Slideshow with Dave Hayward

Dave Hayward, Europa Creative Partners

Slideshow is a podcast about ideas worth sharing, one slide deck at a time. In each episode, a guest brings in a handful of slides to unpack a bold idea, a clever framework, or a working demo. Host Dave Hayward (Europa Creative Partners) guides the conversation through business, marketing, strategy, technology and AI. We're all about making space for sharp insight, creative detours, and the occasional cosmic reference. More information and resources are available at www.europa.nz.

  1. Laura Burkhauser, Descript: Stop doom-spiralling about AI. Make a sandwich bet instead.

    MAR 29

    Laura Burkhauser, Descript: Stop doom-spiralling about AI. Make a sandwich bet instead.

    A framework that is both actionable AND delicious In this episode of Slideshow, Dave Hayward speaks with Laura Burkhauser, CEO of Descript, the AI-native video editing platform, about her practical framework for surviving the AI hype cycle without losing your ability to think clearly. The conversation covers the sandwich bet technique for defusing doom-spiral conversations by forcing specifics (what exactly, by when, measured how?), the "work slop" problem and Laura's internal Descript memo on AI and human thinking, why generative AI is missing its "Finding Nemo" moment, Dave's audience sandwich bets from Bright Objects readers, and what the word "intrepid" means when you're running a company through genuine disruption. Links: Laura Burkhauser, LinkedIn Descript Dave Hayward, LinkedIn Chapters 00:00 Cold open: intrepid 00:45 Introduction 02:00 Why AI hype exists: the cynical and good-faith takes 03:30 The AI political horseshoe: doomers vs hypers 05:30 Descript's AI-native origins (before AI was a discourse) 08:00 The generative AI problem: slop and the wrong conversation 09:00 Finding Nemo and what generative media is still missing 10:30 Human creativity will survive this moment 11:30 Vibe-coded briefs and the limits of AI in creative work 12:00 Work slop at Descript and the human collaboration memo 13:30 Writing as two acts: what you cannot delegate to AI 15:00 From hype to action: becoming a translation layer 16:30 AI hasn't reduced the workload: the rising tide reality 17:30 AI vs the internet: scale of impact and the 30-year problem 20:00 Non-linear careers: German literature meets tech 22:00 The sandwich bet: framework explained 24:00 Why sandwich bets shift conversations from fear to curiosity 25:00 Sandwich bets as an internal leadership tool at Descript 26:30 The Lisa Oakley crossover: depersonalising difficult decisions 27:30 Bread talk and Vogels toast 28:00 The Descript Slack bet: getting concrete on the labour market 29:30 From vague doom to specific, measurable hypotheses 30:30 Kahneman's system 2 and shifting from reacting to thinking 31:00 Optimism, the pandemic, and humanity's problem-solving capacity 32:00 Andrew Mason identified Laura as his successor within weeks 33:00 Intrepid: the leadership quality for a disruptive moment 34:30 Serenity prayer, Rumsfeld, and the limits of what you can control 35:00 The VP-to-CEO paradox: more accountability, less control 36:30 Wrap up FAQ What is a sandwich bet and how does it work? A sandwich bet is a conversational technique for defusing AI doom-spiral conversations. When someone makes a large, fear-inducing prediction, you ask them to make it specific and measurable: what exactly will happen, by when, and what metric would prove it? If they're right, you buy them a sandwich. The low stakes lower the emotional temperature. The act of getting concrete forces rational thinking. Laura uses it at Descript both in team conversations and externally when AI discourse becomes unproductive. How should business leaders think about AI's impact on jobs and the economy? Laura's position: people consistently overestimate AI's short-term impact and underestimate its long-term impact, the same pattern that played out with the internet. The internet took 30 years to fully reshape the economy. AI likely works on the same horizon. At Descript, full adoption of AI coding tools has actually increased the urgency to hire engineers, not reduced it. What is Descript and what does it do? Descript is an AI-native video and audio editing platform that lets users edit footage by editing a transcript, the same way you'd edit a text document. Its AI co-editor Underlord executes entire editing workflows from a single text prompt. Used by podcasters, content creators, business teams, and marketers who want professional results without specialist editing skills.

    38 min
  2. Lisa Oakley, People Associates: Conflict is data — and your business is leaking it

    MAR 23

    Lisa Oakley, People Associates: Conflict is data — and your business is leaking it

    Lisa Oakley has a private investigator's licence and a habit of walking into rooms where things have gone badly wrong. What she's found: the conflict usually wasn't the problem. The avoidance was. Produced by Europa Creative Partners (europa.nz). In this episode of Slideshow, host Dave Hayward speaks with Lisa Oakley, Director and Lead Consultant at People Associates, about why workplace conflict is best understood as data — information your organisation is generating, whether you act on it or not. The conversation covers the three types of conversations that prevent most workplace friction from escalating (expectation, accountability, and repair), a practical, hard-conversation framework drawn from problem-solving science, and why formal investigations often make things worse rather than better. Lisa also shares what she's seeing on the frontier of workplace HR: AI-generated complaints that are genuinely difficult to authenticate. Links: Lisa Oakley, LinkedIn Dave Hayward, LinkedIn Chapters 00:00 Introduction 01:00 Conflict is Data: The Core Reframe 03:00 Why Leaders Avoid Conflict (and What It Costs) 06:00 Intercultural Conflict in NZ Workplaces 09:00 The Three Conversations Every Leader Needs 12:00 A Problem-Solving Framework for Hard Conversations 15:00 Is This Relationship Recoverable? 18:00 Where Conflict Ends and Bullying Begins 19:00 What Leaders Get Wrong: Kindness Without Clarity 22:00 Delegating Conflict Upwards 24:00 PI Meets HR: AI-Generated Complaints 28:00 When Investigations Protract the Problem 31:00 The Art of a Real Apology 34:00 Conflict as Progress: The Boardroom Story 36:00 The "I Like, I Wonder" Technique 39:00 Wrap Up FAQ What is "conflict as data" and why does it matter for business leaders? Lisa Oakley's core idea is that conflict isn't a dysfunction to suppress — it's information your organisation is producing. The way a team handles disagreement, friction, or tension tells you something about your culture, your clarity, and your leadership. Treating it as data rather than a problem to eliminate means you can actually learn from it and act on it. Keywords conflict resolution, workplace conflict, leadership, difficult conversations, HR, people management, organisational culture, conflict management, New Zealand business, team performance, mediation, psychological safety, accountability, leadership development, high-performing teams

    41 min
  3. Ed Ortega: Deming, Toyota, Kaizen, Agile, AI. The future of work conversation you didn't know you needed

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    Ed Ortega: Deming, Toyota, Kaizen, Agile, AI. The future of work conversation you didn't know you needed

    Ed Ortega has spent 20 years in Silicon Valley at the intersection of technology, strategy, and how people actually work. He's a partner at Machine & Folk, and he's one of the clearest, most grounded thinkers on AI we've ever had on Slideshow. He's also, as we say in New Zealand, a bloody good bloke. This episode went somewhere neither of us expected. It starts in 1950, on a factory floor in postwar Tokyo, where an obscure American statistician named W. Edwards Deming was about to change the way the world makes things. It runs through the Toyota Production System, the Andon cord, a notorious GM plant in Fremont California where one in five workers didn't show up on any given day and thermoses of vodka were a workplace accessory, and a joint venture that transformed the same chaotic workforce into one of the best-performing plants in the country. Then it lands squarely in 2025 — and why most AI transformations are failing for exactly the same reason GM couldn't take what they learned at Fremont back to their other plants. The constraint is gone. The process stayed. That's the problem. We also watched a tool called Pencil build a fully designed CRM interface from a single prompt. About ten minutes, start to finish. Ed's seen the future of the designer/developer relationship and it looks nothing like the briefs, markups, and JIRA tickets most teams are still running today. And we talked about what happens to people when AI dissolves the bottleneck their entire workflow was built around — and why that's not a threat. It's the most interesting opportunity in business right now.

    1 min
  4. Ed Ortega: AI isn't stealing your job. It's changing it. (+ live build demo)

    MAR 8

    Ed Ortega: AI isn't stealing your job. It's changing it. (+ live build demo)

    No "AI is coming for your job" panic here. Ed Ortega, partner at Machine and Folk, joins Dave to talk about what AI transformation actually looks like from the inside — and then builds a working CRM prototype live on screen.Ed has spent the last few years watching companies navigate this shift in real time. In this conversation, he explains why the fear of job displacement misses the point, why the smartest leaders are using AI to multiply their teams, and why the biggest risk right now is standing still while your competitors speed up.Halfway through, we switch gears into a live demo of Pencil — a design tool where drawing and code are the same thing — and watch Ed build a fully designed CRM app from a single prompt. In about ten minutes. If you work with designers, developers, or anyone trying to figure out where AI fits in your business, this one is worth your time. In this episode: The gap between AI fear and AI realityThe sandwich bet: a framework for specific predictions over vague anxietyWhy AI multiplies great teams rather than replacing them- The Cezanne vs Picasso theory of transformationCase study: automating document data extraction (and what the team discovered halfway through)The designer-developer handoff problem — and how Pencil solves itLive demo: building a CRM in Pencil using Claude as the engineReverse migration: taking existing code back into a design environmentWhat the Toyota production line has to do with your AI workflow Links: Ed Ortega on LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/hellomundo/Dave Hayward on LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/haywarddave/Machine and Folk: https://machineandfolk.com/Europa Creative Partners: https://europa.nz/Bright Objects newsletter (AI, marketing, strategy): https://europa.nz/#subscribe Chapters: 00:00 Introduction 01:00 Ed Ortega and Machine and Folk 02:00 Is AI going to steal my job? 04:00 The sandwich bet framework 05:30 Early adopter advantage 06:30 The rising tide: multiplying engineers 08:00 The learning curve before the rocket ship 09:00 Switching from ChatGPT to Claude 11:00 Cezanne vs Picasso: two types of transformation 13:30 Agile and lean as the AI framework 15:00 Data extraction case study 18:00 Liberating people from work they shouldn't be doing 20:00 How design sprints have evolved 23:00 Vibe coding and its limits 25:00 The designer-developer handoff problem 27:00 Introducing Pencil 30:00 Toyota, Kaizen, and continuous improvement 33:30 Setting up the live demo 34:00 Demo: building a CRM in Pencil 40:00 Iterating without breaking the code 43:00 Reverse migration 45:00 Generating the Next.js prototype 49:00 Out-of-body experience for designers 50:30 Wrap up Slideshow with Dave Hayward is produced by Europa Creative Partners. #AI #FutureOfWork #AITransformation #VibeCoding #ProductDesign #ArtificialIntelligence #TechPodcast #ClaudeAI #MachineLearning #StartupGrowth

    51 min
  5. Personal brand, without the cringe! Guest Kerry Milne, GAP. Strategic Marketing.

    FEB 26

    Personal brand, without the cringe! Guest Kerry Milne, GAP. Strategic Marketing.

    No "seven-figure consulting entrepreneurs" here! How do you show up online in a way that is consistent with you and your values?This episode is a lot of fun - hilarious, creative, and strategic. Check it out.Produced by ⁠Europa Creative Partners (europa.nz).⁠In this episode of Slideshow, host Dave Hayward speaks with Kerry Milne, founder and MD of Gap Strategy, about the often-misunderstood concept of personal branding.Links:Kerry Milne, LinkedIn GAP. Strategic Marketing Dave Hayward, LinkedInThe conversation challenges common misconceptions about personal brand and reframes it as intentional reputation management for business leaders. Kerry shares her unique approach, drawing from her father's example as a small-town bank manager in 1980s Western Australia, to demonstrate how consistency and authenticity have always been at the heart of building trust.The discussion covers practical frameworks for defining your voice, signature beliefs, and content pillars, while addressing common concerns about appearing "braggy" or inauthentic. Kerry also shares insights from Dave's personal brand assessment, demonstrating how the process works in real time.Chapters00:00 Introduction: Confronting Personal Brand Scepticism03:04 Kevin Milne: The Original Personal Brand08:50 Why Personal Brand Matters for Commercial Success13:42 Liberation Through Audience Definition19:24 The Fellow Travelers Philosophy24:08 Vulnerability vs. Empathy in Professional Settings28:46 Finding Your Voice After Corporate Conformity34:32 The Five Components of Personal Brand40:15 Credibility vs. Authority: Understanding the Difference48:20 Dave's Personal Brand Revealed: The Chaos Monk55:37 Content Pillars and the Redo Paradox62:14 Networking Strategy and Channel Selection68:30 Dave's Blueprint Analysis and Implementation75:12 Wrap UpKeywordspersonal branding, reputation management, professional development, LinkedIn strategy, content strategy, business leadership, authenticity, consistency, entrepreneurship, career development, personal brand framework

    1h 17m
  6. Tim Warren: Kintsugi resilient leadership, with grit and grace

    12/16/2025

    Tim Warren: Kintsugi resilient leadership, with grit and grace

    Produced by Europa Creative Partners In this episode, Dave Hayward and Tim Warren explore the complexities of leadership through personal experiences and insights. Tim discusses the importance of resilience, trust, and emotional intelligence in navigating crises, both personal and professional. He introduces the concept of 'leading with grit and grace' and draws parallels with the Japanese art of kintsugi, emphasising the beauty in imperfection and the lessons learned from challenges. The conversation delves into the dynamics of control, ego, and the significance of communication in leadership, ultimately highlighting the transformative power of vulnerability and authenticity in guiding others. Chapters 00:00 The Concept of Leading with Grit and Grace 02:26 Key Experiences in Leadership 05:52 The Importance of Nature in Leadership 08:43 Crisis Management and Trust in Leadership 11:24 Personal Crises and Leadership Growth 14:42 Lessons from Failure and Governance 18:31 Navigating COVID-19 Challenges 21:36 The Paradox of Control in Leadership 22:28 Negotiating Salary Transparency 24:36 The Impact of Ego in Professional Settings 26:49 Finding Focus in Crisis 30:25 Understanding Emotional Dynamics in Sales 32:18 The Beauty of Resilience and Healing 33:44 Effective Communication During Crisis 35:55 Pre-Decisioning and Managing Stress 39:52 Empowering Control in Leadership 47:04 Wrap Up Keywords leadership, resilience, personal growth, crisis management, kintsugi, emotional intelligence, trust, governance, grit, grace

    48 min
  7. Avi Shenkin, End User: scaling unreasonable hospitality with AI

    12/16/2025

    Avi Shenkin, End User: scaling unreasonable hospitality with AI

    Produced by Europa Creative Partners. In this episode of Slideshow, host Dave Hayward speaks with Avi Shenkin, founder of End User, about her journey from a full-stack developer to an entrepreneur focused on creating purposeful technology. The show's theme is the concept of unreasonable hospitality, which emphasises the importance of going beyond basic service to create memorable customer experiences. Avi shares insights on how technology, particularly AI, can help scale these personalised experiences while maintaining a human touch. The conversation highlights the need for validation in software development, the emotional connections that can be fostered through intentional service, and the future of business in a world increasingly influenced by automation and AI. Chapters 00:00 Introduction to Unreasonable Hospitality 00:00 The Journey from Development to Strategy 02:50 Understanding Product-Market Fit 06:39 The Concept of Unreasonable Hospitality 10:17 Creating Memorable Experiences 13:59 Scaling Unreasonable Hospitality with Technology 19:24 Creating Personalized Itineraries 20:21 The Difference Between Service and Hospitality 21:20 Unreasonable Consistency in Customer Experience 24:25 Innovative Onboarding Experiences 28:46 Moments of Unreasonable Listening 34:32 Leveraging AI for Competitive Advantage 38:42 Wrap Up Keywords technology, entrepreneurship, unreasonable hospitality, customer experience, AI, innovation, software development, business strategy, validation, scaling

    40 min
  8. An epic AI speed run with Mike Bayly, Allexive & the AI Corner

    11/23/2025

    An epic AI speed run with Mike Bayly, Allexive & the AI Corner

    What happens when you throw Slideshow with Dave Hayward with the AI Corner podcast, with a bunch of AI tools and a blank marketing brief? Spoiler: chaos, creativity, and a joyful new product marketing plan. In this crossover episode of Slideshow, I team up with the excellent Mike Bayly from Allexive and AI Corner to test-drive a heap of AI tools in real-time. We go from idea to prototype to pitch, all inside 40 minutes. We cover: The brutal truth about AI output quality Why human-AI collaboration is the real magic How prototyping with AI can supercharge your go-to-market Why we both love the awkward middle part of creativity Plus: a micro-launch idea for a fictional product that might actually be… pretty good? It’s live, loose, and loaded with takeaways. Watch it. Try it. Steal it. Links and things: Dave Hayward: LinkedIn | Europa Mike Bayly: LinkedIn | Allexive | AI Corner Sign up for Bright Objects, our newsletter on AI, marketing, and strategy: europa.nz/#subscribe Chapters: 00:00 Introduction and Crossover Concept 00:58 AI Corner and Its Purpose 03:29 Demo-Based Exploration of AI Tools 06:18 The Reality of AI Outputs 09:04 The Role of AI in Communication 12:05 AI as a Leveler for Businesses 14:25 Prototyping and Rapid Development with AI 17:10 Planning a Micro Launch Initiative 20:09 Generating Ideas for Product Launch 22:40 Deep Research and Competitor Insights 24:22 Exploring Four Square and Its Competitors 25:31 Using AI Tools for Product Development 27:29 Creating a Product Mockup and Marketing Strategy 28:37 The Impact of Generative UI on User Experience 32:21 Leveraging AI for Efficient Research and Insights 35:26 Finalising Product Details and Launch Strategy 41:40 Wrap Up Keywords: AI, marketing, product launch, demo, technology, collaboration, innovation, communication, tools, strategy

    42 min

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Slideshow is a podcast about ideas worth sharing, one slide deck at a time. In each episode, a guest brings in a handful of slides to unpack a bold idea, a clever framework, or a working demo. Host Dave Hayward (Europa Creative Partners) guides the conversation through business, marketing, strategy, technology and AI. We're all about making space for sharp insight, creative detours, and the occasional cosmic reference. More information and resources are available at www.europa.nz.