Episode 9 is the one where Brian Wise and Michael Mackenzie briefly mistake themselves for an IT helpdesk, a sports panel, and a moral philosophy seminar—before landing, somewhat dazed, back in music. It opens with Wise declaring he “can’t stand” the sound of his own voice (a bold confession for a career built on talking), while Mackenzie offers the sort of praise that feels both affectionate and faintly menacing: “the voice of a generation.” Before the audio collapses entirely, the conversation sprints through Wise’s great sporting exertion: the exhausting labour of watching sport. There’s genuine distress at skier Lindsey Vonn crashing out in 13 seconds, complete with a description of pain you could feel through the screen. From there, the mood whiplashes into the Super Bowl halftime show—Wise calls Bad Bunny’s performance the best he’s ever seen, even while admitting he couldn’t understand a word of it. Mackenzie, meanwhile, is stuck on the visuals of sugar cane cutting and its historical echoes closer to home. Their consensus: if Donald Trump calls it the worst halftime show ever, that’s basically a five-star review. Then comes one of Wise’s purest modern urges: gadget-lust triggered by sport. Spotting tennis champion Elena Rybakina wearing a watch post-match, he consults “our friend AI” and discovers it’s a Vanguard Orb worth a mere $200,000. At which point the show finally pivots to the Grammys—specifically the stuff that doesn’t make the glossy broadcast. Wise notes that Fela Kuti received a posthumous Lifetime Achievement Award, nearly 30 years after his death at 58, making him the first African musician to be honoured that way. They sketch Kuti as both musical revolutionary and political force, the Afrobeat originator whose trance-like repetition and complex grooves seeped into Remain in Light and My Life in the Bush of Ghosts. The point: the Grammys have 85 categories, and the good parts are buried where only the determined will look. The episode’s left turn into pop comes via Mackenzie’s discovery of Charli XCX through the comedy-chat juggernaut Smartless. Wise’s response—“Who’s he?”—is treated as both generational commentary and perfectly on-brand. The subtext is clear: don’t confuse “not my cup of tea” with “not worth paying attention to”. Politics drifts in, as it tends to now, through the question of who’s writing protest songs. Wise notes Nils Lofgren’s “No Kings, No Hate, No Fear”, nods to Lucinda Williams and Mavis Staples, and longs—audibly—for Bob Dylan to re-enter the ring with something era-defining. Mackenzie is unconvinced, offering the counterpoint that Dylan’s signature move in moments like this is often silence. Screen culture gets its usual run: Mackenzie’s recommendation of the British robbery thriller Steel mostly lands—until Wise objects to the final 15 minutes for explaining too much, revealing his mother’s literary habit of reading the last chapter first. The music talk returns in force with Buddy Guy. Wise has interviewed him (Buddy turns 90 this year and is flagged as possibly touring Australia for the last time), and the hosts linger on the question Wise once had about Buddy’s live habit of paying tribute to other blues greats. Finally, Al Green turns up as both salvation and complication. Wise recommends Green’s EP To Love Somebody (Bee Gees cover included, plus “Perfect Day” featuring RAYE and a take on R.E.M.’s “Everybody Hurts”), while Mackenzie raises the perennial problem: applauding the artistry while not airbrushing the artist. Episode 9’s through-line, then, isn’t sport or even the Grammys. It’s the way culture arrives in the room: messy, overlapping, sometimes off-mic, and always demanding you listen harder than the algorithm wants you to. Essential Links Lindsey Vonn's heroic return ends in heartbreak | Wide World of Sports Bad Bunny's Apple Music Super Bowl Halftime Show Vanguart Orb Flying Tourbillon Review: The Futuristic Titanium Timepiece of 2025 FELA Anikulapo Kuti - All songs The Rolling Stones and Steve Riley - Zydeco Sont Pas Salés [Official Audio] Smartless on YouTube Charli xcx - I might say something stupid (official lyric video) Charli xcx - House (Lyrics) ft. John Cale Nils Lofgren - No Kings No Hate No Fear STEAL - Official Trailer | Prime Video A HOUSE OF DYNAMITE | Official Trailer | Netflix Sinners (2025) - Post Credit Scene (1/2) Sinners Soundtrack This Little Light of Mine Buddy Guy Aint Done With The Blues Buddy Guy Where You At Where U At Al Green - Everybody Hurts (Official Lyric Video)
