What if silence isn’t the absence of God—but the place where we learn to recognize His presence? In this episode of Soul Sense, Mark sits down with Dr. Joshua Knabb, board-certified clinical psychologist, professor, researcher, author, and therapist, to explore Christian meditation, contemplation, stillness, and rest. Drawing from Scripture, the Desert Christian tradition, Christian mysticism, Compassion-Focused Therapy, and research on Christian meditation, Dr. Knabb explores how ancient Christian practices can help us respond to anxiety, rumination, distraction, and our constantly connected culture. They discuss the difference between meditation and contemplation, why we shouldn’t try to force distracting thoughts away, how to cultivate stillness, and how the Jesus Prayer—“Lord Jesus Christ, have mercy on me”—can help us surrender worry and rest in God's loving presence. Dr. Knabb also shares a deeply personal story about learning to associate silence with abandonment and how discovering silence as the presence of God opened up a new experience of rest. TIMESTAMPS 00:00 — When silence feels like God's absence01:09 — Why Dr. Knabb began studying Christian meditation03:45 — The Desert Christians and the psychology of stillness06:01 — Hesychia: stillness, silence, and concentration09:34 — The danger, drive, and contentment systems14:15 — The Cloud of Unknowing and Christian contemplation16:08 — Meditation vs. contemplation20:25 — Rumination and getting stuck in our thoughts22:08 — Shifting attention instead of fighting thoughts23:26 — What to do when your mind wanders during prayer25:14 — A thousand opportunities to return to God's presence27:22 — Watchfulness and the snow globe metaphor29:44 — How contemplation can change your whole day30:25 — Fruit of the Spirit meditation33:52 — What does it mean to “enter into rest”?34:01 — Smartphones, distraction, and the drive system35:29 — When silence becomes frightening36:14 — Discovering silence as God's presence39:21 — “Be still” as laying down our weapons41:10 — Christian contemplation and chronic worry42:54 — Worry as an illusion of control43:19 — What is “loving silence”?43:30 — Resting in God's enduring love45:13 — God's love that nourishes and cherishes46:52 — The Jesus Prayer: “Lord Jesus Christ, have mercy on me”47:33 — Jesus as the one who soothes our wounds48:21 — Using the Jesus Prayer throughout the day49:39 — Finding Dr. Knabb's work Learn more about Dr. Joshua Knabb: joshuaknabb.com For counseling and resources: samaritanswell.com Follow Soul Sense and Samaritan’s Well Counseling for more conversations about faith, emotional health, relationships, and spiritual formation.