Sober Friends

Matt J
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The Sober Friends Podcast: Two Guys Talking Recovery Matt and Steve have been sober for over a decade each. They still don't have it all figured out. This is a podcast about recovery - AA recovery specifically - but it's not your sponsor's recovery podcast. It's two friends talking through the stuff that actually matters: What do you DO when you're not drinking? How do you handle control issues 15 years in? Why does calling someone in recovery feel so goddamn hard? What happens when you remove alcohol but don't replace it with anything? And seriously, do you miss drinking or do you just miss the relief? Every week Matt and Steve work through these questions together - sometimes they have answers, sometimes they're figuring it out in real time, and sometimes they just need to talk it out like you do with a friend who gets it. If you're in recovery, thinking about recovery, or just trying to figure out how to live without alcohol as your coping mechanism - welcome. Grab some coffee. Let's talk. Topics: Alcoholics Anonymous, 12-step recovery, sobriety, addiction, relapse, service work, early recovery, staying sober, and everything in between. Matt and Steve work AA programs but speak only for themselves. This show isn't affiliated with Alcoholics Anonymous. New episodes weekly at soberfriendspod.com

  1. 2D AGO

    E271: You Can Do Everything Right and Still Get a Sh*t Storm

    Send us Fan Mail You planned it. You prepped it. You showed up. And it still went sideways. This week, Matt and Steve dig into one of recovery's most frustrating truths — doing the work doesn't guarantee the outcome you want. They unpack the slogan "plan the action, not the result" and why it's a lot easier to say than to actually live, especially when you're white-knuckling a presentation, making amends to someone who might unload on you, or trying to grow blueberries in the wrong soil for five years running. The conversation gets real about the difference between genuine effort and outcome obsession — and why confusing the two is a fast track to resentment, anxiety, and that specific kind of misery that comes from feeling like you did everything right and still got screwed. This one's for anyone who's ever beaten themselves up after a bad result they couldn't control. Which is probably all of us. Support the show 📫 Get more honest conversations about sobriety delivered to your inbox! Subscribe to The Sober Friends Dispatch, our weekly newsletter where we go beyond the podcast to share real strategies for alcohol-free living. Join our community by clicking here.

    39 min

  2. APR 7

    E270: The Most Owned, Least Understood Book in Recovery

    Send us Fan Mail A lot of people in AA have a Big Book. Fewer people know how to actually use it. Matt was one of those people for a long time — and he's willing to admit it. In this episode Matt and Steve dig into what the Big Book actually is and what it isn't. It's not a memoir. It's not a devotional. It's not a loose collection of Bill Wilson's thoughts. It's a textbook — sequential by design, with chapters that build on each other deliberately. Read it out of order, rush through it, or try to go it alone and you'll likely miss most of what it's trying to teach you. They talk about why the book works best when you go through it with someone who knows it — a sponsor, a Big Book study group, or resources like Joe and Charlie — and why the stories in the back, as valuable as they are for identifying with the problem, are not the instructions. The first 164 pages are the instructions. Matt also recommends Writing the Big Book by William Schaberg — a deep dive into the original source material and manuscripts that gives you the historical context to understand what you're actually reading. If the Big Book has felt confusing, inaccessible, or like something you had to get through rather than something you got to learn from — this episode is for you. Find Sober Friends: Website: https://www.soberfriendspod.com Email: matt@soberfriendspod.com Support the show 📫 Get more honest conversations about sobriety delivered to your inbox! Subscribe to The Sober Friends Dispatch, our weekly newsletter where we go beyond the podcast to share real strategies for alcohol-free living. Join our community by clicking here.

    30 min

  3. MAR 31

    E269: The Recipe

    Send us Fan Mail Nobody gets sober because they want to stop drinking. They get sober because their life isn't working — and somewhere along the way, someone handed them a set of instructions that actually helped. Matt and Steve call it the recipe. Not a rulebook, not a religious text, not a list of suggestions. A recipe. Follow the steps enough times and something unexpected happens — it stops being something you do and starts being how you live. In this episode they dig into what sobriety actually opened up. Not the big obvious wins. The quieter ones. The mental chess game that used to run constantly in the background — calculating how much is there, how much have I had, how do I get more without anyone noticing — just gone. The emotional bandwidth that comes back when you're not spending all of it protecting your access to alcohol. The way treating people better stops being a program principle and starts being muscle memory. This one is for anyone who is still in the hard part and can't yet see what's on the other side. The recipe works. You just have to make it enough times before you stop needing to think about it. Find Sober Friends: Website: https://www.soberfriendspod.com Email: matt@soberfriendspod.com Support the show 📫 Get more honest conversations about sobriety delivered to your inbox! Subscribe to The Sober Friends Dispatch, our weekly newsletter where we go beyond the podcast to share real strategies for alcohol-free living. Join our community by clicking here.

    32 min

  4. MAR 24

    E268: Dr. Adi Jaffe: Getting Better Is the Goal

    Send us Fan Mail What does recovery actually mean? If you've ever measured your sobriety by days and wondered if there was more to it than that, this episode is for you. Matt sits down with Dr. Adi Jaffe — psychologist, neuroscientist, UCLA researcher, and author of The Abstinence Myth and Unhooked — for one of the most honest and wide-ranging conversations Sober Friends has ever had. Dr. Jaffe went from meth-addicted drug dealer with nine felonies to earning his PhD and building one of the most forward-thinking recovery programs available today. He knows what it feels like to be on both sides of this. This episode challenges some assumptions — including a few of Matt's own. They dig into why black-and-white thinking keeps people stuck, why shame is more dangerous than the substance itself, why the label "alcoholic" helps some people and hurts others, and why stopping drinking is not the same thing as getting better. They also find more common ground between Dr. Jaffe's approach and AA than you might expect. Whether you're in AA, tried AA and it didn't stick, or are just trying to figure out what recovery looks like for you — this one is worth your time. Find Dr. Adi Jaffe: Website: https://www.adijaffe.com The Abstinence Myth: http://www.theabstinencemyth.com Unhooked: https://www.readunhooked.com IGNTD Recovery Program: https://www.igntd.com Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/dradijaffe Facebook: https://www.facebook.com/dradijaffe LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/dradijaffe Find Sober Friends: Website: https://www.soberfriendspod.com Email: matt@soberfriendspod.com Support the show 📫 Get more honest conversations about sobriety delivered to your inbox! Subscribe to The Sober Friends Dispatch, our weekly newsletter where we go beyond the podcast to share real strategies for alcohol-free living. Join our community by clicking here.

    49 min

  5. MAR 17

    E267: It Fixed What Was Wrong With Me

    Send us Fan Mail That's the part nobody wants to say out loud. Alcohol wasn't just a bad habit — for a lot of us, it was a solution. It fixed the social anxiety. It fixed the noise. It fixed the feeling of not fitting in. The problem wasn't that it didn't work. The problem was everything it cost. Matt shares a moment from a recent trip to Boston — walking past the warm lights of a hotel bar, depleted and exhausted, and feeling the whisper. He wasn't in danger. But he heard it. And that's exactly what this episode is about. He and Steve dig into the lies alcohol tells — not the obvious ones, but the sophisticated ones. The lies that knew exactly where you were weak and aimed right at it. The promise of ease, belonging, confidence, and feeling like an adult in the room. And why those lies were so hard to walk away from when, for a while at least, they actually seemed to work. Honest, personal, and a little uncomfortable. Just two sober friends telling the truth. Support the show 📫 Get more honest conversations about sobriety delivered to your inbox! Subscribe to The Sober Friends Dispatch, our weekly newsletter where we go beyond the podcast to share real strategies for alcohol-free living. Join our community by clicking here.

    34 min

  6. MAR 3

    E266: Doorway or Loophole?

    Send us Fan Mail You've heard it a thousand times in the rooms — take what you like and leave the rest. But what does that actually mean? Matt and Steve dig into one of recovery's most repeated phrases and ask the question nobody wants to answer: are you using it as a doorway into the program, or a loophole out of it? From the opinions of the old-timer who never shuts up to skipping Step 4 because it makes you uncomfortable — there's a real difference between leaving what doesn't belong to the program and leaving what just challenges your ego. The guys also get into why sitting with discomfort is where the real work lives, and why being average might be exactly enough. Honest, a little uncomfortable, and not preachy. Just two sober friends talking about the stuff that actually matters. Support the show 📫 Get more honest conversations about sobriety delivered to your inbox! Subscribe to The Sober Friends Dispatch, our weekly newsletter where we go beyond the podcast to share real strategies for alcohol-free living. Join our community by clicking here.

    33 min

  7. FEB 17

    E265: Carrying the Message (Without Being Preachy)

    Send us Fan Mail "Carrying the message" doesn't mean becoming Mr. AA or giving speeches at speaker meetings. It's not about recruiting, arguing on Facebook, or diagnosing strangers. In this episode, Matt and Steve talk honestly about what carrying the message actually looks like — and why it has nothing to do with preaching. Steve shares the story of his first AA meeting: lost, confused, and terrified. Then someone reached out with a simple handshake and said, "Hey, I'm Mike. How you doing tonight?" That moment changed everything. Not because Mike gave him a Big Book speech, but because he showed up and made him feel human. Matt breaks down his approach: "The number one thing I can do to share the message is to live a good sober life and not be a prick." He talks about being the kind of person who makes others curious about recovery — not through preaching, but through the quality of his life. We discuss: Why "attraction not promotion" actually works in practiceWhat it means to be "the only Big Book someone might read"Steve's realization: "I don't want to be the guy people think would be better off drinking"How carrying the message looks different at 3 months vs. 15 years soberThe story of the 11-month chip and the 38-year chip at the same meetingWhy newcomers carry the message too (even when they're struggling)Matt's exhaustion from travel and why taking care of yourself IS carrying the messageThe real reason Steve keeps his Monday night meeting goingThe conversation gets real about Steve's neighbor asking him to walk the dogs, his grandson's birthday party, and why being wanted at family events is the whole point of doing this work. Bottom line: You don't have to be perfect to carry the message. You just have to live well enough that when people hear you're in recovery, they're curious instead of skeptical. If you've ever felt uncomfortable about "carrying the message" or thought it wasn't your place because you're too new, too flawed, or too tired — this episode is for you. Support the show 📫 Get more honest conversations about sobriety delivered to your inbox! Subscribe to The Sober Friends Dispatch, our weekly newsletter where we go beyond the podcast to share real strategies for alcohol-free living. Join our community by clicking here.

    32 min

  8. FEB 10

    E264: It's Not Your Fault (But It Is Your Responsibility)

    Send us Fan Mail Matt and Steve dive deep into Dr. Silkworth's groundbreaking work on alcoholism and why understanding the medical nature of addiction changes everything. They explore a fascinating discovery: Silkworth published his "allergy theory" in a 1937 medical journal—two years before the Big Book—challenging the common AA legend about why he initially hesitated to put his name in print. The hosts discuss why the Doctor's Opinion matters less for its 1939 medical accuracy and more for what it tells newly sober people: you have a condition, not a character flaw. Matt and Steve get real about the difference between the physical reality of addiction (not your fault) and the actions taken while drinking (your responsibility to address). Steve shares his own parallel journey with weight management and GLP-1 drugs, drawing powerful connections between different types of medical conditions that were once viewed as moral failings. The conversation unpacks why self-knowledge alone isn't enough to stay sober, the role of dopamine in addiction, and why removing shame is the first barrier that needs to fall. Whether you're brand new to sobriety or years into recovery, this episode offers a compassionate, science-informed perspective on what's really happening in your brain and body—and why that understanding is the foundation for everything that follows. Links to the two articles Silkworth wrote in 1937: Alcoholism as a Manifestation of Allergy Reclamation of the Alcoholic Support the show 📫 Get more honest conversations about sobriety delivered to your inbox! Subscribe to The Sober Friends Dispatch, our weekly newsletter where we go beyond the podcast to share real strategies for alcohol-free living. Join our community by clicking here.

    32 min
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The Sober Friends Podcast: Two Guys Talking Recovery Matt and Steve have been sober for over a decade each. They still don't have it all figured out. This is a podcast about recovery - AA recovery specifically - but it's not your sponsor's recovery podcast. It's two friends talking through the stuff that actually matters: What do you DO when you're not drinking? How do you handle control issues 15 years in? Why does calling someone in recovery feel so goddamn hard? What happens when you remove alcohol but don't replace it with anything? And seriously, do you miss drinking or do you just miss the relief? Every week Matt and Steve work through these questions together - sometimes they have answers, sometimes they're figuring it out in real time, and sometimes they just need to talk it out like you do with a friend who gets it. If you're in recovery, thinking about recovery, or just trying to figure out how to live without alcohol as your coping mechanism - welcome. Grab some coffee. Let's talk. Topics: Alcoholics Anonymous, 12-step recovery, sobriety, addiction, relapse, service work, early recovery, staying sober, and everything in between. Matt and Steve work AA programs but speak only for themselves. This show isn't affiliated with Alcoholics Anonymous. New episodes weekly at soberfriendspod.com

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  • Creator
    Matt J
  • Years Active
    2019 - 2026
  • Episodes
    458
  • Rating
    Explicit
  • Copyright
    © 2026 Sober Friends
  • Show Website
    Sober Friends

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