Show Me Creation Missouri Association for Creation

Steve talks about the Creation frauds Dr. Werner uncovered in his books and debunked that have been perpetrated on the public.
Marv then introduces Dr. Werner along with his credentials.
Dr. Werner explains how he came into the church and his belief in Creationism via the backdoor. Then, he attended medical school at age 18 & the first day they discussed evolution, and he bought the theories hook, line and sinker.
He thought he knew science and a friend started asking him questions about what he knew about evolution and creation over pizza. Through the conversation and questions asked of him that evening, Dr. Werner decided he did not know as much about science as he thought.
He then began to question himself about how life begins, and how life was formed here on earth. He then decided to believe in God and the Biblical version of creation and it took 6-months to come to the conclusion to become a Christian. The science caused him to conclude God had to be our creator.
He began to research Creationism in earnest, but he was not finding the answers he was searching for so he decided to write a book on Creationism.
So, 18-years after getting out of medical school it took him 27-years to finally collect the data, do the research and write the book.


Werner then talked about that first book.
He debunked the theories of the fossil record by evolutionists.
Steve Grimes then recommends that people start with Dr. Werner’s 1st book… Evolution: The Grand Experiment: The Quest for an Answer Illustrated Edition.


(Amazon Link: (https://www.amazon.com/Evolution-Grand-Experiment-Carl-Werner/dp/0892216816))
Then, in his series of books, Dr. Werner then discusses the second book: Vol2, Living Fossils…
https://www.amazon.com/s?k=living+fossils+werner&i=stripbooks&ref=nb_sb_ss_fb_1_14
Dr. Werner explains his thinking about how he approached that 2nd book.
Then, he discusses the Biblical Flood and how evolutionists hide evidence to preserve the theory of evolution.
Evolutionists hide fossils they could not explain that were found with the dinosaurs.
Then, Dr. Werner discusses his latest books, his third & fourth in the series.
Discussed how he worked on all the books at the same time over a long period of years…
Third book: Untold Stories of Human Evolution
Dr. Werner’s website: https://www.thegrandexperiment.com/book-series


Then, Dr. Werner, Steve Grimes & Marv Schaefer discuss….
Book 4 in the Series: Nine Categories Of Overturned Ape-Men
How Evolutionists committed fraud sometimes intentional & some unintentional…150 known frauds.
Then, Dr. Werner discusses how his entire life quest that the whole field of human evolution is flawed and the whole theory of naturalism collapsed.
Then, the three discuss the setup for Part 2 of this podcast.
Marv: Wraps up….


All Books & videos in the Series can be found at this link:
https://www.thegrandexperiment.com/book-series

They cover Stephen’s background, education, studies et.


Then, they discuss a paper he wrote about “which came first Adam or Death?” A look at Chronological Creationism.


Wrote paper in response to another paper written, and looked at precedence of Paul writings in Galatians 3 and Romans 4-Abraham came first, before Moses.


Are we to take the word, “days” literally?


Non-creationist argue, days in the bible didn’t really mean 24-hours.


Dr. Llyod brought up relative chronology, Abraham was before Moses, however how long before we don’t know. So, we need to go to the cross and look at it first. The cross and death of Jesus at the Cross was put in motion by Adam’s sin. No death before sin.


The Bible is telling a story so chronological order is important.


His methodology takes a look at the New Creation….and the Resurrection.


In the resurrection, Jesus overcame death. So, if God created death first and overcame something God himself created, the resurrection is less important. But, if death started with Adam’s sin, then overcoming death has a whole new and significant meaning.


Then, they move onto the flood. There is a redemptive quality to the flood as the animals saved come out on the other side of man’s sin just as the New Creation overcomes man’s sin.


So, the Flood was transformational and was worldwide not a local event as evolutionist believe. If local, all the people outside the flood zone would be excluded from God’s post flood promises.


All through Scripture, the stories are tied to reality that can no longer be argued away be archeological discoveries are backing it all up.


The Bible is not mythological, it’s all tied to history.


Canaanites feared God because everything He commanded kept coming true


A lot of the bigger issues in life and apologetics are answered through a logical approach to creationism.


They wrap it up and tell listeners when they can find it.


Here’s the link:


Adam or Death? Which came first. YouTube link:


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hb4tA5_JXhI


https://www.affinity.org.uk/news/439-adam-or-death-which-came-first/

Presentations that Paul gave at the UCCA for the ICC-International Creation Conference.


Concordance-Radiometric Isotope Dating-and why Creationist are interestedin this type of dating fossils.


-The constancy of the radioactive decay rates-varied by thousands of years.


-Accelerated nuclear decay accounts for the variance in ages.


-Then talked about the RATE project-Rate stands for Radioactivity & The Earth.


-Garner was interested in discordance in the rates and she took a look at it more closely. Took a large database of rocks and 29,000 isotopes and compared the rocks age range, as long as the margin of errors matched up. They concluded that was concordant if there was overlap.


-By comparing the ranges between more dates with the wide variety of radio isotope dating, the more discordance that is going on.


-The study authors gave wide latitude in the dating and the types of dating; however, there was consistency in discordance.


-New version of the database came out in January this year that will help determine the accuracy of the database.


-Do minerals give different dates within the same rocks? There is a lot more than can be done with the preliminary study.


Study Garner discusses he wants to expand upon and of course, his study raises a lot of questions for Creationists.


Number of talks at the International Creation Conference similar to what Garner discussed. A lot of advancement between the original ICC and the most recent conference.


Zachary promotes next podcast with Dr. Stephen Lloyd about Noah’s Flood and the Biblical record.

Garner gives organization’s contact information, website address: https://biblicalcreationtrust.org/ & where to find them on YouTube.


Talked about International Conference on Creationism at Cedarville, OH., and why it’s a great conference.


Real data driven presentations at the conference and why that is important in keeping the science pure to connect biblical bases information to those models.


They talked about the paleo-fossil database. Why this ICC conference was one of the best because of the quality of the presentations and because of the number of young people involved in creationist studies.


Then, they moved to one of Paul’s presentation titles, “Testing the order of the fossil record.”


Why people are often skeptical of the order of the fossil record?


And, the resolution of that skepticism….and the significance of the work of Dr. Kurt Wise. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kurt_Wise


The floating florist model and the correlation of the evolutionary trees.


Wise’s study and its limitations of his unpublished study and how they took Wise’s data and expanded upon it to see what patterns developed and what came out that study.


So, this study helped answer all sorts of questions while raising new creations.


Finding sequences in the order of the fossil record and where they fall pre-and-post the world flood depicted in the Bible.


Zachary Klein then wraps it up and then promotes the continuation of their discussion in their next episode of Show Me Creation.

Zachary Klein introduces the Mastodon State Historic site and why it is important to the Ice Age and the Biblical record.


How the first Mastodon found in Missouri became part of a carnival sideshow and then eventually to the British History Museum.


The difference between Mastodon and the European Wooly Mammoth of Siberia.


Then, Zach gets into an explanation of baraminology and the science behind this dating methodology and why it is significant to the archeological record.


The Mastodon is a separate family, separate creatures who were created to browse instead of graze.


Information on the Mastodon and the State Park found here:


Mhttps://mostateparks.com/park/mastodon-state-historic-siteore


Zach then goes on to explain what brought about the Ice Age and its impact on Mastodon and he ties it to the Great Flood of the Bible.


Little seasonal contrasts during the Ice Age added to our understanding of the arrival or timing of the glaciers of the Ice Age.


The bones at the Mastodon site are between 12-15,000 years old. Ice Age took place 30,000 years ago. Radiocarbon dating measures the carbon build up in the Mastodon bones. So, how did they determine if the Mastodons of the Park lived in the Ice Age. Then, they explained the calibration to date how old fossil bones and how they relate to the Creation model.


Coal seams in the Missouri fossil record determine when the organic materials was formed, died and decomposed and were compressed to create coal.


Animals at Mastodon were hunted and butchered there pointing the park as a hunting area by a nomadic tribe known as the Clovis culture. The first signs of the Clovis people were found in Clovis, New Mexico, thus the name.


The Great Flood of the Bible produced a climate change that allowed a rapid expansion of people across the earth. Genesis 1 is real and can be trusted.


The Bible’s account of the flood gave the earth a fresh start, not a myth. We can see evidence of it via the fossil record.


Zach then wraps up the video of the tour of the Mastodon State Park. The data collected at the park totally supports the Great Flood, the Ice Age and the Biblical Record.


More information here: https://www.columbiamissourian.com/special_section/tourism/southeast_missouri/discover-16-000-year-old-fossils-at-mastodon-state-park-in-imperial/article_3e52906e-c760-11ec-88be-eff28a91ab51.html


https://sciencebyseltzer.com/mastodon-state-historic-site/

Marv opens and introduces Steve and they immediately start to talk about the James Webb Space Telescope and what it is revealing about our universe.


The James Webb Space telescope and the new solar systems it’s revealing that scientists are debating as to when they were created,


What makes the telescope so amazing, the fact that we have the materials to make such a telescope and how Earth is perfectly positioned by God to view the Cosmos.


The telescope is making astrophysicists to rethink their theories and at least these scientists are willing to have discussions whereas biologists are not so inclined to entertain theories about evolution.


They then talk about the Big Bang Theory and singularity and what created the universe. Astrophysicists are now having to admit that they need to through out theories developed over the last 40-years now that they have the other evidence that the telescope is revealing.


We can see how the universe works but these scientists cannot really explain how it came to be without acknowledging the singularity of God.


The Big Bang Cosmology starts very simply; however, the Webb Space Telescope is showing that light or less heavy particles were emitted and not heavy particles. Webb is showing the building blocks of universe did not happen suddenly. It took a long, long time for the complex distant galaxies Webb is exposing and the Webb Telescope is devolving the theories of cosmology. There are galaxies that predate ours and scientist are discovering they are more complex than they previously thought. And, the time it took for God to create them upsets the timeline of cosmology.


Then, they explain why the Webb telescope is different Hubbell telescope because Webb is looking at at the infrared spectrum and measuring heat with great detail.


Webb is confirming what scientists thought they saw from Hubbell. But, Webb is taking it further by giving us better information and numbers that point to how fast the universe is expanding.


God gives us opportunities to see evidence of His creativity. And, how those opportunities make us all stand in awe in the awesome power of God.


They then talk about any system even the universe is designed by a higher power. It’s not random as scientists have tried to explain via the sudden event of the Big Bang Theory. There is absolutely a grand design being carried out by a grand creator.


Then, they describe how the Bible are describes the planets and the stars, but the Good Book was not written as a science book.


But, then they explain as the stars falling to the earth as foretold in the Bible as scientist and writer Neil degrass Tyson dismisses. (Neil deGrasse Tyson ( US: / dəˈɡræs / or UK: / dəˈɡrɑːs /; born October 5, 1958) is an American astrophysicist, author, and science communicator. Tyson studied at Harvard University, the University of Texas at Austin, and Columbia University. From 1991 to 1994, he was a postdoctoral research associate at Princeton University.


Then, they close about how the next two to five years what will the Webb Telescope will reveal how excited they are about it; however, scientists will try to dismiss them because they will not allow a Devine foot in the door or acknowledge God our Creator.