Stacking Growth | The B2B Marketing Podcast

Refine Labs

Hosted by Refine Labs, this podcasts is for marketers, by marketers. Whether you're new or seasoned , we want to help you refine your strategies, find meaningful takeaways, and hear real, honest stories of marketers who've been able to make waves for the industry. Combining purposeful tactics and strategies across multiple areas is what it means to Stack Growth - let's help build each other up.

  1. What High-Performing GTM Teams Do Right

    APR 14

    What High-Performing GTM Teams Do Right

    Matthew Sciannella breaks down what separates high-performing B2B go-to-market teams from the rest — using Ramp and Clay as real-world case studies. From Ramp's Super Bowl surround-sound strategy to Clay's disciplined mid-market segmentation bet, this episode pulls back the curtain on the GTM principles any B2B SaaS team can steal.🔑 Key Takeaways:Why Ramp balances brand + demand in equal measureHow Clay segmented down despite massive funding — and why it workedThe "product is so good, everyone needs to know" first principleWhy creativity wins in "boring" B2B verticalsHow to focus finite ad dollars on a segment before expanding TAM❓ Frequently Asked QuestionsWhat makes a high-performing B2B go-to-market team?High-performing GTM teams start with a great product and low adoption friction, then execute brand and demand in equal measure — using creativity, segmentation, and a strong outbound motion to drive growth.How did Ramp build such strong brand awareness?Ramp used a surround-sound GTM strategy — combining Super Bowl ads, guerrilla video marketing, podcast sponsorships, and direct response ads featuring brand spokespeople like Brian Baumgartner from The Office.How did Clay grow without spending across their entire TAM?Clay bet on mid-market RevOps and marketing personas first, empowered agencies to share results, and built a content flywheel through user-generated content — segmenting with discipline before expanding.What B2B GTM lessons can SaaS companies learn from Ramp and Clay?Even well-funded companies make segmentation trade-offs. Focus ad dollars on your best-fit ICP, align sales and marketing on target accounts, and measure with incrementality — not just first or last touch attribution.Can smaller B2B SaaS companies replicate Ramp's or Clay's strategy?Yes. The fundamentals — strong product, low friction, segmented targeting, and creative storytelling — are accessible at any budget. Scale the creativity, not just the spend.#B2BMarketing #GoToMarket #DemandGeneration #SaaSMarketing #B2BSaaS #RevenueMarketing #PaidMedia #GTMStrategy #B2BGrowth #MarketingStrategy #RefineLabs #ContentMarketing #B2BDemandGen #LinkedInMarketing #RevenueOperations

    9 min
  2. Stop Ignoring Demand Inputs

    APR 1

    Stop Ignoring Demand Inputs

    An Ipsos survey of 1,226 marketers across the US, Canada, and Australia asked 10 multiple choice questions on basic marketing fundamentals — and two thirds failed.We're not talking advanced strategy. Segmentation. Positioning. The four Ps. Above-the-line marketing. Omnichannel. Quantitative research. The bare minimum from a year and a half of formal marketing training.This is the state of B2B marketing in 2026.If you're focused on AI efficiency gains, growth hacking, and the next few percentage points of performance — but you can't pass this test — you're optimizing a broken foundation.Matthew Sciannella breaks down what the data actually means for marketers who only do promotion (ads, email, events, SEO) and why that's exactly why so many can't survive past 18 months in a role.Q: What did the Ipsos marketing fundamentals survey find?The Ipsos survey tested 1,226 marketers in the US, Canada, and Australia on 10 multiple choice questions covering segmentation, positioning, the four Ps, above-the-line marketing, omnichannel, and quantitative research. Two thirds failed — with an even split between B2C and B2B marketers.Q: Why do so many B2B marketers only last 18 months in their roles?Marketers who focus exclusively on promotion — running ads, sending emails, attending events, or managing SEO — never develop a durable, full-funnel marketing strategy. Without understanding customers, sales channels, and market positioning, they can't survive a funding round or leadership change.Q: Is AI a substitute for marketing fundamentals?No. AI and growth hacking tactics can improve efficiency at the margins, but they don't replace the strategic foundation of real marketing: understanding your market, your buyer, and how they make decisions. Scraping signals from the internet isn't the same as doing the work.Q: What is the difference between promotion and marketing?Promotion is one of the four Ps of marketing — it includes advertising, email, events, and SEO. Marketing as a discipline covers the full picture: segmentation, targeting, positioning, pricing, product, and channel strategy. Most B2B marketers today only practice promotion.#B2BMarketing #MarketingFundamentals #MarketingStrategy #B2BSaaS #SaaSMarketing #GrowthMarketing #CMO #MarketingLeadership #DigitalMarketing #DemandGeneration #MarketingROI #GTMStrategy #ContentMarketing #MarketResearch #B2BDemandGen #MarketingTips #Ipsos #FourPs #Omnichannel #Refinelabs

    11 min
  3. MAR 25

    Stop Wasting Budget on BOTS

    Are your B2B ads actually reaching humans? Dr. Augustine Fou (founder of Fou Analytics) joins Matt to expose exactly how ad fraud infiltrates Google, LinkedIn, Meta, Reddit, CTV, and programmatic — and the free, simple controls you can put in place today to stop burning budget on bots.Chapters:00:00 – Intro & Dr. Fou's Background05:37 – Google Search & Partner Network Fraud09:31 – Cookie Matching & Bot Impersonation13:58 – How to Control Google Ad Fraud17:27 – PMax & Inclusion Lists19:26 – Reddit Ad Fraud Explained22:17 – LinkedIn Audience Network: Turn It Off24:55 – CTV Fraud: What You're Really Buying34:21 – Why Programmatic Started the Problem37:50 – Inclusion Lists vs. Exclusion Lists41:05 – CPM is a Price, Not a Cost47:31 – Visual Tells: Pixel Stuffing, Non-Rendered Ads52:23 – Frequency Capping Failures#AdFraud #B2BMarketing #ProgrammaticAdvertising #LinkedInAds #GoogleAds #CTVAdvertising #BotTraffic #DigitalMarketing #B2BAdvertising #MarketingROI #FouAnalytics #mediabuying #AdTechWhat is ad fraud in B2B advertising?Ad fraud occurs when bots — not humans — are served your ads, clicking and loading them to generate fraudulent revenue for bad actors. It affects every major platform including Google, LinkedIn, Meta, Reddit, and CTV.How do I stop ad fraud on LinkedIn?Simply uncheck the LinkedIn Audience Network checkbox in your campaign settings. According to Dr. Augustine Fou, this one free action eliminates roughly 90% of the most obvious fraud on the platform.What is the difference between CPM as a price vs. a cost?CPM is a price per thousand impressions — not your total cost. A $3 CPM isn't cheaper than a $30 CPM if you're forced to buy 10x the impressions to hit your goals, most of which may be fraudulent.Is CTV advertising safe from ad fraud?No. Bad actors can fabricate CTV bid requests without owning any TV or streaming device, declaring fake inventory as premium placements. Independent third-party pixels are the only reliable way to verify where your CTV ads actually ran.What is an inclusion list in programmatic advertising?An inclusion list is a curated set of approved sites and apps where your ads are allowed to run. Since there are infinite fraudulent sites but a finite number of legitimate ones humans actually visit, starting with an inclusion list is far more effective than trying to block bad actors one by one.

    58 min
  4. JAN 27

    How B2B Influencer Marketing Actually Works in 2026

    Topics Covered Influencer marketing as a modern demand lever in a “feeds are flooded” environment (credibility + distribution vs polish) Building an influencer program as a repeatable system (not one-off posts) Aligning influencer strategy to GTM motion: PLG + sales-led dual motion, fast sales cycle, and audience behavior on LinkedIn Talent sourcing: internal creators, power users, frontline thought leaders, executive narrative voices, and “entertainer/evangelism” creators Using influencer content as paid social creative (thought leadership ads) and deciding what to amplify Program mechanics: 3-month trials, post cadence, onboarding, briefs, review cycles, and relationship management Incentives tied to outcomes (PLG signup bonus, ARR percentage via UTM) Measurement options: cost per signup, CPM/efficient reach, ABM-style reach goals, qualitative signals, and attribution constraints Quality control: “smell test” for AI slop, engagement pods, and meaningful comment engagement Activation workflow: first-hour engagement, “let it cook” windows, reporting, UTM updates for paid vs organic, and distribution trade-offs Questions This Video Helps Answer How do you structure B2B influencer marketing so it drives demand (not just awareness) without becoming random acts of promotion? How should a B2B team align influencer strategy to GTM motion (PLG vs sales-led) and measurement constraints? What’s the best place to start: internal creators, power users, or external influencers? How do you choose influencer “types” (executive narrative, frontline education, entertainment/evangelism) based on goals? What contract length and cadence reduces the risk of declaring influencer “doesn’t work” too early? How do you turn influencer posts into paid social assets using thought leadership ads? What’s a practical incentive structure for creators tied to signups and revenue (UTM-based)? How do you spot inflated performance from AI-generated engagement or engagement pods? When should you promote a post, and when should you leave it organic? How can you evaluate influencer impact using CPM, reach, signups, and qualitative sales signals? Key Takeaways If you want results, avoid one-off influencer posts; start with at least a 3-month trial so performance can compound and audience association can form. In crowded feeds, influencer works because it combines trust with distribution; paid amplification (thought leadership ads) can make “small” creators valuable when the story is strong. Start sourcing from internal creators and product power users first; they’re cheaper, more credible on use cases, and their content can be promoted to the right audience. Make onboarding and relationships non-negotiable: demo the product, ideate together, and set a clear review cycle so feedback doesn’t show up only as late-stage Google Doc edits. Tie incentives to business outcomes and effort: bonus for PLG signups over the contract window, percentage of ARR from UTM-driven revenue, and paid boosts for high-performing posts (which also benefits the creator’s audience growth). Don’t boost everything: let posts run organically first, then selectively promote what’s likely to work in paid (not every organic winner is a paid winner). Quality control requires human judgment: scan comments and engagement patterns for meaningful conversation vs AI slop, pods, or gamed metrics.

    59 min
  5. Embracing AI As A Designer

    12/23/2025

    Embracing AI As A Designer

    SummaryChris Ford, Lead Designer at Refine Labs, shares how creative professionals can harness AI without compromising artistic integrity. Speaking to an audience navigating the rapid shift toward automation in design and marketing, Ford clarifies that tools like Midjourney and Runway are accelerators—not replacements—for real strategic thinking. His journey from teen coder to strategic designer reveals the mindset shift creatives must adopt to thrive in a performance-driven, AI-infused landscape. This episode demystifies AI's impact on modern B2B marketing workflows while reinforcing the value of human empathy, nuance, and storytelling. Topics Covered AI as a creative partner in modern B2B marketing Creative strategy in a performance-first demand gen environment How Refine Labs designers adapt AI for speed, not shortcuts Brand storytelling vs. AI output Creative autonomy and process efficiency Free and paid AI tools for image and motion design Navigating the psychological shift toward automation The future of human creativity in AI-saturated workflows Strategic experimentation and creative boundaries Questions This Video Helps Answer How are B2B creatives using AI tools like Midjourney and Runway today? What’s the right mindset for using AI in design without losing creative control? Where should human creativity draw the line with AI-generated content? What tools help accelerate creative workflows without sacrificing originality? How should creatives adapt to AI without fearing job replacement? What is the future of creative work in AI-augmented environments? Jobs, Roles, and Responsibilities Mentioned Graphic Designer Creative Strategist Performance Marketer Content Creator Visual Designer Copywriter Marketing Technologist Brand Strategist AI Prompt Engineer (implied role) Key Takeaways AI accelerates design iteration but doesn’t replace creative judgment or empathy. Tools like Midjourney, Runway, and ChatGPT help visualize concepts quickly and reduce time spent on repetitive tasks. Refine Labs designers use AI to test ideas faster, not to generate final creative without human input. The "line" of AI involvement depends on complexity, originality, and personal creative ethics. Being strategic with experimentation ensures AI enhances—rather than dilutes—brand quality. The coming shift isn’t AI vs. humans, but AI with humans who adapt and lead. FAQWhat AI tools does Chris Ford use most in his creative workflow?Midjourney for image generation, Runway for animation, and ChatGPT for ideation and refining language. Is AI replacing creative jobs in B2B marketing?Not directly. Ford explains that AI requires human oversight and strategy, making creatives who adapt more valuable—not obsolete. How does Refine Labs integrate AI in its design process?By using AI to accelerate idea generation and reduce manual work, while keeping creative direction and brand storytelling in human hands. Are there free AI tools creatives can explore?Yes. Midjourney offers a limited free trial, and tools like Google Gemini are free. Search “AI tools” with “free” in quotes to discover more. What’s the biggest creative challenge when using AI?Time lost on prompt engineering and editing outputs. Not all tools produce high-quality or precise results, so human refinement is still essential. Quoted Highlights“AI gives me the options, but my creativity gives me the direction.” – Chris Ford [00:09:11]“It’s not just pixels—it’s purpose.” – Chris Ford [00:22:30]“I never saw AI as a threat. I saw it as a collaborative tool.” – Chris Ford [00:05:12]“Strategic thinking without AI is still my foundation. These tools just optimize my workflow.” – Chris Ford [00:24:10]“If you want AI-created results, you need to be okay with AI-level quality.” – Chris Ford [00:21:02]

    33 min
  6. 12/16/2025

    Integrating AI into your workflow - without the hype!!

    Topics Covered AI efficiency vs. AI opportunity in modern B2B orgs Use cases across Claude, Gemini, Copilot, and ChatGPT Claude for Excel outperforming native plugins AI-powered brand visibility audits (AIO, GEO) Building MVPs from product demos using Gemini Automating reporting and funnel analysis with ChatGPT & Gemini Custom GPTs for keyword analysis and lead quality reviewsAI system design in regulated or high-security environments Framework-based AI prompting for repeatable results Testing rigor and prompt engineering for trustable AI output Questions This Video Helps Answer How can B2B marketing teams use AI to save time and create net-new strategic opportunities? What LLM (Claude, ChatGPT, Gemini, Copilot) is best for specific tasks like Excel, brand analysis, or creative reviews? How do I know if AI-generated reporting is accurate enough to trust? What’s a good prompt structure to consistently get usable output from ChatGPT or Gemini? How can I explain AIO (AI Optimization) visibility and results to executives? Jobs, Roles, and Responsibilities Mentioned Marketing teams Sales teams Finance and accounting departments HR and admin functions Demand gen strategists Operations and supply chain leaders AI consultants and systems integrators Creative and copywriting leads IT and cybersecurity teams Executive and portfolio leadership Key Takeaways AI tools should be evaluated by outcome, not branding—Claude may outperform Copilot in Excel. Reframing workflows to be AI-native rather than AI-assisted unlocks transformational gains. Demand marketers can use LLMs to streamline reporting, extract funnel insights, and improve creative alignment. Framework-driven prompting (like SPEC) helps generate consistent, high-trust outputs. Custom AI workflows (e.g., for lead scoring, brand checks) can scale across clients and teams without deep coding. Generative AI is a tool for internal enablement, not just public content.

    1h 2m

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Hosted by Refine Labs, this podcasts is for marketers, by marketers. Whether you're new or seasoned , we want to help you refine your strategies, find meaningful takeaways, and hear real, honest stories of marketers who've been able to make waves for the industry. Combining purposeful tactics and strategies across multiple areas is what it means to Stack Growth - let's help build each other up.