Gabe Pereyra is the co-founder and President of Harvey. Before Harvey, he was an AI researcher at Google Brain, DeepMind, and Meta, working on deep learning at both Brain and DeepMind in 2016 and 2017 as the field was taking off. Valued at $11B, Harvey has passed $300M ARR, 960 employees, 2,000 customers, and roughly 13 trillion tokens processed this month. Harvey has raised over $1.2B to date from Sequoia, Kleiner Perkins, GV, Coatue, Elad Gil, the OpenAI Startup Fund, and GIC, with Sequoia and GIC co-leading the most recent $200M round at $11B. Niko Grupen is Harvey's Head of Applied Research. Both he and Gabe led the open-sourcing of LAB, the Legal Agent Benchmark, the first open-source benchmark for measuring AI agent performance on real-world legal tasks. LAB covers 1,200+ tasks across 24 practice areas, built with agent-led data generation reviewed by Big Law attorneys. Initial frontier-model results from OpenAI, Anthropic, and DeepMind posted today, with Claude Opus 4.7 leading the leaderboard. In this episode, Gabe and Niko sit down with Molly in Harvey's San Francisco speakeasy to break down what LAB measures, why Harvey gave the rubric to its biggest competitors, and what the early results show about long-horizon legal agents. Gabe goes deep on the token economics now hitting application-layer AI: single queries that cost $20, contract reviews that cost $20,000, and why he says Harvey is the largest embeddings consumer for some of the labs. He also covers the multi-model strategy, why open-source matters for law firm conflict risk, & the architectural shift from chat-based products to cloud agents. Niko closes with the methodology behind LAB, how Harvey generates synthetic legal data with agent-led generation and lawyer review, and what's next for the open-source legal research community. This is the second episode in Sourcery's Harvey series, following the last conversation with co-founder and CEO Winston Weinberg. 𝐄𝐏𝐈𝐒𝐎𝐃𝐄 𝐋𝐈𝐍𝐊 YouTube: https://youtu.be/NpZbum0lmlI 𝐒𝐏𝐎𝐍𝐒𝐎𝐑𝐒 • Brex—The modern finance platform, combining the world’s smartest corporate card with integrated expense management, banking, bill pay, & travel. https://brex.com/sourcery • Turing—Turing delivers top-tier talent, data, and tools to help AI labs improve model performance—and enables enterprises to turn those models into powerful, production-ready systems. https://turing.com/sourcery • VCX—VCX is the public ticker for private tech, allowing investors of all sizes to invest in venture capital. View The Portfolio at http://GetVCX.com • Deel—Deel is the global people platform that helps startups hire, manage, pay, and equip anyone, anywhere. Trusted by more than 35,000 fast-growing companies, Deel is the people platform that just works, so teams can scale without the chaos. Visit: https://www.deel.com/sourcery • Public–Investing platform Public just launched Generated Assets, which lets you turn any idea into an investable index with AI. With Generated Assets, you can build, backtest, refine, and invest in any thesis with AI. Gone are the days of one-size-fits-all ETFs. https://public.com/sourcery • Merge—The leading provider of customer-facing integrations and agentic tools for frontier LLMs, Fortune 500 organizations, and B2B SaaS companies. Visit https://merge.dev Follow Sourcery for the latest updates! https://www.sourcery.vc Disclosure Paid Endorsement. Brokerage services by Open to the Public Investing Inc, member FINRA & SIPC. Advisory services by Public Advisors LLC, SEC-registered adviser. Crypto trading provided by Zero Hash LLC, licensed by the NYSDFS. Generated Assets is an interactive analysis tool by Public Advisors. Output is for informational purposes only and is not an investment recommendation or advice. See disclosures at public.com/disclosures/ga. Matched funds must remain in your account for at least 5 years. Match rate and other terms are subject to change at any time.
