The Subrogation Support Network Podcast

Matthiesen, Wickert & Lehrer, S.C.
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Join Attorney Ashton Kirsch as he hosts The Subrogation Support Network. From the world's finest subrogation resource center, this podcast will aim to provide subrogation professionals with effective strategies and insightful tips. You'll hear from various lawyers and experts discussing the latest legal updates, news and trends.  'RSSVERIFY'

  1. JAN 20

    The Art of the Subro Deal: A Mediator’s Perspective

    Ashton Kirsch sits down with mediator and negotiation professor Lee Mendelson for a practical, subrogation-focused conversation on what actually moves cases to resolution. Lee shares how he transitioned from running a long-time subrogation practice to mediating full-time nationwide, and why subject-matter expertise matters when selecting a mediator—especially in technical and insurance-driven disputes. They break down how strong negotiators prepare (and why most don’t), including BATNA/walkaway points, anchoring, objective criteria, and the difference between positional bargaining and interest-based problem solving. The discussion also tackles real-world mediation strategy: when early (pre-suit or early-suit) mediations make sense, what to include in mediation submissions (and what to keep confidential), how to handle difficult client/insured dynamics, and how Zoom mediations have changed participation and decision-maker access. The episode closes with actionable tips for adjusters and attorneys who want better outcomes, fewer stalemates, and a more disciplined approach to negotiation.

    49 min

  2. 12/09/2025

    Leadership, Litigation & Life After Service: A Conversation with Jerrod Fussnecker

    In this special crossover episode, Subrogation Support Network host Ashton Kirsch sits down with Jerrod Fussnecker, Army veteran, former JAG officer, military judge, and host of the Military Veterans in Law podcast, for a powerful conversation about service, career transitions, and the surprising ways military experience aligns with insurance and subrogation work. Ashton and Jerrod dive into Jerrod’s path from West Point to Afghanistan to the courtroom, and how the discipline, leadership, accountability, and investigative skills honed in the military translate directly into claims handling, litigation strategy, and recovery work. Together, they discuss what employers should know when recruiting veterans, how veterans can better “translate” their resumes for civilian legal roles, and why the insurance industry is uniquely positioned to benefit from the veteran talent pipeline. They also break down what subrogation really is, why it matters, and how veterans looking for mission, teamwork, and purpose can find all three in this corner of the legal world.

    36 min

  3. 11/18/2025

    Inside the Subro Partnership Playbook

    In this episode, Subrogation Support Network host Ashton Kirsch teams up with Subro Sense host Aaron Jacobs for a deep dive into something most people don’t realize happens behind the scenes: true collaboration between subrogation firms. Together, they unpack how attorneys from different organizations coordinate strategies on market-share claims, large-loss commercial property cases, MDLs, mass torts, and product failures. They also discuss the challenges of balancing different carrier risk appetites, choosing the right experts, and avoiding the pitfalls of low-cost vendors. This episode offers an honest look at how cooperation, not competition, is driving better recoveries and shaping the future of the industry.

    38 min

  4. 11/04/2025

    Claims, Cliff Dives, and Comedy: A Conversation with Simon Keshishian

    This episode is packed with energy (literally). Your host, Ashton Kirsch, sits down with Simon Keshishian, Head of Risk Management for Red Bull North America, for a high-octane conversation about what it really means to manage risk when your company is known for pushing limits. From cliff-diving events to contract clauses, Simon shares how Red Bull balances bold ideas with calculated controls, all while keeping humor (and a few dad jokes) at the center of his leadership style. They dive into the evolution of risk management, the growing importance of subrogation, and how today’s carriers can recover smarter, not harder.  It’s a rare glimpse into one of the world’s most recognizable brands' approach to risk, resilience, and recovery.  **Red Bull is a registered trademark of Red Bull GmbH. This podcast is not affiliated with or endorsed by Red Bull**

    48 min

  5. 10/14/2025

    Building a Career That Lasts: Lessons from Caryn Siebert

    In this episode of the Subrogation Support Network, host Ashton Kirsch sits down with Caryn Siebert, Vice President of Carrier Engagement at Gallagher Bassett, for a candid conversation about leadership, claims innovation, and the future of subrogation. Caryn shares how her unconventional path, from aspiring veterinarian to attorney to insurance executive, shaped her understanding of people, process, and purpose in the industry. Together, Ashton and Caryn unpack the value of centralized subrogation, the importance of accurate metrics in the C-suite, and how data-driven strategy can transform carrier performance. Beyond the technical insights, Caryn offers practical and inspiring advice for rising professionals on mentorship, career growth, and stepping outside your comfort zone. This episode is a must-listen for anyone passionate about claims, subrogation, and building a meaningful career in insurance.

    38 min

  6. 09/23/2025

    Inside the Subro Mindset: Two Podcasts, One Deep Dive

    Two of the subrogation world’s leading voices join forces in this special crossover between the Subrogation Support Network and Claims Hunter podcasts. Host Ashton Kirsch of Matthiesen, Wickert & Lehrer, S.C. and guest co-host Chris Tidball of SubroIQ dig deep into what really drives successful recoveries—spotting hidden opportunities, investigating fast, and negotiating smart. From missed recoveries worth millions to the evolving role of AI, and from frontline adjuster training to future trends like autonomous-vehicle claims, Ashton and Chris share real-world stories, lessons learned, and practical strategies you can put to work today. This crossover isn’t just a conversation—it’s a call to action. Use the strategies shared here to sharpen your claims process, spot overlooked recoveries, and stay ahead of shifting industry trends.

    52 min

  7. 09/09/2025

    Casinos & Cornstalks: Legislative Reform in Nevada & Nebraska With Gary Wickert

    From the bright lights of Nevada to the cornfields of Nebraska, subrogation is getting a legislative makeover. In this episode of the Subrogation Support Network, host Ashton Kirsch sits down with Gary Wickert to unpack sweeping workers’ compensation reforms in two states that couldn’t be more different—but are shaping the same conversation. Ashton and Gary explore how Nevada went from one of the toughest places for comp subrogation to a state offering clearer, common-sense rules, while Nebraska grapples with court rulings that threaten to sideline recovery altogether. Together, they highlight what these changes mean for claims professionals, why legislative compromise matters, and how reform efforts impact employers, insurers, and the subrogation industry at large. It’s a practical, state-specific look at where subrogation is headed—and why it matters to anyone working in insurance and risk.

    53 min

  8. 08/26/2025

    Subrogation in the Bayou: Louisiana’s Civil Code & Tort Reform With Jim Busenlener

    What happens when Mardi Gras beads meet the Napoleonic Code? In this episode of the Subrogation Support Network, host Ashton Kirsch sits down with New Orleans partner Jim Busenlener to dive into Louisiana’s one-of-a-kind legal system. They discuss how French civil law still shapes subrogation today, the sweeping tort reforms shaking up the state, and why knowing the difference between “prescription” and “statute of limitations” could make or break your case. From made whole disputes to workers’ comp liens, discover why Louisiana is one of the trickiest and most fascinating jurisdictions for subrogation professionals.

    51 min
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Join Attorney Ashton Kirsch as he hosts The Subrogation Support Network. From the world's finest subrogation resource center, this podcast will aim to provide subrogation professionals with effective strategies and insightful tips. You'll hear from various lawyers and experts discussing the latest legal updates, news and trends.  'RSSVERIFY'

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  • Creator
    Matthiesen, Wickert & Lehrer, S.C.
  • Years Active
    2023 - 2026
  • Episodes
    44
  • Rating
    Clean
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    © 2026 The Subrogation Support Network Podcast
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