Second Verse

Becky Boyland

🎙 Second Verse – Because it’s never too late to make music. Are you an indie artist or creative dreaming of a second chance at your music career? Second Verse is the podcast that celebrates independent musicians, singer-songwriters, and artists who got started—or started again—after a more traditional career. Join host Becky Boyland, a singer-songwriter and music branding expert, as she interviews indie artists who prove that success isn’t just for the young and major-label backed. Each episode dives into real-life stories of artists navigating their second verse in music—overcoming fears, finding their audience, and making their creative dreams a reality. 💡 What You’ll Get: ✅ Inspiring stories from independent musicians who took the leap ✅ Actionable tips for pursuing your music career at any stage ✅ Branding and marketing insights to grow your audience ✅ Motivation to finally take that next step toward your dream No matter where you are on your musical journey, Second Verse will help you feel seen, supported, and ready to take action. Subscribe now, leave a review, and visit secondversepod.com to submit your story, connect on social media, and start your own Second Verse. 🎶 Your dream is still waiting—let’s make music.

  1. She Played Piano on 9/11—From a Psychiatric Hospital in Manhattan: Prin's Many Verses

    3D AGO

    She Played Piano on 9/11—From a Psychiatric Hospital in Manhattan: Prin's Many Verses

    Prin’s Second Verse: From 9/11 Hospitalization to Wellness-Centered Music Production Host Becky Boyland interviews New Jersey-based music producer, author, and educator Prin, who began playing piano by ear at age three, worked as a paid musician by 15, and built a thriving NYC gigging and composing life while at Fordham. After graduating in 2001, untreated bipolar disorder and substance abuse led her into a free inpatient case-study program at the New York State Psychiatric Institute, where she was hospitalized on 9/11, prompting a renewed commitment to mental health. A back injury halted performing for years, shifting her into counseling, education, and writing. After leaving higher ed, she was hit by a car and suffered lasting left-hand nerve damage, later returning to gigs and releasing her first album in 2016. Subsequent car accidents, disc replacement surgery (2019), the pandemic, and her brother’s death after COVID led her into music production, sound healing, and an ambient grief project, “The Calm Principles.” https://youtu.be/OPJ9_mkKL1g Connect with Prin: https://www.facebook.com/musicbyprinhttps://www.instagram.com/musicbyprinhttps://www.tiktok.com/@musicbyprinhttps://musicbyprin.com Sponsors: She Produces Music: https://www.sheproducesmusic.com Featured Song: ”A Long Time Coming” by Prin, written by Princess Yvonne Duma (used with permission). All rights reserved. Timestamps: 00:00 Teaser: Prin's Interview00:26 Introduction01:30 Meet Prin01:53 Early Piano Roots03:16 Stage Fright Breakthrough06:40 Fordham and NYC Hustle09:15 NYC Artist Community11:55 Fear of Original Music13:24 Mental Health Pivot16:30 In the Hospital During 9/1119:36 Back Injury Ends Gigging20:46 Career In Counseling Education22:23 SPONSOR: She Produces Music25:22 Quit Job Then Car Accident28:57 Return to Music and First Album30:45 Finding New Creative Tools31:36 Album Release Gets Derailed33:34 Surgery Recovery Meets Pandemic34:33 Learning Production Independence36:22 Grief Becomes Healing Project38:54 Mental Health and Balance43:19 Letting Songs Be Imperfect47:50 Reinventing Old Songs52:26 Production Tips and Tech01:00:34 Artist Identity and Where to Find Me01:03:05 Coda01:06:20 Featured Song: "A Long Time Coming" by Prin Stream all the released music from Second Verse any time! Add the official Songs from the Second Verse Podcast playlist to your Spotify now! https://open.spotify.com/playlist/5lPUAY9uBYVVg9fmy03Bj3?si=5211c2db80334285 Or to your Tidal now! https://tidal.com/playlist/c84934ad-2723-4d1a-919e-2aebd4b4974d Starting your own podcast? Sign up with Captivate to host your show today! https://fas.st/t/ZHbLxEpe (affiliate link)

    1h 11m
  2. Multiple Selves, Meditation Music & Midlife Reinvention: Sophie Bickerdike’s Second Verse

    FEB 3

    Multiple Selves, Meditation Music & Midlife Reinvention: Sophie Bickerdike’s Second Verse

    Embracing Multiple Selves: A Journey into Music with Sophie Bickerdike In this episode of Second Verse, host Becky Boyland welcomes Sophie Bickerdike, an indie artist who shares her journey of exploring multiple musical identities under different names. Sophie talks about how she started creating music out of necessity during COVID for her yoga studio and evolved into producing meditative tracks, healing frequencies, and experimental sounds. She discusses the challenges of coming to music later in life, the joy of playful experimentation, and the power of finishing small projects. Sophie's story is an inspiring reminder that it's never too late to start a new creative journey. https://youtu.be/Qze1Cxw-jNY Connect with Sophie Bickerdike: Web: www.lunalightmusiclabel.comFacebook: www.facebook.com/sophiebickerdikemusicInstagram: www.instagram.com/sophiebickerdikemusicBandcamp: https://lunalightmusic.bandcamp.com Mentioned in the Episode: Dr. Masaru Emoto: How Emotion Influences Water: https://bornastheearth.com/dr-masaru-emoto/Masaru Emoto Water Experiments: https://youtu.be/1qQUFvufXp4Life by XLN Audio: https://www.xlnaudio.com/products/lifeTalent Is Timeless Community: https://www.talentistimeless.com/ Sponsors: Attitude Creativity: https://attitudecreativity.com/blueprintSinging / Straw: https://secondverse.com/singingstraw (affiliate link, 10% coupon auto-applied, or use code “secondverse”) Featured Song: ”528Hz Manifest Miracles - Angelic Extended Mix” by LunaLight & Sophia Bickerdike, written by Sophia Bickerdike (used with permission). All rights reserved. Timestamps: 00:00 Episode Teaser: Sophie Bickerdike Interview00:32 Introduction01:59 Welcome to Sophie and Early Musical Influences03:02 Journey into Music Production04:01 Creating Relaxing and Experimental Music07:35 Exploring Different Musical Tools and Techniques13:02 Multiple Musical Personas19:20 Navigating Neurodivergence in Music23:36 Navigating Musical Identity and Acceptance24:40 BROUGHT TO YOU BY Attitude Creativity26:01 BROUGHT TO YOU BY Singing / Straw26:59 Balancing Band Life and Rehearsals27:29 Women in Music Production29:04 Exploring the Power of Music Frequencies34:52 Managing Multiple Music Projects41:46 Advice for Aspiring Musicians43:44 Where to Find and Support the Artist45:02 Coda46:55 Featured Song: "528Hz Manifest Miracles - Angelic Extended Mix" by LunaLight & Sophia Bickerdike Stream all the released music from Second Verse any time! Add the official Songs from the Second Verse Podcast playlist to your Spotify now! https://open.spotify.com/playlist/5lPUAY9uBYVVg9fmy03Bj3?si=5211c2db80334285 Or to your Tidal now! https://tidal.com/playlist/c84934ad-2723-4d1a-919e-2aebd4b4974d Starting your own podcast? Sign up with Captivate to host your show today! https://fas.st/t/ZHbLxEpe (affiliate link)

    50 min
  3. When Creativity Finds You: Adriana Douglas on Reinvention, Nashville, and "The Artist’s Way"

    JAN 27

    When Creativity Finds You: Adriana Douglas on Reinvention, Nashville, and "The Artist’s Way"

    Embracing Creative Renewal: Adriana Douglas' Journey from Corporate to Artistry In this episode of Second Verse, host Becky Boyland welcomes music artist and creative guide Adriana Douglas, who shares her inspiring journey from a decade-long corporate career to rediscovering her childhood dream of becoming a singer. Adriana discusses the pivotal moment when she embraced her artistic identity, the impact of Julia Cameron's The Artist's Way in unlocking her creativity, and her recent move to Nashville to immerse herself in a vibrant artistic community. Along with practical advice on navigating the music industry, Adriana emphasizes the importance of aligning career choices with personal values, the necessity of community support, and the resilience required to pursue artistic dreams. Listen in for an honest, energizing conversation about the challenges and triumphs of reclaiming one's creative passion. https://youtu.be/CNM4a7gvBBg Connect with Adriana Douglas: Web: https://www.adrianadouglas.com/TikTok: https://www.tiktok.com/@adrianagdouglasInstagram: https://www.instagram.com/theartofadrianaa/YouTube: https://youtube.com/@adrianagdouglasStreaming: on all major platforms Sponsors: Attitude Creativity: https://attitudecreativity.com/blueprintSinging / Straw: https://secondverse.com/singingstraw (affiliate link, 10% coupon auto-applied, or use code “secondverse”) Featured Song: ”Dressed in Labels” by Adriana Douglas, written by Jessica Taylor, Adriana Douglas (used with permission). All rights reserved. Timestamps: 00:00 Episode Teaser Clip00:28 Episode Introduction02:01 Welcome to Adriana02:22 Adriana's Early Love for Music03:55 Rediscovering Music and Creativity05:35 The Impact of 'The Artist's Way'09:09 Embracing Creativity in Daily Life10:51 Moving to Nashville and New Beginnings12:02 Navigating the Music Industry26:09 The Importance of Community and Support33:37 Challenges and Sacrifices in Pursuing Music42:04 BROUGHT TO YOU BY: Attitude Creativity43:25 BROUGHT TO YOU BY: Singing / Straw44:22 Advice for Aspiring Artists49:39 Upcoming Projects and How to Support Adriana51:33 Conclusion and Final Thoughts51:59 Coda54:09 Featured Song: "Dressed in Labels" by Adriana Douglas, written by Jessica Taylor & Adriana Douglas Stream all the released music from Second Verse any time! Add the official Songs from the Second Verse Podcast playlist to your Spotify now! https://open.spotify.com/playlist/5lPUAY9uBYVVg9fmy03Bj3?si=5211c2db80334285 Or to your Tidal now! https://tidal.com/playlist/c84934ad-2723-4d1a-919e-2aebd4b4974d Starting your own podcast? Sign up with Captivate to host your show today! https://fas.st/t/ZHbLxEpe (affiliate link)

    57 min
  4. Wintering: How Kathi Fran Reclaimed Her Voice After Life’s Hardest Seasons

    JAN 20

    Wintering: How Kathi Fran Reclaimed Her Voice After Life’s Hardest Seasons

    Rediscovering Purpose Through Music with Kathi Fran In this episode of Second Verse hosted by Becky Boyland, we meet Kathi Copans, who creates under the artist name Kathi Fran. Kathi shares her inspiring journey of growing up in a musical home, navigating the ups and downs of life, and finding her way back to music and songwriting after illness and loss. This conversation covers a range of topics including the evolving definition of success, the healing power of music, and the importance of kindness in the creative community. Becky and Kathi also discuss the challenges and rewards of co-writing, the importance of authenticity in art, and how even small steps in pursuing one's passion can lead to significant personal fulfillment and impact. Tune in for an episode full of wisdom, resilience, and musical inspiration. https://youtu.be/EJrlJslaNro Connect with Kathi Fran: Instagram: @kat_rocks_13linktr.ee/kathifran Sponsors: Attitude Creativity: https://attitudecreativity.com/blueprintSinging / Straw: https://secondverse.com/singingstraw (affiliate link, 10% coupon auto-applied, or use code “secondverse”) Featured Song: ”Wintering” by Kathi Fran, written by Kathi Fran Copans & Wilhelmina Fleur Lavinia Walter (used with permission). All rights reserved. Timestamps: 00:00 Kathi Fran Episode Teaser00:13 Introduction01:41 Welcome and Early Love for Music04:32 Transition to School Teaching07:43 Health Challenges and Rediscovery10:13 Philosophical Reflections on Music24:39 Creative Process and Collaborations26:33 The Self-Promoting Artist29:34 The Importance of Co-Writing and Community31:35 BROUGHT TO YOU BY: Attitude Creativity32:56 BROUGHT TO YOU BY: Singing / Straw33:54 Instrumentation and Production Techniques36:07 The Art of Using MIDI and Live Instruments42:51 Live Performances and Open Mics45:19 Future Plans and Dreams49:08 Advice for Aspiring Musicians50:42 Coda52:45 Featured Song: "Wintering" by Kathi Fran, written by Kathi Fran Copans & Wilhelmina Fleur Lavinia Walter Stream all the released music from Second Verse any time! Add the official Songs from the Second Verse Podcast playlist to your Spotify now! https://open.spotify.com/playlist/5lPUAY9uBYVVg9fmy03Bj3?si=5211c2db80334285Or to your Tidal now! https://tidal.com/playlist/c84934ad-2723-4d1a-919e-2aebd4b4974d Starting your own podcast? Sign up with Captivate to host your show today! https://fas.st/t/ZHbLxEpe (affiliate link)

    56 min
  5. Finding Your Voice at 50: Joshua David Thayer on Grief, Creativity & Letting the Music Speak

    12/16/2025

    Finding Your Voice at 50: Joshua David Thayer on Grief, Creativity & Letting the Music Speak

    Joshua David Thayer: From Sideman to Solo Artist In this episode of Second Verse, host Becky Boyland chats with Joshua David Thayer, a seasoned bassist from Northampton, Massachusetts. After spending decades in supporting roles for various bands, the sudden loss of his father in 2023 inspired Josh to step into the spotlight as a solo artist at age 50. They discuss the creative process, using grief as a catalyst, and the importance of finishing projects over striving for perfection. Josh's journey is a testament to trusting the process and letting the material guide you to create honest and impactful work. Listen in as Josh shares his unique approach to music creation and the challenges of being an independent artist in 2025. https://youtu.be/1CMNvWBdM9s Connect with Joshua David Thayer: Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/joshuadavidthayer/Facebook: https://www.facebook.com/joshuadavidthayer/Bandcamp: https://joshuadavidthayer.bandcamp.com/YouTube: https://www.youtube.com/@JoshuaDavidThayerWebsite: www.joshuadavidthayer.com Mentioned in the episode: Subvert: https://subvert.fm/Rick Rubin's "The Creative Act: A Way of Being": https://sites.prh.com/thecreativeactDavid Bowie Cut-Up Method: https://www.openculture.com/2019/05/how-david-bowie-used-william-s-burroughs-cut-up-method-to-write-his-unforgettable-lyrics.html Sponsors: Attitude Creativity: https://attitudecreativity.com/blueprintSinging / Straw: https://secondverse.com/singingstraw (affiliate link, 10% coupon auto-applied, or use code “secondverse”) Featured Song: ”We Won’t Relent” by Joshua David Thayer, written by Joshua David Thayer. Used with permission. All rights reserved. Timestamps: 00:00 Teaser: Joshua David Thayer Interview00:28 Introduction to the Episode02:09 Welcoming Joshua David Thayer & Music Beginnings03:26 High School Band to Rock Band06:51 Early Success and Opportunities11:25 Transition to a "Traditional" Career18:19 FEATURING: Attitude Creativity19:40 FEATURING: Singing / Straw20:38 Rediscovering Music After Loss24:10 Josh's Unique Creative Process35:49 When Is the Music Ready?40:57 Challenges and Rewards of Modern Music Creation47:35 Current Projects and Future Plans55:31 How to Support Josh's Music57:35 Coda59:36 Featured Song: "We Won't Relent" by Joshua David Thayer Stream all the released music from Second Verse any time! Add the official Songs from the Second Verse Podcast playlist to your Spotify now! https://open.spotify.com/playlist/5lPUAY9uBYVVg9fmy03Bj3?si=5211c2db80334285Or to your Tidal now! https://tidal.com/playlist/c84934ad-2723-4d1a-919e-2aebd4b4974d Starting your own podcast? Sign up with Captivate to host your show today! https://fas.st/t/ZHbLxEpe (affiliate link)

    1h 4m
  6. Small Steps, Big Impact: Building Your Creative Confidence

    11/11/2025

    Small Steps, Big Impact: Building Your Creative Confidence

    Building Confidence Through Small Steps: Insights from Second Verse Podcast In this episode of Second Verse, host Becky Boyland emphasizes the importance of building confidence through small steps. She shares personal experiences, including a transformative songwriting retreat in Scotland. Becky highlights how taking minor actions can snowball into greater self-assurance. Featuring stories from past guests like Ben Kintisch, Kelly Hastings, Greig Watts, and Chris Evans, she illustrates how simple, consistent efforts can lead to significant progress in music careers. Becky also addresses common confidence busters, such as comparison and perfectionism, and provides practical micro habits for artists. Download her 'Creative Momentum Map' to help boost your creative journey. https://youtu.be/YwuJLT61-zg Download the Creative Momentum Map: 7 Small Actions to Reignite Your Music: https://secondversepod.com/confidence Connect with Becky Boyland: https://beckyboyland.comhttps://instagram.com/beckyboylandhttps://tiktok.com/beckyboylandhttps://facebook.com/beckyboylandmusichttps://www.youtube.com/@beckyboyland Sponsors: Attitude Creativity: https://attitudecreativity.com/blueprint Featured Song: ”You Got Me” by Becky Boyland, written by Becky Joleen Boyland and Christina Ann Casella. Used with permission. All rights reserved. Timestamps: 00:00 SPONSOR: Attitude Creativity01:19 Why Small Steps Matter03:31 The Confidence-Action Loop07:04 The Power of Small, Consistent Steps08:59 Overcoming Resistance and Perfectionism12:33 Building a Confidence Ecosystem14:43 Coda15:46 Featured Song: "You Got Me" by Becky Boyland Songs from the Podcast Playlist: Stream all the released music from Second Verse any time! Add the official Songs from the Second Verse Podcast playlist to your Spotify now! https://open.spotify.com/playlist/5lPUAY9uBYVVg9fmy03Bj3?si=5211c2db80334285 Starting your own podcast? Sign up with Captivate to host your show today! https://fas.st/t/ZHbLxEpe (affiliate link)

    19 min
  7. How to Bring Others into Your Ecosystem: Collaboration for Indie Music Artists

    11/04/2025

    How to Bring Others into Your Ecosystem: Collaboration for Indie Music Artists

    The Power of Collaboration for Indie Artists In this episode of Second Verse, host Becky Boyland explores the transformative power of collaboration for indie musicians. She breaks down why working together is crucial, not just in co-writing or production, but also in building community and maintaining accountability. Becky shares her own experiences and provides a step-by-step guide on how to find and foster successful creative partnerships. The episode concludes with her top six benefits of collaborating, emphasizing the importance of community and shared growth in achieving musical success. Tune in to hear inspiring stories and get practical tips to enhance your music journey. https://youtu.be/6t-Pftkfo6w Connect with Becky Boyland: https://beckyboyland.comhttps://instagram.com/beckyboylandhttps://tiktok.com/beckyboylandhttps://facebook.com/beckyboylandmusichttps://www.youtube.com/@beckyboyland Sponsor: Attitude Creativity: https://attitudecreativity.com/blueprint Featured Song: ”Ticket” by Becky Boyland, written by Becky Joleen Boyland. Used with permission. All rights reserved. Timestamps: 00:00 SPONSOR: Attitude Creativity01:19 Episode Introduction03:14 The Myth of the "Solo Genius"05:03 Finding Your Collaborative Match07:46 Building Trust and Creative Chemistry10:53 Collaboration Beyond the Studio13:20  Top 6 Benefits of Collaborating as an Indie Music Artist15:04 Coda16:01 Featured Song: "Ticket" by Becky Boyland Songs from the Podcast Playlist: Stream all the released music from Second Verse any time! Add the official Songs from the Second Verse Podcast playlist to your Spotify now! https://open.spotify.com/playlist/5lPUAY9uBYVVg9fmy03Bj3?si=5211c2db80334285 Starting your own podcast? Sign up with Captivate to host your show today! https://fas.st/t/ZHbLxEpe (affiliate link

    19 min
  8. How to Build a Creative Ecosystem

    10/28/2025

    How to Build a Creative Ecosystem

    Building Your Creative Ecosystem: Nurturing Sustainable Artistry for Indie Musicians In this episode of Second Verse, hosted by Becky Boyland, indie music artists are guided on how to create and nurture a creative ecosystem that supports sustainable artistry. Sponsored by Attitude Creativity, the episode covers the importance of establishing an effective website and brand messaging. Becky emphasizes moving from clarity about one's artistic message to building a supportive environment that fosters growth. Key components include creative spaces, people, systems, and sustainability. Listeners are encouraged to develop intentional creative zones, build supportive circles, utilize structured systems, and prioritize rest in their creative journeys. https://youtu.be/1ja7IxIw9hU Connect with Becky Boyland: https://beckyboyland.comhttps://instagram.com/beckyboylandhttps://tiktok.com/beckyboylandhttps://facebook.com/beckyboylandmusic Sponsors: Attitude Creativity: https://attitudecreativity.com/blueprint Featured Song: ”Waiting for Wisdom” by Becky Boyland, written by Becky Boyland & Sharon Vaughn. Used with permission. All rights reserved. Timestamps: 00:00 SPONSOR: Attitude Creativity01:19 Episode Introduction02:03 Why Artists Need Creative Ecosystems04:42 The Four Components of a Creative Ecosystem16:25 Why a Creative Ecosystem Matters18:09 Coda19:34 Featured Song: "Waiting for Wisdom” Featured Music Playlist: Stream all the released music from Second Verse any time! Add the official Songs from the Second Verse Podcast playlist to your Spotify now! https://open.spotify.com/playlist/5lPUAY9uBYVVg9fmy03Bj3?si=5211c2db80334285 Starting your own podcast? Sign up with Captivate to host your show today! https://fas.st/t/ZHbLxEpe (affiliate link

    23 min

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🎙 Second Verse – Because it’s never too late to make music. Are you an indie artist or creative dreaming of a second chance at your music career? Second Verse is the podcast that celebrates independent musicians, singer-songwriters, and artists who got started—or started again—after a more traditional career. Join host Becky Boyland, a singer-songwriter and music branding expert, as she interviews indie artists who prove that success isn’t just for the young and major-label backed. Each episode dives into real-life stories of artists navigating their second verse in music—overcoming fears, finding their audience, and making their creative dreams a reality. 💡 What You’ll Get: ✅ Inspiring stories from independent musicians who took the leap ✅ Actionable tips for pursuing your music career at any stage ✅ Branding and marketing insights to grow your audience ✅ Motivation to finally take that next step toward your dream No matter where you are on your musical journey, Second Verse will help you feel seen, supported, and ready to take action. Subscribe now, leave a review, and visit secondversepod.com to submit your story, connect on social media, and start your own Second Verse. 🎶 Your dream is still waiting—let’s make music.