Around the Circle | An Enneagram Channel

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The Enneagram is a map of the human personality. It’s a tool for navigating relationships. It creates language for what motivates us and helps us look at the way we look at everything else. Most importantly the enneagram is a mirror; because sometimes you need help seeing yourself.

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Roots | Enneagram 3 & 1 : Jen & Olivia

Join us a Member : HERE In this first Early Access family episode, Katie Whitlock sits down with a mother–daughter pair to explore how the Enneagram plays out inside real relationships. Jen (Enneagram 3) and Olivia (Enneagram 1) bring both depth and honesty as they reflect on their shared history—shaped by achievement, responsibility, and a deep desire to “do things right.” From childhood dynamics and sibling comparisons to adult friendship and mutual respect, this conversation traces how their relationship has evolved across seasons of life. Together, they unpack the unique strengths of a 3–1 pairing—drive, alignment, and shared vision—alongside the tensions: judgment, emotional restraint, and the pressure to perform.

1 h 1 min
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"The Morning Show" | The Enneagram and Vulnerability

Connect with us : HERE In this Morning Show conversation, we dive into one of the most uncomfortable—but essential—parts of growth: exposure and vulnerability. From the “Enneagram of Avoidances” to the deeper question of what each type refuses to face, this episode explores how avoidance shapes our patterns … and how facing it might be the exact path to what we actually want. We unpack: The core avoidance for each Enneagram typeWhy growth requires contacting what we resistThe tension between healing vs. reopening woundsWhether parts of ourselves should be accepted, integrated, or eradicatedHow vulnerability functions in real relationships and community Along the way, the conversation moves from playful (favorite compliments 👀) to deeply personal—touching on fear, motivation, shadow work, and what it means to actually change.

59 min
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The Reading Room | Chapter Two : "Personality and Wholeness in Therapy"

Sign up for our Around the Circle Membership : HERE This week in the Reading Room, we continue our journey through Personality and Wholeness in Therapy with a deep dive into Chapter Two. This chapter introduces the PDP framework—a fresh attempt to reinterpret the Enneagram through developmental pathways, neuroscience, and narrative data. Along the way, we wrestle with big questions: What actually counts as evidence? How much of personality is fixed? And what role does inner experience play in shaping who we become? The conversation moves between appreciation and critique. We explore the strengths of the narrative tradition—especially its focus on first-person experience—while also pushing back on philosophical assumptions around “true self,” wholeness, and the limits of scientific grounding. We also examine the tension between “types” and “patterns,” the role of automatic behavior, and whether personality constrains or enables real change. Ultimately, this episode lands on a practical and urgent insight: the Enneagram matters because it reveals motive. And if we don’t examine our motives, they quietly run our lives. But when we bring awareness to them, we gain the possibility of real transformation—toward greater balance, integration, and health.

28 min
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Processing Centers | Threes and Ones

In this installment on the Enneagram’s processing centers, Jeff Cook and Katie Whitlock engage When Working Together Doesn’t Work by Joey Schewee, focusing on the doing center through Types One and Three. The conversation explores how these types assess life through action—how progress, productivity, and accomplishment become the primary lens for determining whether things are working. For Ones and Threes, doing is not secondary; it is the ground of evaluation, the place where identity and meaning begin to take shape.

1 h 33 min
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KJ Ramsey | Joy and Pain

What can joy survive? In this conversation, Jeff Cook sits down with licensed trauma therapist and author KJ Ramsey to explore the surprising relationship between pain, joy, identity, and healing. Drawing from her upcoming memoir The Place Between Our Pain, KJ shares how chronic illness, trauma, and the limits of control reshape our understanding of time, self, and what it means to be held. Together, Jeff and KJ examine the tension between despair and hope, the role of the Enneagram in personal growth, and the deep question beneath it all: Can joy still exist when everything falls apart? This episode moves through themes of: Trauma and post-traumatic growthThe “true self” vs. personalityChronic illness and the experience of timeJoy as presence, not performanceAgency, embodiment, and survivalFaith, meaning, and the limits of understanding Whether you're navigating suffering, exploring the Enneagram, or asking deeper philosophical questions about identity and purpose—this conversation offers both honesty and hope. 📘 KJ Ramsey’s Book The Place Between Our Pain: A Memoir of What Joy Can Survive → Pre-order & learn more: https://www.kjramsey.com 🌐 KJ Ramsey Website → https://www.kjramsey.com 🎙️ Around the Circle The Enneagram publishing platform: Podcast • Books • Video • Ongoing formation → Join the community: https://www.aroundthecircle.org → Become a member: https://www.patreon.com/aroundthecircle 📅 Live Event (Colorado) KJ Ramsey + Suzanne Stabile → April 17–18 : HERE

1 h 2 min
31 MAR

"Early Access" | Enneagram 9 | Blake in Utah

What does it feel like to move through life believing your presence doesn’t quite matter? In this episode of Early Access, Katie Whitlock talks with Blake Walker, an Enneagram Nine, about the quiet patterns that shape her life—from avoiding conflict to merging with others’ goals, to the slow realization that her own voice matters. Blake reflects on marriage, motherhood, and building a life that at times felt more aligned with others than herself. Along the way, they explore the Nine’s relationship to energy, anger, and purpose—revealing both the strength and struggle of a type that longs for peace but often loses itself in the process.

51 min
30 MAR

"Inside Story" | Season One Wrap w. Jeff Cook

As we close out Season One of Inside Story, Kristin Messegee and Jeff Cook reflect on what they’ve learned—and where the Enneagram needs to go next. This conversation moves beyond theory into practice. What actually changes us? Why do we avoid our core emotions—anger, shame, and fear—and what does it take to face them? Across the triads, patterns emerge: image types struggle to access shame, body types resist seeing their impact, and head types find subtle ways to avoid anxiety altogether.

1 h 10 min
29 MAR

The Reading Room | Chapter One : "Personality and Wholeness in Therapy"

We’re back for Part Two of our deep dive into Personality and Wholeness in Therapy—and this time, we step into Chapter One. In this episode, we explore three core ideas shaping Dr. Siegel's model. We trace how early temperament forms a kind of filter, how neural pathways reinforce our patterns over time, and why growth is less about changing your type and more about loosening its grip. We also examine Siegel’s integration model—one that calls us not into a different type, but into balance across the centers. We are gathering on Tuesdays to discuss. The sign up is : HERE

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07/11/2025

Afstrick2013

I searched on a long shot when husband exclaimed he wanted to hear more ‘1s’, but it was easier listening to a man’s voice. As the one, I feel like Jeff did a great job “laying us out”. I look forward to checking out his number shows, 5. Thank you!
Enneagram as it’s meant to be!

01/08/2025

LGT33

Jeff and TJ take enneagram to the depths it was intended to go! They also provide a platform for so many enneagram voices and facilitate such rich conversations!
Best enneagram podcast available.

31/03/2025

sueub

Thanks guys for all the hard work. I do love this podcast.
5 stars!

27/03/2025

AllyNoel

I love this podcast. It’s easy to listen to and extremely interesting. I love getting different perspectives and relatable references. The guests are also people I familiar with so that makes sense even more tantalizing.

The Enneagram is a map of the human personality. It’s a tool for navigating relationships. It creates language for what motivates us and helps us look at the way we look at everything else. Most importantly the enneagram is a mirror; because sometimes you need help seeing yourself.