86 episodes

Casual conversations with founders, technologists, investors, and artists about building a brighter future, together. Welcome to our digital living room. 
With science, technology and entrepreneurship we can *continue* to create unfathomable leaps in quality of life. We show you how to find, apply, build, and invest in technologies to change your life and the world. 
When we have smart friends, we do smart things. When we do smart things, we save the world. 
No matter who, where, or when you are – now you have smart friends, too. 
Outside this podcast, I’m the author of The Almanack of Naval Ravikant and The Anthology of Balaji. Connect at ejorgenson.com 
Laugh and learn with people like Balaji Srinivasan, Naval Ravikant, Andrew Wilkinson, Austen Allred, David Senra, Josh Storrs Hall, Ashley Rindsberg, Zach Pettet, Bret Kugelmass, Omar ElNaggar, Grace Guo, Brett Kopf, Max Olson, Chris Williamson, Shane Mac, Tim Hwang, David Perell, Jason Hitchcock, Natalia Karayaneva, Sebastian Marshall, Taylor Pearson, Mitchell Baldridge and more.
Join conversations with my partners in early-stage tech investing, Bo Fishback and Al Doan. Our Rolling Fun Episodes cover our investments and escapades as angel investors and startup helpers. We invest in startups creating the *next* industrial revolution. Learn more at rolling.fun
“Surround yourself with people who remind you more of your future than of your past.”

Smart Friends Eric Jorgenson

    • Business
    • 4.9 • 109 Ratings

Casual conversations with founders, technologists, investors, and artists about building a brighter future, together. Welcome to our digital living room. 
With science, technology and entrepreneurship we can *continue* to create unfathomable leaps in quality of life. We show you how to find, apply, build, and invest in technologies to change your life and the world. 
When we have smart friends, we do smart things. When we do smart things, we save the world. 
No matter who, where, or when you are – now you have smart friends, too. 
Outside this podcast, I’m the author of The Almanack of Naval Ravikant and The Anthology of Balaji. Connect at ejorgenson.com 
Laugh and learn with people like Balaji Srinivasan, Naval Ravikant, Andrew Wilkinson, Austen Allred, David Senra, Josh Storrs Hall, Ashley Rindsberg, Zach Pettet, Bret Kugelmass, Omar ElNaggar, Grace Guo, Brett Kopf, Max Olson, Chris Williamson, Shane Mac, Tim Hwang, David Perell, Jason Hitchcock, Natalia Karayaneva, Sebastian Marshall, Taylor Pearson, Mitchell Baldridge and more.
Join conversations with my partners in early-stage tech investing, Bo Fishback and Al Doan. Our Rolling Fun Episodes cover our investments and escapades as angel investors and startup helpers. We invest in startups creating the *next* industrial revolution. Learn more at rolling.fun
“Surround yourself with people who remind you more of your future than of your past.”

    Alex Komoroske: Systems Thinking, Builders vs Gardeners, and Working In Large Organizations

    Alex Komoroske: Systems Thinking, Builders vs Gardeners, and Working In Large Organizations

    Topics:
    (00:00:00) - Intro
    (00:03:52) - The Gardener of Systems
    (00:07:43) - Builders vs. Gardeners
    (00:11:09) - Who are the best farmers of miracles?
    (00:16:52) - How did you become a “systems” person?
    (00:23:45) - What does Systems Thinking look like for you?
    (00:53:09) - Alex’s Slime Mold deck
    (00:55:12) - The iterative, adjacent possible
    (00:59:53) - Alex’s experience at Google
    (01:03:12) - AI uses and potentials
    (01:17:54) - Book recommendations

    Links:
    Alex’s website
    Alex on X
    Alex on LinkedIn
    Emergence by Steven Johnson
    The Systems Bible by John Gall
    The Origin of Wealth by Eric Beinhocker


    To support the costs of producing this podcast: 
    >> Buy a copy of the Navalmanack: www.navalmanack.com/ 
    >> Buy a copy of The Anthology of Balaji: https://balajianthology.com/
    >> Sign up for my online course and community about building your Personal Leverage: https://www.ejorgenson.com/leverage 
    >> Invest in early-stage companies alongside Eric and his partners at Rolling Fun: https://angel.co/v/back/rolling-fun
    >> Join the free weekly email list at ejorgenson.com/newsletter
    >> Text the podcast to a friend
    >> Or at least give the podcast a positive review to help us reach new listeners! 

    Important quotes from Alex Komoroske:

    "I think that to really wrestle with systems you have to let go and just dance with the system."
    — Alex Komoroske

    "I like the word gardening because it underlines that you are not in control of this system. You are influencing it."
    — Alex Komoroske

    "The builder gets immediately to work, but the gardener understands that other things can be alive."
    — Alex Komoroske

    "Technology should be about helping people create and use hand-tuned tools to extend their agency in collaborative ways."
    — Alex Komoroske

    "If people who are very unlike each other all find it interesting or intriguing, that's a good sign that it will spread out to be a very large audience."
    — Alex Komoroske

    • 1 hr 20 min
    The Alliance of Entrepreneurs and Scientists with Arkady Kulik of RPV

    The Alliance of Entrepreneurs and Scientists with Arkady Kulik of RPV

    Topics:
    (00:00:00) - Intro
    (00:04:43) - Russian interpretations of friendship
    (00:09:28) - Thoughts on the state of society and its rate of technological adoption
    (00:13:22) - Creating alliances between entrepreneurs, capitalists, and scientists
    (00:17:17) - Rick Rubin on Creativity in Investing
    (00:20:55) - Does Taste exist in the world of VC?
    (00:26:06) - Becoming a better Communicator
    (00:40:59) - What archetypes do you see in the folks you work with?
    (00:44:18) - Arkady’s background and career
    (01:00:34) - Arkady’s thesis and technical due diligence for rpv
    (01:11:26) - Companies Arkady is excited about
    (01:16:55) - What important problems are you not seeing pursued?
    (01:21:11) - How can people get in touch with you?

    Links:
    Arkady on LinkedIn
    Rpv Venture Fund
    Specialist by Robert Sheckley
    The Creative Act by Rick Rubin

    To support the costs of producing this podcast: 
    >> Buy a copy of the Navalmanack: www.navalmanack.com/ 
    >> Buy a copy of The Anthology of Balaji: https://balajianthology.com/
    >> Sign up for my online course and community about building your Personal Leverage: https://www.ejorgenson.com/leverage 
    >> Invest in early-stage companies alongside Eric and his partners at Rolling Fun: https://angel.co/v/back/rolling-fun
    >> Join the free weekly email list at ejorgenson.com/newsletter
    >> Text the podcast to a friend
    >> Or at least give the podcast a positive review to help us reach new listeners! 

    Important quotes from Arkady Kulik:

    "Good communication is essential to avoid conflicts and build better relationships, both personally and professionally."
    — Arkady Kulik

    "Aligning visions with founders is critical. It’s not just about the business, it’s about shared values and missions."
    — Arkady Kulik

    "The alliance between entrepreneurs and scientists is the key to unlocking humanity's transition to an advanced civilization."
    — Arkady Kulik

    "Technology is the only source of never-ending growth. Our ability to reshape what we have with a small amount of resources into something fantastic is a never-ending source of creativity."
    — Arkady Kulik

    "People who are not true to themselves and lie to themselves are not founder material. The people who don’t lie to themselves and know what they are trying to do are the ones who can actually get there."
    — Arkady Kulik

    • 1 hr 24 min
    Flywheel Masterclass, Flying Planes, and Building For Creators with Nathan Barry of Convertkit

    Flywheel Masterclass, Flying Planes, and Building For Creators with Nathan Barry of Convertkit

    Topics:
    (00:00:00) - Intro
    (00:05:10) - The decision to live in Idaho
    (00:08:21) - Nathan’s flying hobby
    (00:15:09) - Building Flywheels
    (00:46:07) - Incentive compensation and giving people ownership
    (01:06:39) - Inflection points in building ConverKit
    (01:14:16) - How to work on a ton of things
    (01:23:15) - What are the rules of thumb you use the most in life?

    Links:
    Nathan Barry on X
    ConvertKit
    Nathan’s website
    Elon Musk by Walter Isaacson
    Good to Great by Jim Collins
    Small Giants by Bo Burlingham

    To support the costs of producing this podcast: 
    >> Buy a copy of the Navalmanack: www.navalmanack.com/ 
    >> Buy a copy of The Anthology of Balaji: https://balajianthology.com/
    >> Sign up for my online course and community about building your Personal Leverage: https://www.ejorgenson.com/leverage 
    >> Invest in early-stage companies alongside Eric and his partners at Rolling Fun: https://angel.co/v/back/rolling-fun
    >> Join the free weekly email list at ejorgenson.com/newsletter
    >> Text the podcast to a friend
    >> Or at least give the podcast a positive review to help us reach new listeners! 

    Important quotes from Nathan Barry on building audience, wealth, and startups:

    "If I look back at all the good things that have happened in my career in the last 3 years, they all come from writing. One little habit of writing 1,000 words a day revolutionized my career."
    — Nathan Barry

    "ATTENTION IS THE MOST VALUABLE RESOURCE"
    — Nathan Barry

    "When you start writing you don’t have to worry about crafting perfect prose. Instead you just need to focus on teaching useful skills."
    — Nathan Barry

    Making money is a skill—like playing the drums or piano—that you can get better at over time. 
    I wouldn’t expect to be able to sit down at a piano for the first time and play a concerto. The same is true for making money. 
    This is why most first companies fail.
    — Nathan Barry, Ladders of Wealth Creation

    • 1 hr 31 min
    Rolling Fun #8: New LPs, Mark-ups, Giant Guns for Space Cargo, How to Find a Lead Investor, Software for Manufacturing, AI for Ecomm.

    Rolling Fun #8: New LPs, Mark-ups, Giant Guns for Space Cargo, How to Find a Lead Investor, Software for Manufacturing, AI for Ecomm.

    Links:
    Join us in Rolling Fun!
    Hear our other Rolling Fun eps!

    Rolling Fun GPs:
    Al Doan - Founder of Creativity Inc., a $100m+ collection of e-commerce brands. Founder of Pretzel. BS from BYU Hawaii, OPM at HBS. Makes one hell of a peach cobbler. (Twitter, LinkedIn)
    Bo Fishback - Founder of Lightspeed Genomics (acq 2008), Orbis Biosciences (acq 2020), Zaarly (acq 2020). BS in Biomedical Engineering from SMU, MBA at HBS. Once drank a whole gallon of milk in an hour. (Twitter, LinkedIn)
    Eric Jorgenson - CEO at Scribe Media. Author of Almanack of Naval Ravikant. Has a podcast. Barely graduated from a state school. Received a cease & desist from Craigslist for some frowned-upon marketing techniques. (Twitter, LinkedIn)

    Topics:
    (00:00:00) - Intro
    (00:02:49) - Showing love for new LPs
    (00:10:25) - Q1 New Investment: Dirac
    (00:16:23) - Q1 New Investment: Reactiv
    (00:26:53) - Q1 New Investment: Longshot
    (00:34:44) - How Founders can find lead investors
    (00:52:05) - Stell Engineering raised a Seed round! 


    To support the costs of producing this podcast: 
    >> Buy a copy of the Navalmanack: www.navalmanack.com/ 
    >> Buy a copy of The Anthology of Balaji: https://balajianthology.com/
    >> Sign up for my online course and community about building your Personal Leverage: https://www.ejorgenson.com/leverage 
    >> Invest in early-stage companies alongside Eric and his partners at Rolling Fun: https://angel.co/v/back/rolling-fun
    >> Join the free weekly email list at ejorgenson.com/newsletter
    >> Text the podcast to a friend
    >> Or at least give the podcast a positive review to help us reach new listeners! 

    Important quotes from Naval on building wealth and the difference between wealth and money:
     
    How to get rich without getting lucky. - Naval Ravikant
     
    Making money is not a thing you do—it’s a skill you learn. - Naval Ravikant
     
    Seek wealth, not money or status. - Naval Ravikant
     
    Wealth is having assets that earn while you sleep. - Naval Ravikant
     
    Money is how we transfer time and wealth. - Naval Ravikant
     
    Ignore people playing status games. They gain status by attacking people playing wealth creation games. 
     
    You’re not going to get rich renting out your time. You must own equity—a piece of a business—to gain your financial freedom. - Naval Ravikant
    Important quotes from the podcast by Naval on Leverage:
     
    “Give me a lever long enough and a place to stand, and I will move the earth.” 
    —Archimedes 
     
    To get rich, you need leverage. Leverage comes in labor, comes in capital, or it can come through code or media. But most of these, like labor and capital, people have to give to you. For labor, somebody has to follow you. For capital, somebody has to give you money, assets to manage, or machines. - Naval Ravikant
     
    Capital and labor are permissioned leverage. Everyone is chasing capital, but someone has to give it to you. Everyone is trying to lead, but someone has to follow you. - Naval Ravikant
     
    Code and media are permissionless leverage. They’re the leverage behind the newly rich. You can create software and media that works for you while you sleep. - Naval Ravikant
     
    If you can’t code, write books and blogs, record videos and podcasts. - Naval Ravikant
     
    Leverage is a force multiplier for your judgment. - Naval Ravikant
     
    Apply specific knowledge, with leverage, and eventually you will get what you deserve. - Naval Ravikant
     
    Important Quotes from the podcast on Business and Entrepreneurship
     
    There is no skill called “business.” Avoid business magazines and business classes. - Naval Ravikant
     
    You have to work up to the point where you can own equity in a business. You could own equity as a small shareholder where you bought stock. You could also own it as an owner where you started the company. Ownership is really important.  
     
    Everybody who really makes money at some point owns a piece of a product, a business, or some IP. That can be through stock options if you work at a tech co

    • 56 min
    Rolling Fun #7: Q4 Updates: Nuclear Fusion, AI for Kids, AI Manufacturing — and how founders can find lead investors

    Rolling Fun #7: Q4 Updates: Nuclear Fusion, AI for Kids, AI Manufacturing — and how founders can find lead investors

    Links:
    Join us in Rolling Fun!
    Hear our other Rolling Fun eps!

    Rolling Fun GPs:
    Al Doan - Founder of Creativity Inc., a $100m+ collection of e-commerce brands. Founder of Pretzel. BS from BYU Hawaii, OPM at HBS. Makes one hell of a peach cobbler. (Twitter, LinkedIn)
    Bo Fishback - Founder of Lightspeed Genomics (acq 2008), Orbis Biosciences (acq 2020), Zaarly (acq 2020). BS in Biomedical Engineering from SMU, MBA at HBS. Completed the ‘impossible’ Gallon Challenge, drinking a whole gallon of milk in an hour. (Twitter, LinkedIn)
    Eric Jorgenson - Founding team of Zaarly. Author of Almanack of Naval Ravikant. Has a podcast. Barely graduated from a state school. Received a cease & desist from Craigslist for some frowned-upon marketing techniques. (Twitter, LinkedIn)


    Topics:
    (00:00:00) - Intro
    (00:00:06) - Warming up the vocals/ catching up
    (00:09:14) - Q4 Catch-up and new deal flow
    (00:15:16) - Portola
    (00:41:40) - Atomic Industries 


    To support the costs of producing this podcast: 
    >> Buy a copy of the Navalmanack: www.navalmanack.com/ 
    >> Buy a copy of The Anthology of Balaji: https://balajianthology.com/
    >> Sign up for my online course and community about building your Personal Leverage: https://www.ejorgenson.com/leverage 
    >> Invest in early-stage companies alongside Eric and his partners at Rolling Fun: https://angel.co/v/back/rolling-fun
    >> Join the free weekly email list at ejorgenson.com/newsletter
    >> Text the podcast to a friend
    >> Or at least give the podcast a positive review to help us reach new listeners! 

    Important quotes from Naval on building wealth and the difference between wealth and money:
     
    How to get rich without getting lucky. - Naval Ravikant
     
    Making money is not a thing you do—it’s a skill you learn. - Naval Ravikant
     
    Seek wealth, not money or status. - Naval Ravikant
     
    Wealth is having assets that earn while you sleep. - Naval Ravikant
     
    Money is how we transfer time and wealth. - Naval Ravikant
     
    Ignore people playing status games. They gain status by attacking people playing wealth creation games. 
     
    You’re not going to get rich renting out your time. You must own equity—a piece of a business—to gain your financial freedom. - Naval Ravikant
    Important quotes from the podcast by Naval on Leverage:
     
    “Give me a lever long enough and a place to stand, and I will move the earth.” 
    —Archimedes 
     
    To get rich, you need leverage. Leverage comes in labor, comes in capital, or it can come through code or media. But most of these, like labor and capital, people have to give to you. For labor, somebody has to follow you. For capital, somebody has to give you money, assets to manage, or machines. - Naval Ravikant
     
    Capital and labor are permissioned leverage. Everyone is chasing capital, but someone has to give it to you. Everyone is trying to lead, but someone has to follow you. - Naval Ravikant
     
    Code and media are permissionless leverage. They’re the leverage behind the newly rich. You can create software and media that works for you while you sleep. - Naval Ravikant
     
    If you can’t code, write books and blogs, record videos and podcasts. - Naval Ravikant
     
    Leverage is a force multiplier for your judgment. - Naval Ravikant
     
    Apply specific knowledge, with leverage, and eventually you will get what you deserve. - Naval Ravikant
     
    Important Quotes from the podcast on Business and Entrepreneurship
     
    There is no skill called “business.” Avoid business magazines and business classes. - Naval Ravikant
     
    You have to work up to the point where you can own equity in a business. You could own equity as a small shareholder where you bought stock. You could also own it as an owner where you started the company. Ownership is really important.  
     
    Everybody who really makes money at some point owns a piece of a product, a business, or some IP. That can be through stock options if you work at a tech company. That’s a fine way to start.

    • 50 min
    The First Artificial Human Arm with Tyler Hayes of Atom Limbs

    The First Artificial Human Arm with Tyler Hayes of Atom Limbs

    Links:
    Atom Limbs
    Waitlist
    Crowdfunding Round - Wefunder
    Tyler on X

    Topics:
    (00:00:00) - Intro
    (00:02:19) - Inside building Atom Limbs  
    (00:18:37) - The process of researching what knowledge was needed to build this company
    (00:27:26) - Feedback loops in prosthetics
    (00:29:23) - Where is Atom Limbs today?
    (00:40:48) - Wild, irresponsible speculation: Where do you hope this company will be in 50 years?
    (00:48:30) - Are there ways for these prosthetics to extend lifespan?
    (00:52:21) - What’s the price point you’re speculating for a prosthetic?
    (00:55:32) - How do you see the next 18 months playing out?
    (01:03:16) - How can people support you?


    To support the costs of producing this podcast: 
    >> Buy a copy of the Navalmanack: www.navalmanack.com/ 
    >> Buy a copy of The Anthology of Balaji: https://balajianthology.com/
    >> Sign up for my online course and community about building your Personal Leverage: https://www.ejorgenson.com/leverage 
    >> Invest in early-stage companies alongside Eric and his partners at Rolling Fun: https://angel.co/v/back/rolling-fun
    >> Join the free weekly email list at ejorgenson.com/newsletter
    >> Text the podcast to a friend
    >> Or at least give the podcast a positive review to help us reach new listeners! 

    Important quotes from Naval on building wealth and the difference between wealth and money:
     
    How to get rich without getting lucky. - Naval Ravikant
     
    Making money is not a thing you do—it’s a skill you learn. - Naval Ravikant
     
    Seek wealth, not money or status. - Naval Ravikant
     
    Wealth is having assets that earn while you sleep. - Naval Ravikant
     
    Money is how we transfer time and wealth. - Naval Ravikant
     
    Ignore people playing status games. They gain status by attacking people playing wealth creation games. 
     
    You’re not going to get rich renting out your time. You must own equity—a piece of a business—to gain your financial freedom. - Naval Ravikant
    Important quotes from the podcast by Naval on Leverage:
     
    “Give me a lever long enough and a place to stand, and I will move the earth.” 
    —Archimedes 
     
    To get rich, you need leverage. Leverage comes in labor, comes in capital, or it can come through code or media. But most of these, like labor and capital, people have to give to you. For labor, somebody has to follow you. For capital, somebody has to give you money, assets to manage, or machines. - Naval Ravikant
     
    Capital and labor are permissioned leverage. Everyone is chasing capital, but someone has to give it to you. Everyone is trying to lead, but someone has to follow you. - Naval Ravikant
     
    Code and media are permissionless leverage. They’re the leverage behind the newly rich. You can create software and media that works for you while you sleep. - Naval Ravikant
     
    If you can’t code, write books and blogs, record videos and podcasts. - Naval Ravikant
     
    Leverage is a force multiplier for your judgment. - Naval Ravikant
     
    Apply specific knowledge, with leverage, and eventually you will get what you deserve. - Naval Ravikant
     
    Important Quotes from the podcast on Business and Entrepreneurship
     
    There is no skill called “business.” Avoid business magazines and business classes. - Naval Ravikant
     
    You have to work up to the point where you can own equity in a business. You could own equity as a small shareholder where you bought stock. You could also own it as an owner where you started the company. Ownership is really important.  
     
    Everybody who really makes money at some point owns a piece of a product, a business, or some IP. That can be through stock options if you work at a tech company. That’s a fine way to start.

    • 1 hr 8 min

Customer Reviews

4.9 out of 5
109 Ratings

109 Ratings

kjb0514 ,

Engaging and impactful!

Eric's deep-dive conversations with tech visionaries offer practical insights for a brighter, tech-powered world. Engaging and impactful are just a couple of the words I'd use to describe the time you'll spend with them. Thanks so much for putting out such a gem, Eric - keep up the great work!

Ryan A Pickering ,

Abundant futures without the hot air

New listener, 6 episodes in. Digging the dialogues around how we can build businesses that can prepare to way for an abundant future. While so many investment podcasts spin into the abstract of computing and finance. Smart Friends stays rooted in the physical world, connecting the dots between today and the Second Industrial Revolution.

Sky1248583 ,

This Show is Amazing

Eric is a fantastic interviewer who lets guests continue on. The show wanders through tech, life, crypto, and hard things to build. Each episode is a must listen.

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