate. Kelsey Kopp is a landscape painter whose work is rooted in observation, repetition, and sustained engagement with place. Her practice emphasizes process as a way of understanding time, light, and perception rather than arriving at a fixed image. Find Kelsey on instagram @kelsey_kopp_art Trevor Wade Thomas is a painter and educator working primarily from observation. His practice centers on drawing, material process, and the relationship between labor, memory, and making. He is the founder of Oil and Earth Studio YouTube Channel, where he explores craft, teaching, and long-form artistic inquiry. You can find Trevor online at www.trevorwadethomas.com , on YouTube at www.youtube.com/oilandearthstudio , or on Instagram @twtfineart

    20 min

  8. JAN 16

    Why and How We Show Our Work: Getting Your Art into the World

    In this episode of Process Over Product, artists Trevor Wade Thomas and Kelsey Kopp talk through what it really means to get artwork out of the studio and into the world. The conversation moves between internal and external realities of making: why showing work can feel vulnerable or complicated, who we are actually showing our work to, and how sharing work with other artists differs from sharing it with the broader public. They explore practical questions artists often struggle to answer—when work is ready to be shown, how to think about different platforms and spaces for sharing work, and why circulation is not about self-promotion but about letting work enter dialogue, relationship, and culture. Rather than treating visibility as a marketing problem, this episode frames showing work as a necessary extension of the making process—how work completes itself through witness once it leaves the studio. ⸻ Kelsey Kopp is a landscape painter whose work is rooted in observation, repetition, and sustained engagement with place. Her practice emphasizes process as a way of understanding time, light, and perception rather than arriving at a fixed image. Find Kelsey on instagram @kelsey_kopp_art Trevor Wade Thomas is a painter and educator working primarily from observation. His practice centers on drawing, material process, and the relationship between labor, memory, and making. He is the founder of Oil and Earth Studio YouTube Channel, where he explores craft, teaching, and long-form artistic inquiry. You can find Trevor online at www.trevorwadethomas.com , on YouTube at www.youtube.com/oilandearthstudio , or on Instagram @twtfineart

    24 min

  9. JAN 9

    Identifying Your Process

    In this episode of Process Over Product, artists Trevor Wade Thomas and Kelsey Kopp focus on the actual, tangible actions that make up their studio practices. They talk about what “process” really looks like while making work — not as a fixed formula, but as a living rhythm shaped through repetition, reflection, and experience. The conversation explores whether process is something artists find or something they slowly build over time, and what those differences reveal about temperament, materials, and ways of thinking. Trevor and Kelsey walk through their current painting processes step by step, sharing how they begin, how they make decisions, how they recover when things drift, and what their process ultimately means to the character and direction of their work. This episode is an invitation to notice your own rhythms, habits, and ways of working — and to consider how your process quietly shapes what your work becomes. Kelsey Kopp is a landscape painter whose work is rooted in observation, repetition, and sustained engagement with place. Her practice emphasizes process as a way of understanding time, light, and perception rather than arriving at a fixed image. Find Kelsey on instagram @kelsey_kopp_art Trevor Wade Thomas is a painter and educator working primarily from observation. His practice centers on drawing, material process, and the relationship between labor, memory, and making. He is the founder of Oil and Earth Studio YouTube Channel, where he explores craft, teaching, and long-form artistic inquiry. You can find Trevor online at www.trevorwadethomas.com , on YouTube at www.youtube.com/oilandearthstudio , or on Instagram @twtfineart

    19 min

  10. JAN 2

    Finding Momentum

    In episode 3 of Process Over Product, artists Trevor Wade Thomas and Kelsey Kopp explore how momentum is actually built in the studio—especially when you’re staring at a blank surface or trying to pull a big idea into motion. They talk through what goes into the creative thought process, how they generate and recognize usable ideas, and what they do when things go sideways mid-process. The conversation moves between mindset and action: how to make decisions when clarity hasn’t arrived yet, how to recover when a painting drifts, and how small, intentional moves can rebuild direction without forcing an outcome. This episode is for anyone trying to start new work, restart stalled work, or keep going when the studio feels uncertain. Kelsey Kopp is a landscape painter whose work is rooted in observation, repetition, and sustained engagement with place. Her practice emphasizes process as a way of understanding time, light, and perception rather than arriving at a fixed image. Find Kelsey on instagram @kelsey_kopp_art Trevor Wade Thomas is a painter and educator working primarily from observation. His practice centers on drawing, material process, and the relationship between labor, memory, and making. He is the founder of Oil and Earth Studio YouTube Channel, where he explores craft, teaching, and long-form artistic inquiry. You can find Trevor online at www.trevorwadethomas.com , on YouTube at www.youtube.com/oilandearthstudio , or on Instagram @twtfineart

    29 min

  11. 12/26/2025

    Imposter Syndrome: Friend or Foe?

    In the second episode of Process Over Product, artists Trevor Wade Thomas and Kelsey Kopp confront imposter syndrome — the persistent voice of fear, doubt, and self-questioning that often surfaces in the studio. They unpack what that voice actually is, where it comes from, and how it shows up while painting, making, and trying to move work forward. Through personal stories and studio-level reflection, they explore the ways imposter syndrome can stall decision-making, interrupt momentum, and quietly shape creative choices. As the conversation unfolds, the episode takes an unexpected turn: rather than treating this voice only as an obstacle to overcome, Trevor and Kelsey examine how it might also serve as a strange kind of ally — a signal, a mirror, and even a guide — pointing toward deeper honesty, growth, and intentional making. Kelsey Kopp is a landscape painter whose work is rooted in observation, repetition, and sustained engagement with place. Her practice emphasizes process as a way of understanding time, light, and perception rather than arriving at a fixed image. Find Kelsey on instagram @kelsey_kopp_art Trevor Wade Thomas is a painter and educator working primarily from observation. His practice centers on drawing, material process, and the relationship between labor, memory, and making. He is the founder of Oil and Earth Studio YouTube Channel, where he explores craft, teaching, and long-form artistic inquiry. You can find Trevor online at www.trevorwadethomas.com , on YouTube at www.youtube.com/oilandearthstudio , or on Instagram @twtfineart

    21 min

  12. 12/19/2025

    What is process over product?

    In the first episode of Process Over Product, artists Trevor Wade Thomas and Kelsey Kopp introduce themselves and unpack what process means in their own studio practices. As painters, they discuss how process unfolds during the act of making, how it shapes decision-making, and why it matters more than outcomes. This conversation sets the foundation for exploring the uncertainty, labor, and thinking that happen beneath finished work. Kelsey Kopp is a landscape painter whose work is rooted in observation, repetition, and sustained engagement with place. Her practice emphasizes process as a way of understanding time, light, and perception rather than arriving at a fixed image. Find Kelsey on instagram @kelsey_kopp_art Trevor Wade Thomas is a painter and educator working primarily from observation. His practice centers on drawing, material process, and the relationship between labor, memory, and making. He is the founder of Oil and Earth Studio YouTube Channel, where he explores craft, teaching, and long-form artistic inquiry. You can find Trevor online at www.trevorwadethomas.com , on YouTube at www.youtube.com/oilandearthstudio , or on Instagram @twtfineart

    18 min
  • 12 Episodes

About

There are two clay classes. One is tasked with replicating the perfect vase — a product. The other is told to create as many pots as possible — a process. The process group obviously makes more work, but surprisingly, they also make better work. The result runs counter to what we’re taught about control, perfection, and outcomes. This is the essence of Process Over Product: a podcast about what actually happens in the studio — the uncertainty, the decisions, pressure, and work underneath the work. Join artists Trevor Wade Thomas and Kelsey Kopp as we discuss process in the world of art.

Information

  • Creator
    Trevor Thomas
  • Years Active
    2025 - 2026
  • Episodes
    12
  • Rating
    Explicit
  • Copyright
    © Trevor Thomas
  • Show Website
    Process Over Product