All of us want to make sense of life—of our work, our relationships, and our place in the world. Who are we? Why are we here? What should we do with our lives? And is there a hope I can cling to as I struggle to make a slight difference in the world? Our guest is Steven Garber. He has spent his life as a teacher of many people in many places, including his work as Senior Fellow for Vocation and the Common Good for the M.J. Murdock Charitable Trust, and the Economics of Mutuality Alliance. He was the founding principal for the Washington Institute for Faith, Vocation and Culture. And Steve continues his work as Senior Fellow for the Institute for Marketplace Transformation. Anybody who is a regular listener to this podcast will have heard the name “Steven Garber” mentioned a lot. Not only was he Bob’s doctoral mentor, but he has also influenced many of our previous guests. Steve is the author of some fantastic books, the latest being Hints of Hope: Essays on Making Peace with the Proximate (Paraclete Press, 2026). In our conversation we discuss: * How our work in this broken world can be frustrating and that even the most beautiful things we see and do show signs of that brokenness. * But that we can, and must, work (empowered by God’s Spirit) toward something “proximate” to how God would want things, bringing hints of the hope that is to come. * The Gospel of John begins with ‘The word became flesh.” While this is the center of Christian theology, it is also a statement of pedagogical genius. We discuss how, in the things we do in our various vocations, we see “words become flesh,” in other words, we see that ideas are not just ideas, but that they can result in practical transformation. * Quoting Samwise Gamgee from the Lord of the Rings, we see that good books (and good movies, good music, good poems, good art) tell the truth about the human condition. * We hear the story of the Mars Corporation (M&Ms, Dove, Pringles, Pedigree Wiskers), a family-owned company who wanted to honor God and people with their business. Steve was asked to help them think through what it might look like to have a more complex bottom line than just about making money, creating a sustainable business model that seeks the flourishing of all entities in the business ecosystem (from the procuring of chocolate from African farmers, all the way to the end user eating a Snickers bar). * They created the Mutuality of Economics Alliance, a model for business that puts human and environmental flourishing at the heart of value creation. * Oxford University’s Saïd Business School teamed with the Economics of Mutuality group to publish Putting Purpose into Practice: The Economics of Mutuality, which is now free online. * Steve mentioned the book Completing Capitalism: Heal Business to Heal the World by Bruno Roche (chief economist for Mars, Inc.) and Jay Jakub (Senior Director of External Research at Mars Inc.), a practical book that sees capitalism as more complete when generating financial capital is joined with generating human, social, and natural capital. Scroll down to learn more about Steven Garber. Thanks for listening! If you enjoyed this podcast, please share it with your friends! Your hosts are Dr. Bob Robinson and David Loughney. For further resources on reintegrating all of life with God’s mission, go to re-integrate.org. Steven Garber Steven Garber served as the Professor of Marketplace Theology at Regent College for several years. He also served as adjunct professor of the Doctor of Ministry in Faith, Vocation, and Culture at Covenant Theological Seminary (where he mentored Bob as he researched how to reintegrate the mission of God with the mission of human vocations). Garber is also the author of Visions of Vocation: Common Grace for the Common Good, The Seamless Life: A Tapestry of Love and Learning, Worship and Work, and The Fabric of Faithfulness: Weaving Together Belief and Behavior. Together with his wife Meg, he lives near children and grandchildren in Virginia. Support independent booksellers! Purchase any of the books mentioned above from Byron and Beth Borger at Hearts & Minds Bookstore. They are eager to serve God’s people with great books. Order online through their secure server or call 717-246-3333. Ask for 20% OFF by mentioning that you heard about these books on the Reintegrate Podcast! Get full access to Bob Robinson’s Substack at bobrobinsonre.substack.com/subscribe