Scaling Therapist Podcast: More Income, More Independence, More Impact (Not More Hours)

James Marland
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The Scaling Therapist Podcast exists to inspire therapists to scale their business with systems, people, community, or opportunity so they can have more income, impact, and independance without giving up more of their life.

  1. Jul 20

    STP 172 | Why Waiting on Compliance Could Put Your Practice at Risk w. Dr. Natasha Guess

    STP 172 Show Notes Why Waiting on Compliance Could Put Your Practice at Risk No one starts a therapy practice because they're excited about policies and regulations. You start because you want to help people. But here's the trap. The longer you put compliance off, the more you're putting at risk. In this conversation, James sits down with Dr. Natasha Guess, founder of Guess Compliance & Consulting, to talk about why compliance isn't just about checking boxes. It's about protecting your clients, your team, your reputation, and the practice you've worked so hard to build. One line from the conversation sums it up well: "You can't fix what you don't know about." That's why every compliance journey starts with understanding where the gaps are before they become bigger problems. If you've ever thought, "We'll deal with compliance when we get bigger," this episode is for you. Who This Episode Is For If you own a therapy practice, lead a behavioral health team, or hope to grow your practice without creating bigger problems later, you'll find this conversation helpful. What You'll Walk Away With Why compliance protects more than your business. It protects your clients, your staff, and the practice you've worked so hard to build. Why waiting until you're bigger usually makes compliance harder, not easier. The common mistakes that leave small practices exposed to unnecessary risk. How a compliance assessment helps you find problems before they become expensive ones. Why role-based access, clear policies, and regular reviews matter more than most practice owners realize. How good compliance gives you something many practice owners don't have—peace of mind. Why bringing in an expert can save time, reduce stress, and help you stay focused on serving people. Show Highlights 0:00 – Cold open: Natasha on the gap between big healthcare systems and small/mid-size practices drowning in regulations 0:42 – Upcoming workshops: Launch a Paid Workshop in 30 Days (July 31) and Natasha's compliance workshop (September) 2:13 – Welcome back to the Scaling Therapist Podcast; intro to Natasha and today's topic 3:37 – Natasha's origin story: growing up in a country with no healthcare structure or governance 5:22 – Why she started Guess Compliance Consulting 6:48 – Why compliance feels like such a burden for small practices wearing many hats 8:07 – The myth that compliance can wait until you're "big enough" 10:24 – Why regulators don't scale expectations based on headcount — same HIPAA obligations for everyone 11:55 – What's at stake: patients, staff, reputation, and the business itself 13:11 – How following HIPAA protects you even when breaches or lawsuits happen 15:49 – The "three gaps" Natasha finds most often: informal access, role-based access, and informal communication 20:06 – How Natasha helps practices: diagnostic compliance check, gap analysis, and implementation 23:25 – One-time projects vs. ongoing monthly compliance services 24:46 – Where to find Natasha: Guess Compliance Consulting LLC, LinkedIn, free compliance strategy calls 25:28 – Natasha's final words: don't wait until it's too late 27:24 – James's closing thoughts and outro 27:50 – Sponsor thank-yous and workshop reminder Book Recommendation Natasha is a Published Author and wrote the book on compliance. You can find it on Amazon.  The Compliance Trap: How Not to Get Fined, Sued, or Shut Down: The Operational Compliance Guide for Small and Mid-Size Healthcare Organizations Resources Mentioned Guess Compliance & Consulting LLC Scaling Therapist Services Directory Course Creation Studio Launch a Paid Workshop in 30 Days The Growing Practice Compliance Checklist PDF One Thing You Can Do Now If you've been putting compliance on the back burner, don't wait until you receive a complaint, an audit notice, or a security breach. Take one honest look at your practice and ask yourself, "Am I protecting the people who trust me?" Helping people is too important to leave that to chance.

    STP 172 | Why Waiting on Compliance Could Put Your Practice at Risk w. Dr. Natasha Guess

  2. Jul 13

    STP 171 | People, Process, and Proof: A Simple Formula to Help Clients Say Yes

    Building a great course, coaching program, or service isn't enough by itself. If people don't understand how your work helps them, they'll move on. In this episode, James sits down with returning guest Joshua Brummel, co-founder of TherapyFlow, to talk about what makes a strong brand. They discuss how to stop describing what you do and start showing people how their life gets better because of your work. If you're creating a course, coaching program, consulting offer, or growing a therapy practice, this conversation will help people quickly understand why you're the right fit. Top 3 Reasons to Listen Learn how to describe your offer in a way that connects with what people actually want. Discover the three building blocks of a brand that helps people trust you. Walk away with a practical exercise you can use today to improve your website and marketing. Key Takeaways Talk about the outcome, not the process. People aren't looking for a course or a service. They're looking for a problem to be solved. Show them where you're taking them, not just what you're teaching. People trust you when they understand how you help them, who you are, and why your approach works. Joshua explains how your process, your people, and your proof work together to build that trust. You don't have to be everywhere. Pick a few places, do them well, and keep showing up. A simple, consistent approach beats trying to do everything at once. Highlights 00:00 – Why branding is much more than your logo 02:00 – The biggest AI questions therapists are asking today 05:00 – Why people struggle to market courses and coaching 06:00 – Stop talking about what you do—start talking about what you deliver 09:30 – Why people buy solutions to problems, not your process 10:00 – Joshua's three-part branding framework: Process, People, and Proof 12:00 – A real client example of branding that transformed a practice 13:45 – Is short-form video still worth your time? 16:00 – The bouquet analogy for building a memorable brand 18:20 – The three growth levers: Volume, Consistency, and Quality 19:45 – Why neglected social media can hurt your credibility 21:00 – TherapyFlow's newsletter and marketing support for practice owners 23:00 – Joshua's practical branding exercise you can start today One Simple Action Step Take 20 minutes this week and write down 20–30 "We help..." statements that describe the outcome you create for your clients. Then finish each one with "without..." to identify the frustration or obstacle you help them avoid. This simple exercise can make your website, social posts, and course pages much clearer.

    STP 171 | People, Process, and Proof: A Simple Formula to Help Clients Say Yes

  3. Jul 6

    STP 170 | The Calendar Trap: Overbooked, Overwhelmed, and Overrun

    The Calendar Trap: Overbooked, Overwhelmed, and Overrun If your calendar is full but your life is getting the leftovers, this episode is for you. James talks about the calendar trap: the slow drift from overbooked, to overwhelmed, to overrun. He begins with a story about his parents caring for his grandmother, then draws a clear line between sacrifice made for love and sacrifice made for a system that will not love you back. For therapists, coaches, and helping professionals, this is a sober but hopeful look at therapist burnout, private practice schedules, calendar boundaries, and what it takes to build a more sustainable therapy practice. Listen If You feel successful on paper, but tired in your body. You are booked out, but your family, rest, health, and spiritual life keep getting pushed to the edges. You want your calendar to protect your future instead of slowly taking it away. You Will Learn Why a full calendar is not always the same thing as freedom. How one more “yes” can quietly take from your rest, family, health, or creativity. Why your business, agency, or practice is a system, and systems do not love you back. How to ask a better question: “What is my calendar protecting?” Why your clients need the whole you, not the worn-down version of you. Timestamped Highlights 00:05 – When feeling overrun is really about your future. 01:00 – James shares the story of his parents caring for his grandmother. 02:16 – Every plan had to pass through one question: “What about Grandma?” 03:07 – The beauty and cost of giving your calendar to love. 04:39 – Your business is not Grandma. 05:37 – Your appointment book will not stop and ask if you are okay. 06:24 – Your system is perfectly designed to give you the results you are getting. 07:32 – The three stages of the calendar trap: overbooked, overwhelmed, and overrun. 08:05 – How overbooking starts with one small, reasonable-sounding yes. 09:25 – Why pushing now so you can rest later feels responsible. 10:30 – Every yes has to come from somewhere. 11:14 – You do not lose your future all at once. 12:15 – When being booked out stops feeling like success and starts feeling like danger. 13:17 – Overwhelm is when the calendar looks full, but you feel empty. 14:15 – When your body is on vacation, but your mind is still at work. 15:44 – Rest is not rest when it feels like a debt you have to pay later. 16:15 – How the calendar trap uses your care, guilt, skill, and income needs against you. 17:16 – When the future you wanted gets crowded out. 18:34 – Overbooked is about your schedule. Overwhelmed is about your mind and body. Overrun is about your future. 19:32 – Why your future should not be claimed by a system that does not care if you are okay. 20:33 – James shares his own story of giving 18 years to a company. 22:19 – A better question: “What is my calendar protecting?” 23:32 – Sacrifice can be beautiful when love is the reason. 24:38 – Is the system you are serving worth the cost? 25:49 – If you are overwhelmed, you are probably not giving your best. 26:10 – Your clients need the whole you. 27:22 – Your calendar is data. It shows what you are protecting. 28:18 – The three traps: the clock trap, the couch trap, and the calendar trap. 28:41 – Final question: Is your calendar protecting your future, or taking it away? Resources and Mentions Scaling Therapist Services https://scalingtherapistservices.com Episode sponsors mentioned: Humor Speaks, RevKey, The Practice Co-Lab, Arc Integrated, TheraSaaS CRM, Guess Compliance Consulting LLC, Freedom Business Solutions, Bossco LLC, and Profit Comes First. Closing CTA Look at your calendar this week and ask one honest question: Is this protecting my future, or taking it away? Your future should not be the leftovers after everyone else gets a spot. Thanks for listening. Now go put your mission in motion.

    STP 170 | The Calendar Trap: Overbooked, Overwhelmed, and Overrun

  4. Jun 29

    STP 169 | Fear, Failure, and First Steps: How Ira Hays Put His Mission in Motion

    Fear, Failure, and First Steps: How Ira Hays Put His Mission in Motion In this episode of The Scaling Therapist, James talks with Ira Hays, LCSW, about what happens when your mission gets bigger than the people you can help one-on-one. Ira started like many therapists do. He had a job, a small practice, and a desire to help the people in front of him. Over time, his work with school phobia, OCD, emetophobia, and school attendance led him into school trainings, new programs, a book, content, and other ways to serve. This conversation is for the therapist or group practice owner who knows they have something useful to share, but still feels nervous to put it out there. Ira’s reminder is simple: start before it is perfect, give away what helps people, and take the next step toward your mission. What You’ll Hear in This Episode You’ll see how a mission can grow one step at a time. Ira did not start with a giant plan. He started by asking, “How do I help more people?” That question led to trainings, new roles, a book, and a bigger way to serve. You’ll hear why fear does not mean stop. Ira talks about feeling scared, sick, and out of place before his first big talk. But he did it anyway. If you are waiting to feel ready, this part will hit home. You’ll be reminded to give away what works. Some therapists feel like they need to protect what they know. Ira says the opposite. If it helps people, share it. Teach it. Post it. Let people see how you think. Show Highlights 00:00 – Give away what works Ira opens with the core message: if you learn something that helps people, don’t hide it. 01:00 – Ira shares what he is building Private practice, Innerspace Counseling, Bia, Launch, teaching, and a book. 02:00 – From getting by to growing a mission Ira shares how his work started small and grew as the need grew. 02:30 – “What’s the mission?” The question that helped Ira decide what to build next. 03:50 – The tree and the branches School attendance was the trunk. OCD, phobia work, trainings, apps, and writing became the branches. 05:10 – Free training as a way to serve Ira started giving trainings to schools because people needed the information. 06:20 – The book as another way to help The book came from people asking, “What can I read to learn more?” 08:00 – Writing was not easy Ira shares how he used walks and voice notes to get ideas out when sitting down to write felt hard. 09:30 – The fire to solve a problem When you solve something others are stuck on, you start wanting to help more people solve it too. 10:10 – Helping people beyond your office Ira talks about families outside New Jersey who needed help he could not provide one-on-one. 11:30 – The real cost of school phobia Kids missing school, meals, family dinners, and normal life. 13:00 – Start with the smallest step Ira’s advice: set the minimum standard needed to begin. Do not build the whole thing first. 14:00 – Failure versus doing nothing Ira says it is easier to sleep as a failure than to do nothing when people need help. 15:00 – The first talk was scary He was nervous, sweating, and unsure. But he did it, survived, and kept improving. 16:00 – Your first version can be small James connects Ira’s story to the idea of a simple first experiment. 17:20 – Sharing online feels vulnerable Ira talks about posting on LinkedIn and wondering if anyone would care. 18:00 – If nobody knows you exist, you help no one A clear reminder for therapists with good ideas hiding in their heads. 19:20 – Just start Post what you think. Share what you believe. Connect with people doing good work. 20:00 – Give your knowledge away Teach the schools. Help the programs. Share the lesson. Let people see behind the scenes. 21:00 – The Go-Giver mindset James and Ira talk about giving as a more honest way for helpers to grow. 23:30 – Learning new skills is awkward Podcasting, editing, writing, and posting are all part of the growth process. 24:00 – Who, not how James shares how he is learning to ask who can help instead of trying to do every task himself. 25:45 – Final encouragement Give away what helps. Share the idea. Post the lesson. Put your mission in motion. Resources Mentioned Connect with Ira Hays on LinkedIn and YouTube: Ira Hays, LCSW Hayes Health and Wellness Innerspace Counseling Books mentioned: The Go-Giver, Who Not How, 10x Is Easier Than 2x, and Time as a Tool Take One Next Step If this episode sounds like you, don’t wait until the idea is perfect. Share the post. Offer the free training. Record the short video. Write the first page. Give away the thing that has helped your clients move forward. You do not have to protect what works. Give it away, and watch it grow.

    STP 169 | Fear, Failure, and First Steps: How Ira Hays Put His Mission in Motion

  5. Jun 22

    STP 168 | 5 Website Bottlenecks Keeping Therapists From Clients

    5 Website Bottlenecks Keeping Therapists From Clients In this episode of The Scaling Therapist Podcast, James talks with Daniel Fava of Private Practice Elevation about why therapy websites often fail to convert. Daniel breaks down the bottlenecks preventing sites from helping clients find, trust, and hire therapists. Three Key Insights 1. Visibility is evolving Search behavior has shifted. AI summaries and updated search algorithms prioritize trusted, relevant answers over simple keyword stuffing. You need clear, topic-specific service pages that address your ideal client’s actual questions. 2. Prioritize client trust Clients need to feel understood before they care about your credentials. Your copy should focus on their lived experience and whether they feel safe reaching out to you. 3. Remove friction If traffic isn't converting, look for friction. Choose one consistent call to action, like “Schedule a Consultation” and repeat it clearly across your site. Timestamped Highlights 00:00 – Changing search landscape: How AI and new search behaviors have changed how clients find therapists. 03:45 – About Private Practice Elevation: Overview of services: web design, SEO, and AI optimization for therapists. 05:45 – The 4 main bottlenecks: Overview of the common barriers preventing client inquiries. 10:00 – Bottleneck 1: Visibility: Why you can't rely solely on word-of-mouth or directories. 11:30 – Service-specific pages: Creating pages targeting specific services and locations (e.g., “Couples Therapy in Atlanta”). 13:00 – Content strategy: Using FAQ-style content to answer client questions and boost search visibility. 17:00 – Content cleanup: Audit existing blog posts; improve, combine, or prune weak content. 18:30 – Bottleneck 2: Trust: Stop focusing on modalities and start focusing on client problems. 19:30 – Human language: Use empathetic copy that speaks to the client’s experience. 22:00 – Clarity: Ensure your site states what you offer and who it’s for immediately. 23:15 – Bottleneck 3: Conversion: Why visitors aren't taking the next step. 24:15 – Single CTA: Standardize your call to action language across the entire site. 25:15 – Accessibility: Keep contact info easy to find on all devices. 26:00 – Set expectations: Describe the intake process to reduce client anxiety. 27:15 – Simplify forms: Keep initial contact forms brief to avoid scaring off leads. 29:30 – Bottleneck 4: Efficiency: Stop using your website as a manual information desk. 30:30 – FAQ effectiveness: Use FAQs to handle logistics, freeing up time for actual therapy. 32:00 – Fit signaling: Explicitly state who you are best suited to help. 34:15 – The website journey: Summary of the path from discovery to booking. 35:00 – Growth tool: Transitioning your site from a brochure to a growth engine. 36:00 – Connect with Daniel: Visit Private Practice Elevation for resources and Listen to the Podcast for more SEO and website tips. Mission in Motion Don't overhaul your whole site this week. Pick one page, your homepage or a service page, and ask: "Does this clearly show I understand their problem and know the next step?" If the answer is no, make one small change today. Clarity is kind. If your website feels like a bottleneck you do not want to solve alone, connect with Daniel Fava and the team at Private Practice Elevation: https://privatepracticeelevation.com Tell them James Marland sent you.  You can also find trusted providers who help therapy practices grow inside the Scaling Therapist Services Directory: https://scalingtherapistservices.com

    STP 168 | 5 Website Bottlenecks Keeping Therapists From Clients

  6. Jun 15

    STP 167 | Success on Paper, Trapped by the Clock

    Success on Paper, Trapped by the Clock This episode is for therapists, practice owners, and helping professionals who look successful on the outside but feel trapped by the clock on the inside. James talks about the quiet cost of tying your income, impact, and identity to billable hours. A full calendar can look like success, but it can also steal your margin, your rest, your family time, and the space you need to build something more sustainable. If you’ve ever wondered, “How long can I keep going like this?” this episode will help you slow down, tell the truth, and start noticing where your work may be taking more than it gives. Top 3 Reasons to Listen You’ll learn why a full calendar is not always the same thing as a healthy life. You’ll hear why your value is bigger than the next hour someone pays for. You’ll be invited to consider new ways to share your wisdom, like workshops, speaking, courses, or podcasts. What You’ll Learn In this episode, you’ll learn: What the “clock trap” is and why so many therapists fall into it. Why trading more hours for more income has a real cost. How a full schedule can quietly become a ceiling instead of a blessing. Why your wisdom does not disappear when the session ends. How to begin thinking about your work beyond one-to-one service. A simple question to ask this week: “Is my calendar supporting my mission, or has my mission trapped me inside my calendar?” Highlights 00:03 — When success on paper still feels unsustainable 00:55 — James shares the breaking point that helped him see the clock trap 02:14 — Why giving more time is not always the answer 03:02 — What the “clock trap” really is for therapists and helpers 04:48 — When the clock stops being a tool and starts becoming a chain 06:37 — Your wisdom does not expire every 60 minutes 07:00 — The false promise of a full calendar 08:18 — The hidden trade-offs behind “just one more client” 09:32 — Why time is not just a business issue 10:00 — The Tolkien quote that reframes how we use time 11:29 — Why your work should not require your personhood to disappear 12:00 — The ladder-on-the-wrong-wall warning 14:30 — Peter Drucker’s reminder that time is the scarcest resource 15:29 — Why more money cannot replace lost time 17:00 — The answer is not caring less 17:25 — Ways to share your wisdom beyond the therapy hour 18:35 — The question to sit with this week 19:19 — Warning signs to notice in your schedule, family, and energy 20:12 — Invitation to continue the conversation inside the community 20:58 — Thanks to the show partners and services directory Memorable Lines “Your value does not start and end when the session starts.” “The clock was made to measure time. It was never meant to measure your value.” “A full client schedule will not fix your broken life.” “Fully booked does not mean free.” “Be careful what you hand your hours to because eventually your hours become your life.” “Is your calendar supporting your mission, or has your mission trapped you inside your calendar?” Resources and Mentions Course Creation Studio community: https://coursecreationstudio.com/store Course Creation Studio library: https://coursecreationstudio.com/library Scaling Therapist Services directory: https://scalingtherapistservices.com J.R.R. Tolkien quote mentioned: “All we have to decide is what to do with the time that is given us.” Peter Drucker quote mentioned: “Time is the scarcest resource, and unless it is managed, nothing else can be managed.” Jim Rohn quote mentioned: “Time is more valuable than money. You can get more money, but you cannot get more time.” Partners Mentioned Humor Speaks RevKey The Practice Co-Lab Arc Integrated TheraSaaS CRM Guest Compliance and Consulting LLC Freedom Business Solutions Bosco LLC Profit Comes First Closing If this episode helped you notice where the clock may be running your life, take one small step this week. Ask yourself: Is my work supporting my life, or slowly taking it over? And if you want to talk through what margin could look like in your work, join the conversation inside the Course Creation Studio community. You do not need to leave the work you love. You may just need a better structure around it.

    STP 167 | Success on Paper, Trapped by the Clock

  7. Jun 8

    STP 166 | Move Forward Scared: Redefining Success When Fear Shows Up with guest Tammy Gustafson

    Fear has a way of making the next step feel bigger than it really is. In this episode of The Scaling Therapist Podcast, James talks with Tammy Gustafson, licensed professional counselor and author of Broken to Brave, about risk, failure, healing, and what it means to keep moving even when you feel scared. Tammy shares how her own story of intimate betrayal became part of her calling, her book, and her work with women who are healing after betrayal. She also talks honestly about the fear behind writing, speaking, launching, and trying things that may not work. Her reminder is simple and strong: “I don’t wanna let fear be the driver and the thing that decides what I do and don’t do.” If you are a therapist, coach, or helper with a message inside you, this episode will encourage you to take the next small step, even before you feel fully ready. Top 3 Reasons to Listen You’ll hear why fear does not have to decide what you do next. You’ll learn how Tammy redefined success as showing up, learning, and continuing forward. You’ll be reminded that failure is not your identity. It is part of the process. You’ll Learn How to move forward when you feel afraid. Why writing a book or building a business often takes more courage than people see. Why safe people matter when you are taking risks. How to separate failure from your self-worth. Why small experiments are better than waiting for the perfect plan. How to redefine success when the outcome is uncertain. Highlights 00:00 — What to do when your business idea does not work 00:31 — Why fear makes the next step feel bigger than it is 01:08 — How to move forward when your story, course, or message is stuck 02:10 — Join the next free Mission Lab on Tuesday, June 16 03:20 — Meet Tammy Gustafson, author of Broken to Brave 04:20 — Why your relationship with risk and failure affects your success 05:05 — Tammy’s healing story after intimate betrayal 06:00 — The hidden fear behind writing a book 07:30 — How Tammy knew she had a book inside her 08:40 — Why small steps matter when building a larger mission 09:05 — What happens when you launch something and nobody buys 10:05 — How to stop letting fear drive your decisions 11:30 — Why courage often starts with one open door 13:00 — The difference between confidence and handling vulnerability 14:05 — Why you need safe people when doing brave work 15:05 — The antidote to risk, fear, and failure 16:00 — How to trust yourself when something fails 17:00 — Why hard things are harder when you do them alone 17:40 — How your relationship with fear shapes your future 18:30 — Why taking big risks means learning how to handle failure 19:20 — How to separate success and failure from self-worth 20:20 — Why small experiments are better than expensive guesses 20:45 — How fear of failure keeps your idea in the desk drawer 21:30 — What to do when you want to delete the whole project 22:00 — The question Tammy asked that helped her keep writing 23:25 — Learning to do things scared 24:35 — How your past shapes your relationship with risk 25:10 — What do you want to be proud of at the end of your life? 26:05 — James shares the eulogy exercise from Hero on a Mission 27:10 — How to rewrite old fear stories 28:10 — Why healing is possible, even when it does not feel possible 29:35 — How safe people help you grow stronger 31:00 — Tammy’s advice if you feel stuck or afraid to move 31:20 — Redefine success as showing up, learning, and taking the next step 33:40 — Where to find Tammy and learn about her Paris retreat 35:00 — Thank you to our Pro Level sponsors 36:00 — Final invitation to join the next Mission Lab so you are not alone Resources and Mentions Tammy Gustafson’s Website: https://tammygustafson.com Broken to Brave: Your Courageous Act of Healing After Intimate Betrayal on Amazon: https://www.amazon.com/Broken-Brave-Courageous-Intimate-Betrayal/dp/0800746554 Baker Publishing page for Broken to Brave: https://bakerpublishinggroup.com/products/9780800746551_broken-to-brave Course Creation Studio Store: https://www.coursecreationstudio.com/store Scaling Therapist Services: https://scalingtherapistservices.com Free Mission Lab Invitation The next free Mission Lab is Tuesday, June 16. If you have a course idea, a message, or a calling that keeps sitting on the shelf because you are not sure what to do next, come join us. You can ask questions, get encouragement, and see that you are not the only one trying to move forward scared. To join, go to: https://www.coursecreationstudio.com/store Look for the Course Creation Community and use the free community link. Once you sign up, the community will show up in your library. Thank You to Our Pro Level Sponsors Thank you to our Pro Level sponsors for supporting the show and helping us encourage more therapists, coaches, and helpers to put their mission in motion: Humor Speaks RevKey The Practice Co-Lab Arc Integrated TheraSaaS CRM Guest Compliance Consulting Freedom Business Solutions Bossco Profit Comes First You can find these providers at: https://scalingtherapistservices.com Final Encouragement You do not have to wait until fear goes away. You do not have to wait until you have the perfect plan. You do not have to build your mission alone. Come to the next free Mission Lab and see that you are not alone. There are other people taking small steps, asking questions, and moving through fear too. It’s time to put your mission in motion. See you in the Mission Lab.

    STP 166 | Move Forward Scared: Redefining Success When Fear Shows Up with guest Tammy Gustafson

  8. Jun 1

    STP 165 | Refusal to Quit: How Evan Owens Helped Launch a Movement from His Living Room

    Refusal to Quit: How Evan Owens Helped Launch a Movement from His Living Room Episode Introduction Most people do not start with hundreds of locations, a polished curriculum, or a big public platform. They start with a burden. They start with the people sitting across the table. In this episode of The Scaling Therapist Podcast, James talks with Evan Owens, co-founder and executive director of REBOOT Recovery. Evan and his wife, Jenny, did not begin with a grand plan to build a national movement. They began by listening to people in pain, opening their living room, and caring for the circle God had placed in front of them. What grew from that small beginning became something much bigger than they expected. Evan shares the early story of REBOOT Recovery, the courage it takes to keep going, and why a leader is just “a crazy person with an idea” until the first follower steps in. This conversation is for therapists, coaches, helpers, ministry leaders, and builders who have something stirring in their heart but feel unsure about the next step. You do not need to have it all figured out. You may just need to start with the people in front of you. What You’ll Gain From Listening By listening to this episode, you’ll learn: How a small living-room gathering grew into a movement by listening, serving, and refusing to quit. Why your first follower matters more than you may think when you are building something new. How to tell the difference between building a resource, an organization, or a movement so you can lead with more clarity. Highlights  [00:00] — The first follower principle [00:27] — Free Unpause Playbook for builders who feel stuck [01:00] — Meet Evan Owens of REBOOT Recovery [03:20] — The living room moment that changed everything [04:35] — When one calling becomes more compelling than the old dream [06:10] — Start with the circle in front of you [07:00] — Listening before building [07:40] — Why the first follower may be braver than the leader [10:20] — Refusal to quit without rushing the process [12:10] — Resource, organization, or movement? [14:15] — When the mission becomes bigger than you [15:40] — How structure protects a growing movement [18:15] — The kind of leaders who help movements grow [21:00] — Building bridges beyond the walls [22:35] — How someone can start a REBOOT group [26:45] — How to connect with Evan and REBOOT Recovery [28:35] — Thanks to the Scaling Therapist Services Directory sponsors   Resources Mentioned Free Unpause PlaybookFor therapists, coaches, and helpers who feel stuck and need one clear next step. https://www.coursecreationstudio.com/unpause REBOOT RecoveryLearn more about REBOOT Recovery, join a course, or explore leading a group. https://rebootrecovery.com/ Lead a REBOOT Recovery CourseStart here if you are interested in bringing REBOOT to your church, ministry, community, or organization. https://rebootrecovery.com/ Contact Evan OwensEvan shared his email in the episode for people who want help getting connected. evan@rebootrecovery.com First Follower: Leadership Lessons from Dancing GuyThe short video James and Evan mention about how movements begin. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fW8amMCVAJQ Course Creation StudioResources for therapists, coaches, and helpers who want to turn what they know into life-changing online courses.  https://www.coursecreationstudio.com/ Humor Speaks Offer From RayJames mentions a special offer from Ray at Humor Speaks about helping people turn their worst-selling month into their best-selling month. To receive that offer, join the Course Creation Studio email list by grabbing the free Unpause Playbook. Closing Invitation If this episode encouraged you, take one small step. Maybe your idea does not need to be perfect yet. Maybe it just needs a room, a few people, and the courage to begin. Don’t just sit there. Go put your mission in motion.

    STP 165 | Refusal to Quit: How Evan Owens Helped Launch a Movement from His Living Room
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