Still Figuring It Out

Emily and Marc Pitman
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with Emily & Marc. After doing life, family, and business together for thirty years, we are still figuring it out. Both fiercely independent first borns, we are committed to continuing to grow and try new things in our entrepreneurial adventures.

  1. 4d ago

    SFIO 410 - When Transition Doesn't Have an End Yet

    📋 Episode Summary As the season on transitions continues, Emily and Marc reflect on graduations, hospice, politics, wars, uncertainty, and the possibility that transition may not always end neatly. Sometimes the work is not to find a period at the end of the sentence, but to stay flexible, creative, rooted, and open to being repotted into a larger space. In this episode, Emily and Marc celebrate a quiet milestone: Still Figuring It Out has passed 1,000 downloads. That number becomes a concrete reminder that even a messy, joy-filled project can create connection, community, and meaning beyond what the hosts can see. The word of the day is "convergence," and the conversation moves through definitions, podcasting, friendship, community, personal boards of directors, weather as ancient human small talk, college as a pressure cooker, and the ways relationships sometimes come together — or don't — at the depth Marc hopes for.   🔑 Key Takeaways • The podcast began as a place for joy, and reaching 1,000 downloads gives Emily and Marc a tangible reminder that people are listening. • "Convergence" can mean union, a meeting place, or the coordinated focusing of the eyes — two things coming together so something can be seen more clearly. • Different relationships have different levels of depth, and not every connection is meant to become a soul-nourishing convergence. • Small talk, like talking about the weather, may carry deep ancestral memory from when weather was a matter of survival. • Some seasons of transition may not close cleanly. They may overlap with graduations, grief, politics, family changes, and world events. • Naming transitions can help with balance, but it does not give us control over all the circumstances. • Still figuring it out means staying flexible, creative, and willing to keep growing.   🗣 Quote Highlights "I still feel like our primary goal is to have fun together." – Emily "It gives us joy." – Marc "Convergence can be a meeting place." – Emily "To me, it's the coming together of two things to see something clearly." – Emily "I think I expect everything to 'be' convergence instead of enjoying convergence." – Marc "We're holding a lot that we will go through whether we're ready or not." – Emily "We're getting repotted into more nourishing soil and a bigger space to grow." – Marc   🧰 Tools & Mentions • WordHippo https://wordhippo.com/  • Personal board of directors   👥 Who Should Listen • People who are building something slowly and wondering whether it matters • Listeners who are navigating overlapping family, work, grief, and life transitions • Couples reflecting on shared creative projects and what gives them joy • People who crave deep community but are learning to honor lighter forms of connection too • Anyone wondering whether transition ever really reaches a clean ending   🎺 That Music! Special thanks to Lexi Moreno, Caleb Pitman, and Zoe Czarnecki for the original music. Lexi Moreno – composing / mixing / mastering / guitar Caleb Pitman – composing / mixing / trumpet Zoe Czarnecki – bass

    28 min

  2. May 21

    SFIO 409 - The Sappy Dreamer's Guide to Hospitality with Matt Ray

    📋 Episode Summary In this episode, Emily and Marc talk with Matt Ray, a spirits educator, storyteller, Safe Bar Network trainer, and newly named World's Best American Whiskey Brand Ambassador. Matt brings stories from New Orleans, hospitality, teaching, bartending, alchemy, bourbon, mythology, and the occasional tiny bottle of Underberg. The conversation moves from Mardi Gras marching crews and surprise neighborhood parades to the deeper work of making bars safer, helping people know when it's time to leave a job, and using influence to strengthen community. Matt talks about the joy of work, the cost of staying where you no longer belong, and the responsibility of helping hospitality workers feel seen and supported. It's playful, thoughtful, and full of good lines — a conversation about learning, relearning, community, delight, and the lifelong mission of turning lead into gold.   🔑 Key Takeaways • Hospitality can hold both firmness and generosity. Safe spaces are not created by confrontation alone, but through de-escalation, clarity, and care. • Sometimes loving your work means knowing when it is no longer good for you — or for the people you serve. • A good leader can care deeply about keeping someone and still tell them the truth when it may be time to go. • Joy matters. Life is too short to stay indefinitely in work that drains your health, relationships, and sense of self. • Community-building can be part of professional excellence, not something separate from it. • Learning is never finished. Forgetting can even become an invitation to rediscover a good story again. • Turning "lead into gold" becomes a metaphor for becoming more fully ourselves.   🗣 Quote Highlights "I got to New Orleans as soon as I could." – Matt "Not everyone is the monster that they sometimes come across as." – Matt "Love does stuff. Love does not wait." – Matt "Sometimes, just the looking is part of who you become." – Matt "Life is too short to be unhappy." – Matt "I feel like so many people hide from their own greatness." – Emily "To turn lead into gold is always the mission." – Matt "I'm both terrified at the amount of work left to do, and also excited by it." – Matt   🧰 Tools & Mentions • U.S. Bartenders Guild https://usbg.org/  • Sazerac Company https://www.sazerac.com  • Wine & Spirit Education Trust https://www.wsetglobal.com  • Safe Bar Network https://www.safebarnetwork.org  • Turning Tables https://www.turningtablesnola.org  • Bruce Springsteen's autobiography   👥 Who Should Listen • Hospitality workers, bartenders, and leaders who care about creating safer spaces • Coaches and managers helping people discern whether to stay, change, or leave • People who love New Orleans, cocktails, whiskey, Mardi Gras, and good storytelling • Anyone who has wondered whether joy is a legitimate guide in work and life • Leaders who want to use their influence to strengthen community • Lifelong learners who are still figuring out how to turn lead into gold   🎺 That Music! Special thanks to Lexi Moreno, Caleb Pitman, and Zoe Czarnecki for the original music. Lexi Moreno – composing / mixing / mastering / guitar Caleb Pitman – composing / mixing / trumpet Zoe Czarnecki – bass

    23 min

  3. May 20

    SFIO 408 - When Becoming Comes to Meet Us

    *]:pointer-events-auto R6Vx5W_threadScrollVars scroll-mb-[calc(var(--scroll-root-safe-area-inset-bottom,0px)+var(--thread-response-height))] scroll-mt-[calc(var(--header-height)+min(200px,max(70px,20svh)))]" dir="auto" data-turn-id= "request-69fca702-0d18-83ea-ac44-13e60a53e910-0" data-turn-id-container= "request-69fca702-0d18-83ea-ac44-13e60a53e910-0" data-testid= "conversation-turn-4" data-scroll-anchor="false" data-turn= "assistant"> 📋 Episode Summary In this episode, Emily and Marc explore the word "evolution" as part of Season 4's ongoing conversation about transitions. What begins with science, faith, and Madeline L'Engle turns into a much more personal reflection on marriage, parenting adult children, changing relationships, and learning to give ourselves and others room to grow. Marc reflects on how hard it can be to believe in someone else's evolution when past hurt or disappointment is involved. Emily brings a coach's curiosity to the difference between expecting others to change and noticing how we ourselves are changing. Together, they wonder about goals, perfectionism, strategic plans, walking habits, values, community, and the mystery of becoming. By the end, evolution feels less like a straight line and more like navigation: active, intentional, responsive, and open to the possibility that the island may be coming to us.   🔑 Key Takeaways • Evolution can be a grace-filled word because it leaves room for change, growth, and becoming. • Relationships require curiosity. The people we love are not frozen versions of who they used to be. • Not every relationship can hold the same amount of spaciousness, and not everyone wants the same kind of community. • "What goals" and "who goals" can work together: daily practices shape the kind of person we are becoming. • Evolution may include steps forward, steps back, repair, brokenness, and slow unnoticed change. • Strategic plans and life plans rarely unfold like GPS directions. Values may function more like the keel of a ship. • Becoming is not passive, but it may still involve receiving what comes toward us.   🗣 Quote Highlights "Evolution is a wonder word." – Emily "To me, the word is a grace-filled word, because it allows for change, allows for growth." – Marc "If I can shoot for a little bit better, a little bit more, a little bit truer, then I have the courage and the capacity in my heart and the hope to move forward." – Emily "My role is to set a good table, but I can't make them eat the meal." – Marc "The what goals and the who goals, I think, work in tandem to evolve each other." – Emily "I don't want to be so focused that I lose a peripheral vision for, this is so much better than I could have asked or imagined." – Marc "Māori don't say they're going to the island. They say the island's coming to them." – Marc "I wonder if our becoming comes to us." – Marc   🧰 Tools & Mentions • Madeline L'Engle • GPS as a planning metaphor • Scrum • Māori sea voyages and celestial navigation   👥 Who Should Listen • People navigating personal or relational transitions • Parents of adult children learning how to relate differently • Couples reflecting on how marriage changes over time • Coaches and leaders interested in values-based growth • Business owners or nonprofit leaders rethinking rigid strategic plans • Anyone trying to give themselves more grace as they change   🎺 That Music! Special thanks to Lexi Moreno, Caleb Pitman, and Zoe Czarnecki for the original music. Lexi Moreno – composing / mixing / mastering / guitar Caleb Pitman – composing / mixing / trumpet Zoe Czarnecki – bass

    26 min

  4. May 12

    SFIO 407 - Who Are You Without All the Things? with guest Toya Moore

    📋 Episode Summary In this episode, Emily and Marc talk with Toya Moore — coach, community advocate, yoga teacher, ICF South Carolina president, mom, and someone very intentionally reimagining this phase of her life. The conversation moves through rest, parenting adult children, play, community-building, coaching, strengths, and what happens when life strips away some of the things we thought defined us. Toya shares how a serious car accident shifted her understanding of identity, resources, rest, and groundedness. It's a warm, funny, vulnerable conversation about being in transition without rushing to solve it — about learning to pour into yourself, plant both feet on the ground, and be okay not knowing what tomorrow looks like.   🔑 Key Takeaways • Rest is not the opposite of growth. For Toya, rest is part of preparing for a thoughtful pivot. • Parenting adult children may require reimagining old patterns rather than simply repeating how we were parented. • Intentional boundaries — like Do Not Disturb, no late-night calls, and a Sabbath rhythm — can become a practical form of self-care. • Play does not always have to be elaborate. Sometimes whimsy looks like singing Hall & Oates in the grocery store or reading yourself a bedtime story. • Strengths can be overused. VIA Strengths gives Toya a way to help people understand what serves them, what needs practice, and what may get in the way. • Losing "the things" — a car, money, furniture, status, titles, or ease — can reveal deeper questions about character and identity. • A pivot is not only the action of turning. Sometimes it is the grounded point that makes the turn possible.   🗣 Quote Highlights "I am planted at the intersection of rest and pivoting." – Toya "I don't need to do all those new things. I need to finish the things that I have been working on for years and years and years." – Toya "I had my likeness put into a book… I read myself a bedtime story." – Toya "The hat rack at your house has so many hooks for all the different hats you wear." – Marc "Who are you without all the things?" – Toya "The pivot is that I've got my front foot rooted, or my back foot rooted, or my core engaged. That's where the action comes from." – Emily "I want to normalize being in a space of uncertainty and not knowing which way I'm going and being okay with it." – Toya   🧰 Tools & Mentions • International Coaching Federation of South Carolina https://icfsc.org/  • VIA Strengths / Values in Action • Life University positive psychology program • Veterans Yoga Project   👥 Who Should Listen • Parents learning how to relate to their adult children in a new way • Coaches, facilitators, and community leaders navigating a season of transition • People who are tired of burning the candle at both ends and want rest to become more intentional • Anyone asking who they are apart from roles, titles, status, money, or possessions • Leaders who care about strengths-based work, somatics, mindfulness, and community-building   🎺 That Music! Special thanks to Lexi Moreno, Caleb Pitman, and Zoe Czarnecki for the original music. Lexi Moreno – composing / mixing / mastering / guitar Caleb Pitman – composing / mixing / trumpet Zoe Czarnecki – bass

    28 min

  5. May 6

    SFIO 406 - Passage, Piles of Rocks, and No Going Back

    📋 Episode Summary In this episode, Emily and Marc continue their season on transitions by exploring the word "passage." What begins with train tickets, hallways, and magical doorways becomes a deeper conversation about the passages that mark a life: marriage, graduation, parenthood, moving, grief, aging parents, and adult children launching into their own lives. They notice how often major transitions do not feel like dramatic reveals. Sometimes, after the wedding, the degree, the move, or the milestone, the honest feeling is simply, "still me." And yet, looking back, those passages have changed them, shaped them, and left markers along the way. The conversation becomes an invitation to pay attention to the hallway, not just the room we came from or the one we are entering. What are the "piles of rocks" worth remembering? What are the moments of no going back? And what might we notice if we stop rushing through the passage? 🔑 Key Takeaways • Passage is not the same as being a passenger. It can be an active, meaningful space between one place and another. • Many major life transitions do not come with a dramatic reveal. Sometimes the marker happens, and we still feel like ourselves. • Looking back helps us see how much we have changed, even when the change was gradual or hard to notice at the time. • Rituals, ceremonies, bridges, graduations, and other symbolic markers help us name the "no going back" moments in life. • Some passages are chosen, and some arrive through grief, aging, parenting, loss, or family change. • Noticing the details of the passage — the hallway, the baseboards, the exposed wires, the "pile of rocks" — can make transition feel more meaningful and less accidental. 🗣 Quote Highlights "I think of the passageway into magical worlds. Narnia, hedges, doorways, something that is a passage into another place." – Emily "It's the purposeful space in between. It connects two places." – Marc "I wonder if we do that with some of the transitions in our life — where we're coming from and where we're going to occupy our mind." – Marc "The passage of marriage, of doing life together, is continual. That's a really long doorway." – Emily "Maybe it could be reassuring that there's not a big makeover or a big reveal." – Marc "Reveals are staged. Reveals are really edited." – Emily "I like your noticing that no-going-backness." – Emily "I think a danger would be to just let things happen instead of observing them or acknowledging them." – Marc 🧰 Tools & Mentions • Sprouts, Emily's weekly newsletter https://ejpitman.com/about-sprouts/  • The Northwest Passage • "Time Passages" by Al Stewart • Passage to India • Narnia • "Sunrise, Sunset" • St. John of the Cross and the Dark Night of the Soul • Brownies and Girl Scouts bridging ceremonies • Driver's Ed walk-around checklists • Hebrew Scripture practice of marking memory with piles of rocks 👥 Who Should Listen • People in a season of transition who expected it to feel more dramatic or obvious than it does. • Parents adjusting to adult children launching into their own lives. • Couples reflecting on marriage as a long, ongoing passage rather than a single moment. • Anyone navigating grief, aging parents, end-of-life passages, or family change. • Listeners who appreciate reflective conversations about rituals, memory, and the meaning hidden in ordinary transitions. 🎺 That Music! Special thanks to Lexi Moreno, Caleb Pitman, and Zoe Czarnecki for the original music. Lexi Moreno – composing / mixing / mastering / guitar Caleb Pitman – composing / mixing / trumpet Zoe Czarnecki – bass

    24 min

  6. Apr 29

    SFIO 405 - What Looks Like Waiting

    📋 Episode Summary In this episode of Still Figuring It Out, Marc and Emily continue their season-long conversation about transitions by exploring the word "metamorphosis." Even though the butterfly image can feel overused, Emily names what she still loves about it: the wonder of living in a universe where what you see is not always what you get. The conversation moves from HGTV reveal scenes and The Princess Diaries to leadership transformation, midwifery, faith, parenting, marriage, conflict, and the long waiting seasons that make change possible. Marc reflects on the kind of transformation where there is no desire to go back, while Emily reminds us that metamorphosis often looks like waiting, watching, stretching, conflict, and becoming. Together, they sit with the messiness of change: the cocoon, the not-yet, the impatience, the anger, the grace to let others become, and the hope of being ready to "catch and witness" what emerges. 🔑 Key Takeaways • Metamorphosis may be an overused image, but it still holds real wonder: the possibility that what we see now is not the whole story. • Transformation is rarely instant. It can involve long seasons of waiting, watching, and not knowing what is forming underneath the surface. • Conflict can be part of becoming. Whether in childhood, young adulthood, marriage, faith, or leadership, tension often reveals that something new is trying to emerge. • Marc connects metamorphosis to leadership transformation: helping people reach a place so fully their own that going back no longer feels possible or desirable. • Emily names impatience and anger not as weaknesses to erase, but as part of "the color of the picture." • One act of grace is choosing to believe that someone's change may be metamorphosis, not avoidance, flippancy, or failure to do the work. • The process may not be beautiful, but the results can be worth it. 🗣 Quote Highlights "Being in a universe where what you see isn't necessarily what you get." – Emily "All of us want a reveal moment." – Emily "The reveal is that you're the princess on your terms." – Emily "We love helping leaders see that what might look like the end might really be a glorious beginning." – Marc "A transformation so complete, there's no danger of going back. There's no desire to go back." – Marc "Metamorphosis isn't a today, tomorrow." – Emily "It's deciding to stay walking until we figure out how this new pace is going to be." – Emily "I want to give grace for people to change and to be other." – Marc "I want to be ready to catch and witness." – Emily "The process isn't beautiful. But the results are really worth it." – Marc 🧰 Tools & Mentions • HGTV reveal scenes • The Princess Diaries • Concord Leadership Group manifesto https://concordleadershipgroup.com/manifesto  • Quadrant 3 Leadership • Midwifery as a metaphor for helping transformation emerge • St. John of the Cross and the dark night of the soul • Indigenous cultures, seasons, and life cycles • Hallmark movies • Monstera plants 👥 Who Should Listen • People who are in a long transition and frustrated that change is taking longer than expected. • Leaders, coaches, and helpers who walk with others through transformation. • Parents watching children, teens, or adult children become more fully themselves. • Couples who are learning how conflict can become part of deeper togetherness. • Listeners who resonate with faith, doubt, curiosity, and the messiness of personal growth. • Anyone who needs permission to trust that something may be forming even when it only looks like waiting. 🎺 That Music! Special thanks to Lexi Moreno, Caleb Pitman, and Zoe Czarnecki for the original music. Lexi Moreno – composing / mixing / mastering / guitar Caleb Pitman – composing / mixing / trumpet Zoe Czarnecki – bass

    21 min

  7. Apr 22

    SFIO 404 - Cocktails, Community, and the Work of Hope with Lisa Belczyk

    *]:pointer-events-auto scroll-mt-[calc(var(--header-height)+min(200px,max(70px,20svh)))]" dir="auto" data-turn-id= "request-67fd92c8-4ba8-800e-a5e7-db52c951c3ea-1" data-testid= "conversation-turn-98" data-scroll-anchor="true" data-turn= "assistant"> 📋 𝐄𝐩𝐢𝐬𝐨𝐝𝐞 𝐒𝐮𝐦𝐦𝐚𝐫𝐲 In this episode of Still Figuring It Out, Emily and Marc welcome Lisa Belczyk for a wide-ranging conversation about art, hospitality, cocktails, community, and how to stay human in a turbulent world. Lisa shares her wonderfully layered identity — Pittsburgh native, former classical musician, drinks educator, cocktail designer, and lover of food, books, travel, and design — and reflects on how beauty and culture have shaped her life from an early age. The conversation moves from Frank Lloyd Wright and Fallingwater to the Wine & Spirit Education Trust, cocktail menus, and the craft of helping people grow their palates. But the heart of the episode lands in a deeper place: how to keep showing up with hope, joy, and care when the world feels unstable and overwhelming. Lisa offers a compelling vision of taverns, bars, and cultural spaces as places where people gather, reconnect, replenish, and imagine what comes next. It's a thoughtful, emotionally grounded episode about civil society, creativity, resistance, and the small but meaningful ways we can contribute to a better world.   🔑 𝐊𝐞𝐲 𝐓𝐚𝐤𝐞𝐰𝐚𝐲𝐬 Art and beauty can shape a life early, and those influences often keep echoing into our work and identity. Hospitality matters, especially in hard times. A welcoming space can offer real nourishment for people who are tired, grieving, or trying to keep going. Civil society is built in shared spaces — taverns, theaters, clubs, guilds, and gathering places where people remember how to be human together. Trust is central to growth, whether you are helping someone expand their palate, supporting a professional community, or walking with others through difficult times. Creativity and art are not luxuries. They can be part of how people endure, resist, connect, and imagine something better. Even in seasons of global uncertainty, people still need joy, flavor, conversation, and community. Hope may feel harder to hold right now, but small acts of beauty, gathering, and care still matter.   🗣 𝐐𝐮𝐨𝐭𝐞 𝐇𝐢𝐠𝐡𝐥𝐢𝐠𝐡𝐭𝐬 "I want to learn everything about everything, and so I follow a lot of tangents." – Lisa "We still know how to blow bubbles, guys. Bubbles can exist in this world." – Emily "You can live in art, and it can be just so integrated into who we are as humans." – Lisa "It means harmony. It means working in that resonant space of when your values and your life and your work and your team are like guitar strings humming off each other." – Emily "We need these spaces that are outside of our homes and outside of our ideological castles." – Marc "How do we support our neighbors? How do we support our global neighbors in times of atrocity?" – Lisa "We were asked when we thought humanities best time was. I still really, really believe it hasn't happened yet." – Emily "Don't keep digging up the seed. You planted the seed — don't keep digging it up to see if there are roots." – Marc "Revolutions were built in taverns and pubs and communal third spaces." – Lisa "If I can provide a hospitable space that also happens to have a kick-ass cocktail, I feel like that can replenish the soul for the fight." – Lisa   🧰 𝐓𝐨𝐨𝐥𝐬 & 𝐌𝐞𝐧𝐭𝐢𝐨𝐧𝐬 • U.S. Bartenders Guild (USBG) • Jess Pettitt • Wine & Spirit Education Trust (WSET) • Frank Lloyd Wright • Carnegie Museum of Art • Fred Rogers • Julia Child • The Hold Steady • Join or Die (documentary) • Dietrich Bonhoeffer 👥 𝐖𝐡𝐨 𝐒𝐡𝐨𝐮𝐥𝐝 𝐋𝐢𝐬𝐭𝐞𝐧 • People trying to stay hopeful and grounded in a turbulent political and cultural moment • Bartenders, hospitality professionals, and anyone who cares about the deeper role of gathering spaces • Artists, musicians, and creatives thinking about what art is for in difficult times • Leaders and community-builders who want to create spaces of connection, trust, and renewal • Listeners who enjoy thoughtful conversations about culture, beauty, resistance, and joy • Anyone interested in the intersection of food, drink, design, and meaningful human connection 🎺 𝐓𝐡𝐚𝐭 𝐌𝐮𝐬𝐢𝐜! Special thanks to Lexi Moreno, Caleb Pitman, and Zoe Czarnecki for the original music. Lexi Moreno – composing / mixing / mastering / guitar Caleb Pitman – composing / mixing / trumpet Zoe Czarnecki – bass

    25 min

  8. Apr 15

    SFIO 403 - Where Your Foot Lands: The Hidden Center of Change

    📋 Episode Summary This episode begins, as many do, in the wonderfully ordinary—missing pillows, pollen season in Greenville, and the small negotiations of shared space. But quickly, the conversation pivots (intentionally and unexpectedly) into a deeper exploration of transitions—what they are, how we navigate them, and what truly anchors us when everything feels like it's shifting. Marc reflects on the modern pressure for certainty in leadership and life, while Emily reframes the idea of "pivot" from a tired buzzword into something embodied, grounded, and even elegant. Drawing from dance, grammar, coaching, and spirituality, they explore what it means to have a true pivot point—not just a change in direction, but a grounded place from which meaningful movement happens. The conversation unfolds into a rich, layered reflection on agency, identity, and perspective: Are we the ones acting, or the ones being acted upon? And how might shifting that lens change how we move through seasons of transition? 🔑 Key Takeaways • A true pivot isn't just a change in direction—it requires a stable, grounded point to turn from. • Modern leadership often craves certainty, but today's reality demands adaptability rooted in values. • We tend to oversimplify problems by searching for a single cause instead of recognizing broader systems. • Transitions invite curiosity and expectancy—not just problem-solving or loss-focused thinking. • Language shapes perspective: shifting subject and object can radically change how we understand our role in change. • Agency in transitions is more complex than control—it may involve both acting and responding. 🗣 Quote Highlights "Pivot is the act of pivoting… but it's also the place where your foot lands before you turn." – Emily "I think it's more realistic to ask, what are the guiding principles…rather than what's the five-year plan?" – Marc "I remember the strength and the sassiness I felt when I learned to pivot turn." – Emily "I have an amazing ability to find one thing to blame in what's actually a systemic issue." – Marc "We often focus on what we're losing in transitions instead of being curious about what's coming." – Marc "The pivot point is you—and the action you take toward those things." – Emily "We don't impact everything… sometimes we're the ones being impacted." – Emily 🧰 Tools & Mentions • Merriam-Webster (definitions of "pivot") • WordHippo (word exploration tool) • Pivot tables (Excel reference) • Dr. Nadia Nuxemblyva / Reinvention Lab • Anne Handley ("Justice for M-Dashes") • Robert Webber (writings on worship) • Richard Rohr (the "divine dance") 👥 Who Should Listen • Leaders navigating uncertainty and tired of rigid long-term planning models • People in a season of transition who feel pressure to "figure it out" quickly • Coaches, facilitators, and consultants exploring deeper frameworks for change • Couples or partners working and growing together through life transitions • Anyone wrestling with control, agency, and meaning in times of change 🎺 That Music! Special thanks to Lexi Moreno, Caleb Pitman, and Zoe Czarnecki for the original music. Lexi Moreno – composing / mixing / mastering / guitar Caleb Pitman – composing / mixing / trumpet Zoe Czarnecki – bass

    19 min
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with Emily & Marc. After doing life, family, and business together for thirty years, we are still figuring it out. Both fiercely independent first borns, we are committed to continuing to grow and try new things in our entrepreneurial adventures.

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  • Creator
    Emily and Marc Pitman
  • Years Active
    2025 - 2026
  • Episodes
    46
  • Rating
    Clean
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    © 2025
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    Still Figuring It Out

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