Mark Nash spent 15 years at Blizzard Entertainment before helping build Humble Games into one of indie gaming's most respected publishing platforms. He later founded the Black Game Developer Fund, supporting underrepresented creators across the industry. Then, on July 23, 2024, the entire Humble Games team was laid off. Eighteen months later, Mark returned as the co-founder and COO of Balor Games, helping redefine what modern indie publishing can be.In this conversation, recorded remotely on Riverside, Greg Off and Mark trace that journey—from a pre-YouTube World of Warcraft machinima that landed him a job at Blizzard, to launching the world's first 24-hour gaming livestream, growing Humble Games into a publisher supporting more than 50 studios, and navigating one of the industry's most talked-about shutdowns before rebuilding from the ground up.They also explore the future of indie publishing, why community remains the most powerful marketing tool in games, the role publishers should play in supporting developers, and Mark's "train stations, train tracks, and trains" framework for building lasting game IP across multiple forms of media. Along the way, they discuss leadership, resilience, diversity initiatives, Game Pass, BitSummit, and what it takes to build sustainable studios in today's industry.The conversation closes with Mark's reflections on rebuilding after adversity, the lessons he'd pass on to aspiring founders and publishing leaders, and the games that continue to inspire his thinking today.For game developers, publishers, studio leaders, founders, and anyone interested in the future of indie games, this is an essential conversation about resilience, community, and building the next generation of game publishing.About re:Play:Long-form conversations with the people who built the games industry—peer to peer, not press to talent. Hosted by Greg Off.Find Mark Nash:https://www.linkedin.com/in/marknash/Learn more about Balor Games:https://balorgames.comFind re:Play:https://replaypodcast.comSubscribe to the re:Play Substack:https://gregoff1.substack.com