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The GOTO podcast seeks out the brightest and boldest ideas from language creators and the world's leading experts in software development in the form of interviews and conference talks. Tune in to get the inspiration you need to bring in new technologies or gain extra evidence to support your software development plan.

  1. The End of Engineering's Blank Check: Accountability in Software Leadership • Laura Tacho & Charles Humble

    HACE 30 MIN

    The End of Engineering's Blank Check: Accountability in Software Leadership • Laura Tacho & Charles Humble

    This interview was recorded for GOTO Unscripted. https://gotopia.tech Laura Tacho - CTO at DX & Executive Coach at Laura Tacho Consulting Charles Humble - Freelance Techie, Podcaster, Editor, Author & Consultant RESOURCES Laura https://x.com/rhein_wein https://bsky.app/profile/lauratacho.com https://www.linkedin.com/in/lauratacho https://lauratacho.com Charles https://bsky.app/profile/charleshumble.bsky.social https://linkedin.com/in/charleshumble https://mastodon.social/@charleshumble https://conissaunce.com Links https://getdx.com/research/measuring-ai-code-assistants-and-agents https://www.conissaunce.com/professional-skills-shortcut.html https://getdx.com/research/measuring-developer-productivity-with-the-dx-core-4 https://dora.dev https://getdx.com/blog/understanding-dora-metrics https://queue.acm.org/detail.cfm?id=3454124 https://getdx.com/blog/space-metrics https://getdx.com/research/devex-what-actually-drives-productivity https://getdx.com/news/introducing-genai-impact-report DESCRIPTION Laura Tacho, CTO at DX and executive coach, shares her take on the challenging transition from technical contributor to business leader. She discusses the most common leadership skill gaps she sees in CTOs, particularly around setting clear expectations without falling into the "micromanagement spiral of doom". Laura explains the development of the DX Core 4 framework for measuring developer productivity through four balanced dimensions: • Speed • Effectiveness • Quality • Impact She emphasizes the critical importance of connecting technical work to business outcomes, arguing that the era of engineering having a "blank check" is over and that today's leaders must think like business leaders who speak in terms of ROI and impact. The conversation with Charles Humble also covers emerging trends in AI-assisted development and unconventional approaches to performance management. RECOMMENDED BOOKS Will Larson • An Elegant Puzzle • https://amzn.to/4gb9VyC Will Larson • The Engineering Executive's Primer • https://amzn.to/3UURQuT Meri Williams • The Principles of Project Management • https://amzn.to/4lj5B1G Daniel H. Pink • Drive: The Surprising Truth About What Motivates Us • https://amzn.to/3UHx535 Kathy Sierra • Badass • https://amzn.to/4b9fb2V James Stanier • Become an Effective Software Engineering Manager • https://amzn.to/3vHrx1E Bluesky Twitter Instagram LinkedIn Facebook CHANNEL MEMBERSHIP BONUS Join this channel to get early access to videos & other perks: https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCs_tLP3AiwYKwdUHpltJPuA/join Looking for a unique learning experience? Attend the next GOTO conference near you! Get your ticket: gotopia.tech SUBSCRIBE TO OUR YOUTUBE CHANNEL - new videos posted daily!

    49 min

  2. HACE 3 DÍAS

    Reliability Engineering Mindset • Alex Ewerlöf & Charity Majors

    This interview was recorded for the GOTO Book Club. http://gotopia.tech/bookclub Alex Ewerlöf - Senior Staff Engineer at Volvo Cars & Author of "Reliability Engineering Mindset" Charity Majors - Co-Founder & CTO of honeycomb.io & Co-Author of "Observability Engineering" RESOURCES Alex https://bsky.app/profile/alexewerlof.com https://www.linkedin.com/in/alexewerlof https://www.alexewerlof.com Charity https://twitter.com/mipsytipsy https://linkedin.com/in/charity-majors https://charity.wtf https://www.honeycomb.io/blog/slos-are-the-api-for-your-engineering-team DESCRIPTION Alex Ewerlöf shares his journey from product engineering to reliability engineering and discusses the practical challenges of implementing Google's SRE practices in real-world companies. He emphasizes the significant gap between Google's idealized SRE approach — which he links to "a fantastic chef's recipe for Michelin-starred restaurants" — and the reality most companies face with limited resources and infrastructure. The discussion covers key topics including the evolution from traditional operations to where engineers own their code in production, the critical importance of choosing SLIs that align with business impact, and how SLOs help set expectations and help the service consumers prepare non-functional requirements. Alex coined the law of 10x per 9 highlighting that reliability isn't free and requires careful cost-benefit analysis. RECOMMENDED BOOKS Alex Ewerlöf • Reliability Engineering Mindset • https://blog.alexewerlof.com/p/rem C. Majors, L. Fong-Jones & G. Miranda • Observability Eng. • https://amzn.to/38scbma C. Majors & L. Campbell • Database Reliability Eng. • https://amzn.to/3ujybdS Alex Hidalgo • Implementing Service Level Objectives • https://amzn.to/4pbWJxw Brian Klaas • Fluke • https://amzn.to/41V1Cko Simler & Hanson • The Elephant in the Brain • https://amzn.to/4fYCG1i Bluesky Twitter Instagram LinkedIn Facebook CHANNEL MEMBERSHIP BONUS Join this channel to get early access to videos & other perks: https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCs_tLP3AiwYKwdUHpltJPuA/join Looking for a unique learning experience? Attend the next GOTO conference near you! Get your ticket: gotopia.tech SUBSCRIBE TO OUR YOUTUBE CHANNEL - new videos posted daily!

    26 min
  3. How to Discover the Binary System as a Child • Simon Peyton Jones & Chelsea Troy

    28 NOV

    How to Discover the Binary System as a Child • Simon Peyton Jones & Chelsea Troy

    This interview was recorded for GOTO Unscripted. https://gotopia.tech Simon Peyton Jones - Key Contributor of Haskell & Engineering Fellow at Epic Games Chelsea Troy - MLOps Tech Lead at Mozilla & Lecturer at University of Chicago RESOURCES Simon https://simon.peytonjones.org https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Simon_Peyton_Jones https://www.linkedin.com/in/simonpj Chelsea https://chelseatroy.com https://social.clawhammer.net/@HeyChelseaTroy https://www.linkedin.com/in/chelseatroy Links https://www.barefootcomputing.org https://www.computingatschool.org.uk/resources/2015/january https://www.computingatschool.org.uk/forum-news-blogs/2023/november https://chelseatroy.com/2025/05/14 https://computingeducation.org.uk https://www.raspberrypi.org/blog DESCRIPTION Simon discusses how a simple math problem led him to discover the binary system 55 years ago. He explores how to maintain the essence of computational thinking in an era where AI can instantly solve coding problems, emphasizing concrete, motivated contexts over abstract algorithms. The discussion spans from elementary programming to his unique role as a computing fellow at Epic Games, where he works with CEO Tim Sweeney to design the Verse programming language, proving that even big companies can prioritize denotational semantics over quarterly profits. RECOMMENDED BOOKS Simon Peyton Jones • The Implementation of Functional Programming Languages • https://amzn.to/3HQE0Xn Chelsea Troy • Remote Work Sucks • https://heychelseatroy.gumroad.com/l/remoteworksucks Bluesky Twitter Instagram LinkedIn Facebook CHANNEL MEMBERSHIP BONUS Join this channel to get early access to videos & other perks: https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCs_tLP3AiwYKwdUHpltJPuA/join Looking for a unique learning experience? Attend the next GOTO conference near you! Get your ticket: gotopia.tech SUBSCRIBE TO OUR YOUTUBE CHANNEL - new videos posted daily!

    26 min

  4. 25 NOV

    Breaking the Architecture Bottleneck • Andrew Harmel-Law & Marit van Dijk

    This interview was recorded for GOTO Unscripted. https://gotopia.tech Andrew Harmel-Law - Technical Principal at Thoughtworks & Author of "Facilitating Software Architecture" Marit van Dijk - Developer Advocate at JetBrains, Java Champion & Open Source Contributor RESOURCES Andrew https://bsky.app/profile/andrewhl.bsky.social https://www.linkedin.com/in/andrewharmellaw https://andrewharmellaw.github.io Marit https://bsky.app/profile/maritvandijk.bsky.social https://linkedin.com/in/maritvandijk https://medium.com/@mlvandijk https://maritvandijk.com Links https://facilitatingsoftwarearchitecture.com https://ruthmalan.com https://www.linkedin.com/pulse DESCRIPTION Andrew Harmel-Law discusses their book "Facilitating Software Architecture" and how traditional architecture approaches often become bottlenecks that slow down high-performing development teams. Rather than architects making top-down decisions in isolation, they advocate for a facilitation approach centered on the "advice process". This collaborative method shifts the architect's role from decision-maker to conversation facilitator. The approach has proven successful even in traditional corporate environments, ultimately creating more maintainable code bases where development teams actually enjoy working and can respond effectively to changing requirements. RECOMMENDED BOOK Andrew Harmel-Law • Facilitating Software Architecture • https://amzn.eu/d/5kZKVfU Bluesky Twitter Instagram LinkedIn Facebook CHANNEL MEMBERSHIP BONUS Join this channel to get early access to videos & other perks: https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCs_tLP3AiwYKwdUHpltJPuA/join Looking for a unique learning experience? Attend the next GOTO conference near you! Get your ticket: gotopia.tech SUBSCRIBE TO OUR YOUTUBE CHANNEL - new videos posted daily!

    40 min

  5. 21 NOV

    How to Get People Excited about Functional Programming • Russ Olsen & James Lewis

    This interview was recorded at GOTO Copenhagen 2024. https://gotocph.com Russ Olsen - Author of "Getting Clojure" & "Eloquent Ruby" James Lewis - Software Architect & Director at Thoughtworks RESOURCES Russ https://bsky.app/profile/russolsen.bsky.social https://hachyderm.io/@russolsen https://github.com/russolsen https://www.linkedin.com/in/russolsen http://russolsen.com James https://bsky.app/profile/boicy.bovon.org https://linkedin.com/in/james-lewis-microservices https://github.com/boicy https://www.bovon.org Read the full abstract here: https://gotocph.com/2024/sessions/3522 RECOMMENDED BOOKS Russ Olsen • Getting Clojure • https://amzn.to/3J8zI8s Russ Olsen • Eloquent Ruby • https://amzn.to/37gOhcG Russ Olsen • Design Patterns in Ruby • https://amzn.to/3r2uBjW Barry O'Reilly • Unlearn • https://amzn.to/3O3DQeI Jez Humble, Joanne Molesky & Barry O'Reilly • Lean Enterprise • https://amzn.to/3Cpt6ET Sarah Wells • Enabling Microservice Success • https://amzn.to/4aa8xrv Martin Fowler • Refactoring • https://amzn.to/3EVcHXQ Matthew Skelton & Manuel Pais • Team Topologies • http://amzn.to/3sVLyLQ Bluesky Twitter Instagram LinkedIn Facebook CHANNEL MEMBERSHIP BONUS Join this channel to get early access to videos & other perks: https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCs_tLP3AiwYKwdUHpltJPuA/join Looking for a unique learning experience? Attend the next GOTO conference near you! Get your ticket: gotopia.tech SUBSCRIBE TO OUR YOUTUBE CHANNEL - new videos posted daily!

    38 min

  6. 18 NOV

    Beyond the Hype: Real Talk on AI-Assisted Development • Jessica Kerr & Diana Montalion

    This interview was recorded for GOTO Unscripted. https://gotopia.tech Jessica Kerr - Engineering Manager of Developer Relation at Honeycomb.io & Symmathecist Diana Montalion - Systems Architect, Mentrix Founder & Author of "Learning Systems Thinking" RESOURCES Jessica https://bsky.app/profile/jessitron.bsky.social https://linkedin.com/in/jessicakerr https://www.twitch.tv/jessitronica https://jessitron.com Diana https://bsky.app/profile/dianamontalion.com https://www.linkedin.com/in/dianamontalion https://montalion.com https://learningsystemsthinking.com DESCRIPTION Systems architect Diana Montalion and engineering manager Jessica Kerr cut through the AI coding hype to explore what these tools actually do well - and where they have room for improvement. Moving beyond the "AI will replace developers" narrative, they reveal how AI assistants excel at the tedious work of typing, scaffolding, and error handling while remaining surprisingly bad at the nuanced thinking that experienced developers bring to complex systems. Their discussion illuminates a more mature relationship with AI tools: one where developers maintain agency over design decisions while leveraging AI's strengths in automation, synthesis, and rapid prototyping. The result is a pragmatic roadmap for using AI to amplify human expertise rather than replace it. RECOMMENDED BOOKS Diana Montalion • Learning Systems Thinking • https://amzn.to/3ZpycdJ Andrew Harmel-Law • Facilitating Software Architecture • https://amzn.eu/d/5kZKVfU Donella H. Meadows • Thinking in Systems • https://amzn.to/3XtqYCV Yu-kai Chou • Actionable Gamification • https://amzn.to/45D8bHA Bluesky Twitter Instagram LinkedIn Facebook CHANNEL MEMBERSHIP BONUS Join this channel to get early access to videos & other perks: https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCs_tLP3AiwYKwdUHpltJPuA/join Looking for a unique learning experience? Attend the next GOTO conference near you! Get your ticket: gotopia.tech SUBSCRIBE TO OUR YOUTUBE CHANNEL - new videos posted daily!

    37 min

  7. 14 NOV

    From Hardware Hacker to CTO: Building Teams That Scale • Meri Williams & Charles Humble

    This interview was recorded for GOTO Unscripted. https://gotopia.tech Read the full transcription of this interview here: https://gotopia.tech/articles/388 Meri Williams - CTO at Pleo & Advisor at Skiller Whale & Kindred Capital Charles Humble - Freelance Techie, Podcaster, Editor, Author & Consultant RESOURCES Meri https://x.com/Geek_Manager https://github.com/geekmanager http://blog.geekmanager.co.uk Charles https://bsky.app/profile/charleshumble.bsky.social https://mastodon.social/@charleshumble https://conissaunce.com Links https://blog.container-solutions.com/managing-remote-teams-in-scaling-organisations DESCRIPTION Join us in a conversation with Meri Williams, an experienced CTO who has led technology teams from 30 to 300 people across organizations. In this candid discussion, Meri shares their journey from reluctant manager to seasoned leader, revealing hard-won insights about scaling teams, avoiding the "Google trap" of copying big tech practices inappropriately, and why investing in onboarding can make or break your organization. With refreshing honesty about management mistakes and the ongoing importance of diversity in building products that serve everyone, this conversation offers practical wisdom for anyone navigating the world of tech leadership. RECOMMENDED BOOKS Meri Williams • The Principles of Project Management • https://amzn.to/4lj5B1G Tom DeMarco & Tim Lister • Peopleware • https://amzn.to/3KJmFOq Marcus Buckingham & Gallup Organization • First, Break All the Rules • https://amzn.to/40xpppI Daniel H. Pink • Drive: The Surprising Truth About What Motivates Us • https://amzn.to/3UHx535 Kathy Sierra • Badass • https://amzn.to/4b9fb2V James Stanier • Become an Effective Software Engineering Manager • https://amzn.to/3vHrx1E Bluesky Twitter Instagram LinkedIn Facebook CHANNEL MEMBERSHIP BONUS Join this channel to get early access to videos & other perks: https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCs_tLP3AiwYKwdUHpltJPuA/join Looking for a unique learning experience? Attend the next GOTO conference near you! Get your ticket: gotopia.tech SUBSCRIBE TO OUR YOUTUBE CHANNEL - new videos posted daily!

    56 min
  8. Real-World Java • Victor Grazi, Jeanne Boyarsky & Barry Burd

    11 NOV

    Real-World Java • Victor Grazi, Jeanne Boyarsky & Barry Burd

    This interview was recorded for the GOTO Book Club. http://gotopia.tech/bookclub Read the full transcription of the interview here: https://gotopia.tech/episodes/393 Victor Grazi - Oracle Java Champion & Co-Author of "Real-World Java" Jeanne Boyarsky - Oracle Java Champion, Co-Author of "Real-World Java" & "OCP 21 Java Cert Book" Barry Burd - Professor at Drew University, Owner at Burd Brain Consulting & Author of "Java for Dummies" RESOURCES Victor https://x.com/vgrazi https://www.linkedin.com/in/victorgrazi Jeanne https://bsky.app/profile/jeanneboyarsky.bsky.social https://www.linkedin.com/in/jeanne-boyarsky Barry https://x.com/allmycode https://www.linkedin.com/in/barry-burd Links https://projectlombok.org https://www.selikoff.net/2014/12/07/why-i-like-regular-expressions-who-says-they-arent-readable DESCRIPTION Barry interviews Victor and Jeanne  about their book "Real-World Java: Helping You Navigate the Java Ecosystem". Victor emphasizes that knowing how to use your development tools, particularly IDE refactoring features, is a better indicator of developer experience than algorithm tests. Rather than just teaching "hello world" examples, the authors focus on the essential ecosystem components needed to succeed in enterprise Java environments, making it accessible for anyone who knows the Java language but needs to understand the broader technological landscape they'll encounter in professional development roles. RECOMMENDED BOOKS Victor Grazi & Jeanne Boyarsky • Real-World Java • https://amzn.to/4oCEeBR Jeanne Boyarsky & Scott Selikoff • OCP 21 Java Cert Book • https://amzn.to/4lF8OIC Barry Burd • Java For Dummies • https://amzn.to/4mrXC3e Barry Burd • Quantum Computing Algorithms • https://amzn.to/3Josymi Bluesky Twitter Instagram LinkedIn Facebook CHANNEL MEMBERSHIP BONUS Join this channel to get early access to videos & other perks: https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCs_tLP3AiwYKwdUHpltJPuA/join Looking for a unique learning experience? Attend the next GOTO conference near you! Get your ticket: gotopia.tech SUBSCRIBE TO OUR YOUTUBE CHANNEL - new videos posted daily!

    38 min
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