Ep. 8 - In conversation with Tushar Pradhan - On Heartfulness Meditation Tushar Pradhan: [00:00:00] When we talk about heartfulness, we are talking about our ability toaccess the soul of the spirit, which is in some way, and it is described in many ways, that it the, that the heart is the seat of the soul. And when we try to do meditation on the heart chara, it's essentially the starting point of our journey. Rajeev: Hello, and welcome back to a brand new episode of Spinning Values. A podcast initiative by Beekaylon Synthetics. We all live busy lives filled with deadlines, milestones, and whatnot. Our productivity and careers all comes down to how we handle the pressures and stressors of life. Rajeev: In this episode, Kartik Chaudhry sits down with Tushar Pradhan, a practitioner of Heartfulness Meditation. Rajeev: Tushar shares his personal journey and explains the differences between [00:01:00] Heartfulness Meditation and Mindfulness. The conversation also explores the relevance of Heartfulness Meditation in the corporate setting and how it can help individuals achieve personal excellence and reduce stress. Kartik Chaudhry: Hi Tushar, welcome, Spinning Values. this is a podcast that Beekaylon started a couple of years back and we have received some great response. Initially, we had only focused on textile industry as a whole. But as we were into it, we realized that, we shouldn't limit ourselves and we need to also look into, the corporate structures, the business, the general, happiness of the employees, and you know how to keep the workplace happier Kartik Chaudhry: despite it being a textile thing, we don't wanna be, industry specific. We wanna sort of open it up, slightly more so in that kind of transition and in that, optimism, we welcome you. We've spoken [00:02:00] earlier and, I understand what you do a little bit, but for listeners, why don't you introduce yourselves and tell us what you do. Tushar Pradhan: Yeah, thanks. Thanks a lot, Kartik and wonderful to be here on this podcast. really nice to hear what you guys are doing. trying to spread values. without being industry specific, I think it all is a human element, I guess. So that's great. just a little bit about myself. I was, the chief investment officer at HSBC mutual fund for the last 14 years ending in April this year. Tushar Pradhan: and now I've begun, a little bit of an office of myselfuh, trying to get into the investment market, as an individual. But, prior to that, I've always been associated with the investing field, right from the time that I did my MBA in the US, and then joined a couple of,companies in the US, before coming back to India. And I joined HDFC, as soon as I came back in 95, way back. And, they had a investing advisory business, which was [00:03:00] not really like a formal thing, but, at that time, investing was not really, institutional investing was not that formal. In fact, there were no mutual funds at that time either. so they had an advisory to a foreign investor, which was incorporated under the Ministry of Finance rules. So it was a very, very early stage. public investing kind of role. And thankfully, I, kind of, parachuted into that role as soon as I came back. And, since then, I was with HDFC when they launched the mutual fund. Tushar Pradhan: I became a fund manager for them, then in between I joined a company called AIG, which also launched a mutual fund. So essentially to a very, large extent, I've been associated with the investment field, largely stock markets, bond markets, that kind of thing. And, the real part which I feel was important in my journey was that, I adopted a spiritual practice along the way and it coincided with actually my coming back to India. Tushar Pradhan: And I feel that, I owe that a lot to my ability to, stay steady [00:04:00] during this very mad field of investing throughout this year. So that's a little bit about myself and,really happy to share whatever I can. Tushar Pradhan: Okay, so as I. Correct me if I'm wrong. You are also, apart from being an asset manager, that has been your career and your full-time job, you have now become an expert in heartful meditation and mindfulness, if I can say so. So you touched upon this a little bit, that you came from there and you felt that there is a need of spiritual, element to the process. Kartik Chaudhry: So what inspired this change in your professional journey? Tushar Pradhan: No, thanks again for that question, but let me clarify, mindfulness is a very well known It's a very well known practice. method of, I won't say meditation, but contemplation, which has a lot of scientific data and published papers, et cetera, and it's accepted across the world, especially large corporates actually [00:05:00] use mindfulness, there are mindfulness apps, et cetera. Tushar Pradhan: What I'm talking about is, something called as heartfulness, which is a technique of meditation, which is different from mindfulness. And it was again, going back to where, this institution began, to 1944, where it was developed as a method of, meditating, in today's world. Because usually what happens is meditation, you associate with longer beards and Himalayas and some sort of very strict practices. Tushar Pradhan: Which initially,people are put off by because, we are leading normal lives and we don't seem to think that there is a link at all to say that why should we meditate, et cetera. So heartfulness is a method which teaches people to meditate as they are, wherever they are in whichever profession, whatever creed, caste, gender they are, absolutely regardless of any background or any training. And that is what heartfulness very briefly [00:06:00] is. And, to share with you what really inspired me to, meditate in the first place is, a little bit of a, I would say early success in life. So many times people either encounter a very dramatic, personal tragedy or a situation which, helps them to reflect and say that, look, is life all about this? Tushar Pradhan: because generally we are all in a materialistic world and typically a person who's educated tries to get better at wherever he is, gets a job or tries to make more money or whatever. I mean, success is always defined by, some ideal that such people take for themselves. For me, success was, as a very young boy, having been influenced by Hollywood, I had seen a movie called Wall Street and I was very impressed by, What was going on there? Tushar Pradhan: And I said, look, that's my goal. I want to be on Wall Street. I want to manage money. Though I was from a very middle class background and I had no way or hope to see that, how could I really be there? But as circumstances took me being [00:07:00] an average, person, etc. There was a way out. Tushar Pradhan: I did my GMAT and I got acceptances from some universities in the U. S. And surprise, surprise, my father,took a big loan to, help me get there and I began my MBA journey. I did my MBA in the US and it was a difficult time in the markets there. I graduated in 92, which was the start of the Iraq war and the recession of the US. Tushar Pradhan: So jobs were very scarce, but I managed. And in 1994, when I was about 25, 26 years old, I was on Wall Street. I had a card which said Tushar Pradhan blah, blah, blah, 95 Wall Street. And then I stopped in my tracks . I did not know what to do. because that was my aim, that was my goal, that was everything that I wanted to be. Tushar Pradhan: And here I was. And I then started to reflect that look, life cannot only be this. there has to be something more to this. And I don't mean this only like a profession, but I mean it as in a holistic way [00:08:00] of living. I said there is family, there is emotions, there is career, there is everything. But there is something else beyond all of this, which somehow, we may have missed out. Tushar Pradhan: And I started my search from there. Of course, my search led to some books. I started reading about spirituality, about, the essence that we carry, et cetera. But they were all very academic, very bookish. They did not give me much satisfaction. If at all, actually they whetted my appetite to see whether, there's anything more to this than just, other people's experiences and what about my experience. Tushar Pradhan: So. When I came back to India for some other reason, as in family circumstances, et cetera, brought me back here. I said, well, this is the mother of, meditation, right? This is the country where it all began. So maybe I might find some experience here. So I, I started searching. Things were again, not to my liking because again, for the same reasons I explained to you earlier, most of these methods are very archaic or they are very arcane or they are [00:09:00] very, religious or they are. Tushar Pradhan: something very, foreboding, for somebody who's like a modern person to say, okay, let me start meditating. These things are not easy. And then I stumbled upon this, method, I really stumbled upon it. And I found it extremely useful,very, very, very practical , but at the same time, very spiritual. Tushar Pradhan: So, so just a very simple example of what spiritualism or religion is. Now, spirit, as we call it, it's something which drives the machine, right? So we call it the ghost in the machine or whatever it is. So if I were to say that as a human being and like me alive, and then there is a dead body next to me. Tushar Pradhan: And if I were to ask you, what is the difference between the two of us? There is hardly any difference because that dead body will have all the organs that I have. It will have eyes. It will have a brain. It will have everything. There is something missing in that dead body, and that's why we don't even refer to that person as a person, it's a dead body. So what is that? That is something what we call as the spirit, which enters the human [00:10:00] body as soon as the birth of a