It is hard for me to believe that in the dozen years since Streetsblog Los Angeles launched the Damien Talks podcast, that I've never had Damian Kevitt, the executive director and founder of Streets Are for Everyone, as a guest on that podcast, SGV Connect, What's Next or StreetSmart. Well, that ends today. The theme for this week's podcast is the end of the legislative session. Including today, there is just over a week left before the legislature goes home at the end of the month. We discuss Senate Bill 1013, which aims to regulate Flock cameras but could impact various automated enforcement systems. Assembly Bill 311, the Consumer Driving Data Protection Act, that incentivizes safe driving through insurance discounts which was thought to be defeated but may rise at the 11th hour. They also discuss Senate Bill 1167 and Assembly Bill 2346, which address e-bike and e-moto regulations, noting improvements and potential conflicts. SB 1167 has been widely supported by the advocacy community for its effort to categorize and regulate e-bike/e-moto sales. AB 2346 has been less popular because of some provisions which are seen as dangerous to the growth of e-bike sales, but recent amendments have made it more palatable. Locally, SAFE's initiatives include providing free bike valet services at the Long Beach Amphitheater and Hollywood Bowl, with plans for Dodger Stadium. Listeners will note that the vibe of this discussion is a little more relaxed than usual. Kevitt and I have known each other for over a decade after a hit-and-run crash took part of his leg while he was bicycling in Griffith Park. The picture of a "happy warrior" Kevitt used his tragedy to become one of the loudest voices pushing for safe streets for all road users. The following transcript has been lightly edited for grammer and clarity. Damien Newton: So I've done like four or five different themed podcasts over the years, and I think this is the first time I've ever interviewed you. I think this is the first time we've ever done a Damien Squared podcast, unless I'm mistaken. Damian Kevitt: No, I don't recall any other Damien Squared. Did we do? Maybe you were at one of our die-ins or something like that. You did a little, small interview. Newton: Yeah, but we never used the audio for those on the website. It was just to get the quotes. So, yeah, I've been to several die-ins over the years. We were on the steps of City Hall, I think, down in L.A. Kevitt: Yeah, yeah, that's right. Newton: Well, anyway, for those listening, this is the Streetsblog California Street Smart podcast. This is the first podcast of our fall session. We have a few things planned. We're going to be talking about weatherproofing with Metrolink. Obviously, we're going to talk about the legislative session a lot, and of course, some of the things from here will be repodcast with the SGV Connect podcast and vice versa. But we're at the point in the legislature where there are no more hearings. So, if your favorite—or least favorite—piece of legislation needed to go through another hearing, it's done. The list is narrowed down. Assuming I get this up the day we record it, which is Wednesday the 19th, there are only eight more days, including today, of the legislature being in business before bills go to the governor's desk. I'm here live with Damian Kevitt of Streets Are For Everyone, and they've been very busy this session. He's been very busy this session, and we're going to talk about where we are. So let's start with—we did do a pre-show, and you told me about a piece of legislation I wasn't actually aware of that seems to be targeted at Flock cameras, but could have some wider-ranging implications. So why don't you tell us what's going on? Kevitt: Yeah, this has been a bit of a sleeper bill because it doesn't obviously affect road safety, but it does. And that is Cervantes' Senate Bill 1013. Really, the intention of the bill is to put some checks on and rein in the broadness of the use of Flock cameras—to put some privacy checks in there. I'm not personally opposed to that concept. The problem is that the language, as it was written, would affect the use of license plate-reading cameras for bus-lane enforcement, bike-lane enforcement, automated speed enforcement and red-light cameras. They're all using similar technology—not the same purpose, but similar technology. All of those systems, of course, are not for broad mass surveillance used by police departments. Those are for road safety or parking enforcement. But it's the same basic technology, and again, the wording was very broad in this particular bill. Last year, the bill came up and kind of died. It didn't go very far. And this year, we realized fairly late in the legislative season that it was already in the other house—the Assembly. We realized this actually has a chance of getting through, especially with the amount of backlash on Flock and concern in the media. And then we realized that, yeah, it could literally kill almost every single automated enforcement system, whether it's parking or traffic enforcement. Newton: Right. And the concerns that people have with Flock—a lot of the privacy concerns are not necessarily things that would roll over into, say, Hayden AI's way of doing things: the way the information's shared, the way the plates are shared. Because I understand the concerns about Flock, and probably agree with them. I haven't spent a ton of time on it, but I do believe in not sharing information that could get people in trouble over, you know, something unrelated to traffic offenses. But I also, after 2020, after the Black Lives Matter movement, we all seemed to agree we wanted fewer interactions between traffic enforcement officers and drivers to reduce bias and all of that. So unless we're just giving up on traffic enforcement altogether, I don't know how we take what we learned from Black Lives Matter and apply it to traffic safety. Kevitt: Yeah. I mean, obviously, there's a lot that's changing in this area. The use of technology for enforcement purposes—and I say that in the very broadest sense—is a rapidly evolving area. Flock cameras have jumped onto the scene and become very popular, really just in a matter of a few years. And this is not uncommon when you have newer technologies being introduced: legislation takes a little bit to catch up to them. And the question is, how do you do that balance correctly? I know that in the bills that we have worked on—Assembly Bill 645 and a couple of its cousins, Senate Bill 720, which is the red-light camera reform bill—we have made sure there's a tremendous amount of privacy safeguards put into those bills: limiting how long the data can be kept, limiting who has access to that data and, provided that those laws are being followed, making sure that those safeguards are in place. And that's, of course, the other part: making sure that government agencies—the Department of Transportation or Public Works Department—are following them correctly. But provided they are following what's written in the bill, you have all of those safeguards in place. It's not allowed to be shared with, let's say, an ICE agency. And a lot of the concern is connected with ICE. Flock cameras don't have that. So when you start introducing outside changes to address Flock cameras, and they are in conflict with laws and bills that have already been passed on automated enforcement for speed or parking, you end up killing the entire system. Newton: And to be clear, this bill has passed everything it needs to pass except for the full Senate. Do I have that correct? It was an Assembly bill? Kevitt: No, it is a Senate bill. Newton: Senate bill. Kevitt: So, on the floor, we have managed—and there's quite a bit of concerted effort. We alerted some of the manufacturers, or the vendors, I should say, who would be affected. We've alerted other legislators whose bills would have been badly affected. We've been working with Streets For All and other organizations to sort of—not a well-coordinated effort, but coordinated effort. I would like to say well-coordinated, but, you know, a lot of these— Newton: Last-second efforts are just as well-coordinated as they can be. I'm not that far removed from my lobbyist days to remember the, "Oh my God, what's going on right now? We need to get our butts together," sort of end-of-the-session lobbying. Although that was in New Jersey, so at least I had a smaller state. Kevitt: Yes. Anyway, yeah, there's definitely been a coordinated effort on addressing some of these issues. They're very much at the last minute. Honestly, it was going into Appropriations, just finished the last committee, when we all sort of realized at the same time that we've got a problem on our hands. The good news is there have been some fairly major amendments taken. There is really one last amendment that we are asking for, and hopefully in the next day we should have that amendment done. And if we have dodged that bullet—in which case, SAFE, we've been opposed unless amended, and a number of other organizations with us on that—we will remove that "oppose unless amended." I am going to review it. I might even consider supporting it. I have to just review it in a new unit of time, and then it goes on to the governor. And, you know, it's possible it'll actually get passed. Newton: I mean, the backlash against Flock has been a national story, so it'd probably be good politics for a governor that's, you know, might be looking at some of these signings or not signings as a way to make a last statement before he faces a new set of voters. Did I phrase that? Did I phrase that correctly? Kevitt: As we all know, yes. The writing is on the wall, and the question is how he's positioning himself to try to do that. Newton: All right. So, changing gears a little bit. For anyone that does not know, SAFE—as you could p