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Dr. Jason Jorjani… UFOs and National sovereignty…  Mars disclosure… evil Prometheus…  will AI generate PSI phenomenon?





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[00:00:00] Jason Reza Jorjani: PSI phenomena are a property of consciousness and if you actually succeed in building an artificial general intelligence, they will be forced eventually to study, the same types of phenomena that parapsychologists have been studying for close to a century now.

[00:00:16] Alex Tsakiris: Welcome to Skeptiko, where we explore controversial science and spirituality. I’m joined today by Dr. Jason Seriani. , Jason was here a couple months ago and gave us just, I thought a terrific interview and I know a lot of you enjoyed it as well.

[00:00:32] Alex Tsakiris: He’s back to talk about his book Closer Encounters. Jason, it’s great to have you back. Thanks for

[00:00:39] Jason Reza Jorjani: joining me. It’s an absolute pleasure to be here, Alex.

[00:00:43] Alex Tsakiris: , , if you’re a member of the last interview with Jason, , one of the things that he really spelled out and that he brings to the table, which is we’re just chatting about, is tremendous and unique.

[00:00:54] Alex Tsakiris: He’s not a lot of people who that are processing stuff at this intellectual level have this ability, but Jason, as he defines it, is a true philosopher, a real philosopher. So when he’s engaging in a topic like he is in closer encounters, UFOs, UAPs, contact with non-human intelligence, he’s engaging in all the different aspects of it.

[00:01:21] Alex Tsakiris: Political, social, technological, religious and spiritual and paranormal. And most importantly, and as he said, I thought so beautifully and importantly, last time, he’s doing it in a way that he is going to strive to make it internally consistent , within the framework of what he’s presenting, right?

[00:01:40] Alex Tsakiris: So I, I might not agree and you might not agree with all its conclusions, but you gotta respect that approach because almost everything we see in this area, even if there’s something you agree with, is siloed. You know, it’s like, oh, in my silo, here’s how things work. Well, don’t ask me about anything spiritual or religious.

[00:02:01] Alex Tsakiris: You know, don’t ask me about this. It’s just stay in my silo. So this, this approach is the only approach that can allow us to make any real. and it’s fantastic. And this is an important book that I really hope you pick up and, , and fully embrace. It’s, it’s another one that it’s not like super hard to read.

[00:02:22] Alex Tsakiris: It’s real readable, but man, is it dense? I mean, this is a lot of references to a lot of stuff in here, so congratulations, Jason. Great, great job. I’m so excited to talk

[00:02:33] Jason Reza Jorjani: to you about this. Thank you, Alex. Uh, yes, it is a very dense book. , I think it’s something like 400 pages or so, but it could easily have been a thousand pages.

Dianne Collins, Quantum Think system… quantum physics… personal empowerment… metaphor stretching?





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[00:00:00] Alex Tsakiris: welcome to Skeptiko, where we explore controversial science and spirituality. Today we welcome Diane Collins to Skeptiko to talk about her book. Do You Quantum? And her quantum thinking system. We’re gonna talk about that. You can find that@quantumthink.com, which, you know, I just found Diane kind of redirects to diane collins.com, but either way you will find it and you will find Diane, it’s pleasure to have you here.

[00:00:29] Alex Tsakiris: Thanks for joining me on

[00:00:30] Dianne Collins: Skeptiko. Thank you Alex. I was looking forward to it.

[00:00:36] Alex Tsakiris: I am too because, , you know, I did read the book and there’s so many things in the book that I really like, especially on a personal level and I definitely resonate with, uh, from a spirituality standpoint. And we had this very nice email exchange back and forth.

[00:00:52] Alex Tsakiris: You originally contacted me, I think, because you found my interview with, uh, Dr. Doug Matzke, quantum Doug on, , quantum computers and Extended Consciousness. So we had this email exchange. Back and forth. Right. And, and then, so we’re gonna talk about quantum think, but I’m gonna keep coming back to this angle that I told you in the initial email, which is, are you stretching the metaphor a little bit when it comes to quantum physics and what the implications of that are for consciousness and spirituality.

[00:01:28] Alex Tsakiris: So that’s gonna continue to be in the back of my head, but let’s talk about this really interesting book that I think a lot of people have enjoyed it’s, uh, bestseller award winner. And I think a lot of people would enjoy getting your take on it. So tell us, tell us what it means to quit. Do you, do you quantum think,

[00:01:49] Dianne Collins: Diane?

[00:01:50] Dianne Collins: Well, I do wanna address what you’re talking about. You know, this idea of, , By the way, that title, do you quantum think is to remind people? Are you quantum thinking right now? And let’s just say that my work is not about science. Quantum think is, I called it a system of thinking, 21 principles, which I call distinctions in thinking that is based in the, uh, the merging of science and spirituality in, you know, beyond scientific materialism, which I know that you have spoken about with so many of your guests and kind of where the context, where you come from.

[00:02:42] Dianne Collins: So what’s the difference of quantum? Think who am I, you know, if I, I’m not a scientist, I don’t pretend to be, um, Although I am scientifically minded and study the science quite extensively, well, quantum, what I discovered is that though we imagine, we think freely and independently, we all like to think of ourselves that way.

[00:03:11] Dianne Collins: Actually we don’t. And that we’re in a universe of systems and that thinking takes place as a system later, I learned that David Bone, the late grade quantum physicist, also, uh, thought of thinking that way and that the system is based in the assumptions, beliefs, ideas of the prevailing worldview and.

[00:03:40] Dianne Collins: This came across to me. I was in a conversation, uh, with a, my friend and I call him my mentor in quantum physics, self-appointed Dr. Fred Allen Wolf. And we were in a conversation about this and he wrote the book,

Mary Rodwell… hypnosis… healing… alien contact experience… UFO/UAP expereience… psychic abilities… past life regression.





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[00:00:00] Alex Tsakiris: Um, this episode of Skeptiko, , a show about the aliens that may be living among us

[00:00:09] Clip: This place is crawling with them. What’s that?

[00:00:13] Clip: Hey guys. Oh, thank God. And we started a community as survivors. Y’all come live with us.

Wait, how did you know? Come on. Redneck wants us to move into his community. Us. ​

[00:00:30] Alex Tsakiris: and switching to a totally serious straight up mode what their agenda may be.

[00:00:36] Mary Rodwell: I don’t believe they’ve come in with all that awareness. The downloads, the information, scientific information, don’t believe that’s for a waste of time. I believe there’s a reason behind it, there’s an agenda behind it, and I think it is going to change the consciousness of this planet at some point.

[00:00:52] Alex Tsakiris: , that first clip was from Key and Peel, where they’re yucking it up, but you kind of get a sense that, there’s a little bit more going on there, especially when you look at the movies that Jordan Peele has made. And the second clip was from today’s returning guest, Mary Rodwell, who I think is just amazing and terrific and will be absolutely over the top. Impossible for some people to process straight on. But nonetheless, , I think we have to, and we certainly do in this interview. And before I get to the interview, I wanted to play a clip that was kind of a post-interview discussion we were having.

[00:01:31] Alex Tsakiris: I think it’s really relevant to this question. I keep asking, you know, does ET have an n D E, does et have a life review, is really what I’m driving at. And Mary answers the. So here’s this extended clip, and then we will jump right into the interview.

[00:01:49] Mary Rodwell: I, there was a regression that I did with a gentleman who was very spiritual.

[00:01:53] Mary Rodwell: And he is one of the ets going to a very primitive society. And he basically said, we decimated them. We killed them all off. And, and they saw us as gods. And I know afterwards he was horrified. Mm-hmm. . But one of these gods that had come down and basically barbarically just decimated them. Didn’t, didn’t surprise me.

[00:02:14] Mary Rodwell: Cuz I think we’ve done the lot, you know, we’ve, we’ve done all of this ourselves. We’ve just, did

[00:02:19] Alex Tsakiris: he say, why did he say, was that his,

[00:02:21] Mary Rodwell: it’s just that superiority. He just wanted slaves. So the ones he kept alive were slaves. He was horrified afterwards. Cause he was a very spiritual guy and he was like, did I really do that?

[00:02:34] Mary Rodwell: You know? Mm. It seems like you did. You know, so,

[00:02:38] Alex Tsakiris: so you know what I, I’m tempted to if, if you’ll allow it. put that little vignette in cuz it directly answers, does et have an n d e, does et have a life review? Because the near death experience, to me, the, the most, one of the most beautiful spiritual aspects about it is, yes, you will be judged, but you will be the judge.

[00:03:03] Alex Tsakiris: Yes, you will be the judge, you will be the witness,

PMH Atwater… near-death experiencer… near-death experience researcher… NDE after effects… NDEs in children.





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[00:00:00] Alex Tsakiris: on, this episode of Skeptiko,

[00:00:04] Alex Tsakiris: you gotta deliver the goods.

[00:00:06] Alex Tsakiris: So the goods right now that I’m holding you accountable to is those IQ score. And you say you got ’em, and if you got ’em, you gotta show ’em. ,

[00:00:14] PMH Atwater: you keep your re research for 10 years and after 10 years you can throw away those.

[00:00:20] PMH Atwater: So I’ve thrown a, a number of ’em away, of course, cuz I, I’ve been doing this for, for 44 years. I’ve, I’ve only got O one box left now. , so that there’s just simply no way I can go back. .

[00:00:33] Alex Tsakiris: , it just doesn’t ring true. It, I’ll just straight up, it doesn’t ring true to me.

[00:00:37] Alex Tsakiris: Welcome to Skeptiko, where we explore controversial science and spirituality. Today we welcome near Death experience, researcher and author PMH Atwater. Her latest book is The Forever Angels Near Death, experiences in Childhood and Their Lifelong Impact.

[00:00:58] Alex Tsakiris: A book that done other. Then Bruce Grayson calls unprecedented Kenneth ring calls. Truly groundbreaking and pin Von Lamel says is a very important, valuable contribution now. If you know anything about near-death experience science, that is the real study of the phenomenon. You know that all of the folks I just mentioned are very prominent researchers with distinguished credentials, so their endorsement of this book I think is quite significant.

[00:01:30] Alex Tsakiris: P M H welcome, it’s great to have you here.

[00:01:33] PMH Atwater: It’s good to be here.

[00:01:35] Alex Tsakiris: Very good. So pmh, you’re known as a real trailblazer innovator, within the near death experience community, particularly because you have always maintained this focus on. NDE After Effects. And that’s been your thing. And you’ve brought forth some really important insights and changed the direction of this research.

[00:01:59] Alex Tsakiris: In this latest book, the Forever Angels you took it a, in a slightly different term, you looked at lifelong after effects among 120 people who had experienced an N D E very early in life. Why did you, uh, choose that particular.

[00:02:17] PMH Atwater: Well, bear in mind this is 397 people, so I’m looking at my previous research of those that were maybe, you know, kids up to maybe twenties and thirties, and then I’m now extending it to people in their seventies and eighties, and I’m saying to them, Did having a near-death experience as a child make any difference in your life?

[00:02:52] PMH Atwater: Uh, more or less an essay kind of thing, I suppose. Um, but I was asking them to tell me about it. And, and I’ll tell you , some of the replies were so tear stained. I could hardly read them. Well, one man sent me a book, I mean, literally a book, including pictures of his family. And although the things that it was now retired and looking back and you know, Bruce Grayson said, Nobody’s ever done this.

[00:03:29] PMH Atwater: Nobody’s ever thought of doing this. You know, looking at kids as kids from birth at the age of five especially, and then, you know, a little bit older. And then, you know, looking at the near death experience. Had a lot of experience with adult experiencers, teenagers, and. and, you know, you know,

Dr. Shiva Ayyadurai… MIT PhD…  ran for US Senate… email programmer.





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[00:00:03] Alex Tsakiris: Welcome to Skeptiko, where we explore controversial science and spirituality with leading researchers, thinkers, and their critics. I’m your host, Alex Sakara. today. We welcome Dr. Shiva Aura to Skeptiko. Very interesting show. I’m really looking forward to it. Anyway, you look at it, Dr. Shiva is a brilliant guy, accomplished guy. Really, his story is the embodiment of what we still think of as the American Dreams, slums of.

[00:00:36] Alex Tsakiris: Member of a crippling Indian, , caste system that we often forget, still holds a lot of sway in Indian society today, outlawed. But you know, hopefully we’ll have a little bit of time to talk about that. But somehow the guy that you see on the screen and that we’re talking about, he has the right stuff.

[00:00:58] Alex Tsakiris: He goes to school. I, I heard that in your high s high school math, he completed all the high school math courses by the time you were 12 years old. Graduated when you were 14. That’s basically right, right.

[00:01:11] Shiva Ayyadurai: Yeah. I mean, I created the first email system when I was 14. My high school didn’t have any more math classes to give me, so I ended up going to NYU in a special computer science program.

[00:01:20] Shiva Ayyadurai: And what we know is email today is what I created as a 14 year old kid before I came to m i t.

[00:01:25] Alex Tsakiris: Yeah. , we’ll talk about the email thing in a minute. , that kind of. Picks at me a little bit, so we’ll talk about that. But you go on, you get multiple degrees from m i t, like you just mentioned, including a PhD.

[00:01:37] Alex Tsakiris: You get a Fulbright scholarship, you start these businesses. Just an incredible life story. In 2020, you ran for the the US Senate in Massachusetts. And you did eventually lose. And I wanna talk about whether Trump did a rug pull on you on that thing or just how you felt about that situation.

[00:02:00] Alex Tsakiris: You lost to. Whitey White Meyer who went on to lose two to one, to the Democrat, who it was really a locked up democratic thing to begin with, but you kind of fought the good fight, and along the way you just take on all these kind of nuclear issues that you’re not afraid to take on vaccines, voter fraud.

[00:02:22] Alex Tsakiris: You’re out there really early on saying, Super straightforward. Like why are we forcing people to take these vaccines, , beyond questioning how efficacious they are or how safe they are. You’re also asking just the basic question that got lost in that, of, from a political standpoint, you know, why are we being forced to do that?

[00:02:43] Alex Tsakiris: So just as a way of kind of wrapping up this intro, because we are gonna have to kind of talk about a lot of different things. , you kind of take on everybody in sometimes in a way that agitates some people. I. You take on people that we wouldn’t expect you to take on as a kind of guy who ran for the United States Senate as a Republican.

[00:03:07] Alex Tsakiris: You’re taking on Tucker Carlson, you’re taking on, , James O’Keefe at Project Veritas. You’re taking on Joe Rogan. , you know, e everybody is in your, your your crosshairs and you’ve been coming down pretty hard on them. And now lately what we’ll talk about is your, Your movement, truth freedom health.com.

[00:03:30] Alex Tsakiris: So I’m just trying to lay out ...

Dr. Jason Reza Jorjani… philosopher…  redefined parapsychology…  alt-right image cheapening… Thomas Jefferson of Iran?





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[00:00:00] Alex Tsakiris: on this episode of Skeptiko, A show about being naive

[00:00:08] Clip: my father’s no different than any other powerful man. Any man who’s responsible for other people like a senator or president. Do you know how naive you sound? Why senators and presidents don’t have men killed?

[00:00:23] Clip: who’s being naive? Kay.

[00:00:25] Alex Tsakiris: and how to train yourself not to be.

[00:00:28] Jason Reza Jorjani: I have a very demanding meta philosophy, so ontology, epistemology, ethics, aesthetics, and then politics. And it’s not enough for the concepts that you develop to cut across all of these domains.

[00:00:42] Jason Reza Jorjani: They have to also be somehow, Consistent with one another. I mean, your ethics and politics has to follow from your ontology and epistemology. , otherwise, you will have certain naive commitments that go unquestioned.

[00:00:58] Alex Tsakiris: That first clip was of course, from the Godfather. , and the second was from today’s guest, . , Dr. Jason Gianni. This was a real paradigm shattering interview for me as it kind of made me wonder what it would really be like to play the five D chess of geopolitics on the big board. I hope you enjoy it.

[00:01:20] Alex Tsakiris: Welcome to Skeptiko, where we explore controversial science and spirituality with leading researchers, thinkers, and their critics. I’m your host, Alex Tsakiris, and today we’re joined by somebody I’m really, really excited to have on the show.

[00:01:36] Alex Tsakiris: , Dr. Jason Reza Gianni is somebody I’ve known about for a long time. And it’s really just an oversight cuz I’ve wanted to speak to him for the longest time. And then Chester from Skeptiko said, Hey, you really gotta talk to this guy. And I’m like, darn it.

[00:01:52] Alex Tsakiris: You’re right. I so want to, so this is going to be fantastic. I’m so looking forward to this. Jason is just a brilliant intellectual, a brilliant philosopher, lauded by. You know, all the most respected people in our little corner of the world here in Skeptiko, , the likes of thinking aloud. Jeffrey Mishk, who’s been on the show, who’s kind of canceled, cultured me because of Pizza Gate, but that’s okay.

[00:02:25] Alex Tsakiris: We might even talk about how he cancel cultured Jason, , lauded by, Jeffrey Kreel been on the show many times and has become kind of this, , shining star inside of this, again, corner of the world, of the intersection of UFOs and parapsychology and alternative spirituality.

[00:02:45] Alex Tsakiris: But he’s Rice University. He’s very, very mainstream in that respect, but out there pushing the edge. So Jason was held in just the highest regard by these folks in many other intellectuals. You know, you’d have to read in, in his latest book, , Promethean Pirate, which is a fantastic read. You can find it on Amazon along with so many of his other, , amazing books.

[00:03:10] Alex Tsakiris: I’ll share the screen now for a second, Jason, just so we can go through and look at some of those books so again, we probably won’t have a chance to talk about a lot of these, but they’re amazing , . So in the email exchange that I had with Jason though,