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  1. 4d ago

    How to Sell Books Without an Algorithm

    On the latest Substack Writers Salon, I sat down with Tim Jacobs, The Publishing Edge, author of 19 books and more than 450 articles, and owner of JWC Publishing Tim’s path looks a lot like mine. He was the kid reading under the covers with a flashlight. He wrote his first book. He learned the business from the inside, and eventually he started publishing other people’s books. What began around 2010 as Jacobs Writing Consultants (Tim plus five editors doing editing and proofreading) grew into a full publishing company. We talked about publishing myths, distribution, marketing, and protecting your own writing while running a business. Here’s what stood out. 1. Followers are not buyers This is the myth that some authors fall for: I have 10,000 followers, so I’ll sell 10,000 copies. You won’t. I tell people that if you have 1,000 followers, you’ll probably sell three to five copies. People can love your content and still never buy your book. Tim added a layer I think matters even more: engagement beats follower count. He has seen people with 20,000 followers get two likes on a post, and people with 1,000 followers get hundreds of comments. The second person has a real audience. The first has a number. 2. The book that made $250,000 by being given away So if followers don’t buy your book, who does? For many of Tim’s clients, the honest answer is: they don’t sell it. They give it away. About ten years ago, JWC wrote and produced a book for a real estate brokerage in Fort Myers, Florida. Over six years, the firm printed 4,000 copies and handed them out to realtors, at conferences, and at open houses. The book brought agents under the firm’s umbrella, where they could start their own brokerages and pay fees on every transaction. The firm told Tim the book brought in more than $250,000. It cost them about $12,000 to produce. Give away 100 books, land four clients, and you’ve likely made far more than you would have selling those 100 copies. The book isn’t the product. It’s the proof that you wrote the book on your subject. 3. How Tim sold 2,000 copies in one summer with zero social media In 1996, Tim set out to write a fictional ghost story set in Connecticut’s Goodspeed Opera House. When he went looking for a history of the building, there wasn’t one. A friend pointed out that he now knew more about the opera house than anyone, so why not write the book he’d been searching for? He self-published it (through a printer he found in Writer’s Digest's classifieds) and released it in early summer. There was no Facebook, no LinkedIn, barely an internet. By the start of September, he’d gone through 2,000 copies. How? * Stores. He went shop to shop asking if they’d carry the book on a 50% split. * Free talks. He offered to speak at Rotary clubs and Friends of the Library groups at no charge, as long as he could sell books. They’d have paid him maybe $30. Selling ten books earned him around $200. * Free press. He’d open the local paper, find the reporter covering events, and call with a pitch: Would you like to interview the first person to write the full history of the opera house? Then he’d show up for the interview himself. Instead of buying an ad, he got a half- or full-page story with his photo, the cover, and the list of stores selling the book. None of that requires an algorithm. All of it still works. 4. Build a street team When I asked what works for him now, in our digital and AI-saturated moment, Tim’s answer was refreshingly analog: a street team. That’s six or seven people who act as the pillars of your launch. They’re the loud cheerleaders saying Did you see Tim’s new book? I just got it. That message lands very differently than the author saying please buy my book. His method for building one: * Go through your connections on LinkedIn, Substack, Facebook, wherever. * Find the people with the most engaged audiences. * Send each a personal message: I’m releasing my book on this date. I’d love a shout-out. Here’s the cover. I’m not asking you to buy it, review it, or even share a link. The team changes with each book. The people who help launch a horror novel won’t be the same ones who amplify a book on publishing basics. 5. Podcasts sell books, slowly Podcast tours are replacing traditional book tours. So I asked, "Do they actually sell books?" Tim’s take: yes, but on a longer fuse. At an in-person table, it’s immediate. We talk, you buy, we shake hands. On a podcast, a listener might check out your profile, absorb your content over a week or a month, decide you know what you’re talking about, and then discover you have a book. Don’t expect a dozen sales the moment the episode ends. Expect a slow build. 6. Where to print: Amazon vs. IngramSpark JWC uses Amazon KDP, IngramSpark, and Draft2Digital, and sometimes skips all of them when a client just wants 1,000 copies printed and shipped to their door. The difference Tim highlighted between Amazon and Ingram: * IngramSpark gets your book into the distribution channels bookstores order from, both indie shops and Barnes & Noble. That doesn’t guarantee a store will stock it, but it puts your book in front of buyers. Ingram also allows returns, which bookstores need. * Amazon doesn’t offer returns, which is why bookstores won’t order from it. Tim also chose Ingram for his latest family keepsake book because he wanted a cloth hardcover with a wraparound dust jacket. If you want bookstores or a premium hardcover, Ingram belongs in your plan. 7. Thirty minutes a day Then I asked Tim the question: how do you protect your own writing while running a business full of clients? His answer: he’s up between 4 and 5 a.m., and he doesn’t touch work until after 8. Mornings are for reading, a quick crossword and Wordle to warm up, and 30 minutes of his own writing. He started his newest family history book in July. By the time we spoke, he had surpassed 20,000 words and was nearly done. Thirty minutes a day. Your window might be late at night after the kids are asleep. The point isn’t 4 a.m. The point is a protected, non-negotiable block that belongs to your book before it belongs to anyone else. 8. Substack for relationships, LinkedIn for clients Tim spends about 45 minutes on Substack each morning: liking, restacking, commenting, replying, then posting his own note. He hasn’t landed a client here yet, and he isn’t trying to. Most of his business (around 80%) comes from referrals, with some clients from LinkedIn. I see the same pattern. LinkedIn is where clients find me. Substack is where community happens. And Tim pointed out something I love about this place: no one has ever pitched him in his Substack DMs. That’s also how this conversation happened. We’d been commenting on each other’s work, and I invited him on. He said that if a project isn’t the right fit for him, I’m one of the people he’d refer it to. Same here. My motto: competition is for losers. Collaboration wins. The short version * Followers aren’t buyers. Engagement matters more than follower count. * For nonfiction, the book can be a business card. Giving it away may earn you more than selling it. * Old-school tactics still work. Local stores, free talks, and pitching reporters sold 2,000 copies in one summer. * Build a street team of six or seven engaged people for each launch. * Podcasts are a slow burn, not instant sales. * Use IngramSpark if you want bookstore distribution or a premium hardcover. * Thirty protected minutes a day can produce a book. If Tim’s 30-minutes-a-day habit is the part that hit home, The Book Finisher Sprint ($9.9) is my do-it-yourself system for building that daily practice and getting your draft done. Connect with Tim * Website: jacobswc.com * Email: tjacobs@jacobswc.com * Find him here on Substack and on LinkedIn Thank you Susan, Marie Peace, and many others for tuning into my live video with The Publishing Edge! Join me for my next live video in the app. The Book Finisher is a reader-supported publication. To receive new posts and support my work, consider becoming a free or paid subscriber. This is a public episode. If you'd like to discuss this with other subscribers or get access to bonus episodes, visit natashatynes.substack.com/subscribe

    How to Sell Books Without an Algorithm
  2. Oct 21

    Transform your podcast into a profit center with Jen Rogers

    I’ve been running my podcast Read and Write with Natasha for almost four years. 123 episodes, which I’m really proud of. I’m consistent and love all the conversations, but I've always been worried about the money and investment I have been putting into it without a return. And until recently, I didn’t even ask listeners to subscribe. I record, send it to my editor, upload it to Buzzsprout, and move on. I love the conversations. That hour with a smart guest is my gateway drug to podcasting. But a hobby that eats hours every week should probably earn its keep. So I invited Jen Rogers🎤︎︎Mic Drop Mastery the founder of the Virtual Podcast School and host of the Substack Podcast Studio to my live show. I won’t recap the whole conversation. You can watch or listen above. But here are the moments that stuck with me. * Every episode needs a job. Jen says each episode should answer two questions before you hit record: What’s the business purpose? What does the listener walk away with? Then give them one clear next step. * Your voice should come first. I open every episode with a clip from my guest, the way the big shows do. Jen pushed back, kindly but firmly. A new listener needs to know whose show they’re on. Her line on copying the big podcasts: once you hit 500,000 downloads, you can do whatever you want. Until then, you lead. * Nobody cares about the bio. Open with a hook that makes the listener feel seen, not a list of your guest’s credentials. * Easy lift, then heavy lift. Jen uses at least three calls to action per episode. The first is free, like subscribing. The later ones ask for money. None of them sound like a commercial break. * The part that comforted me most: Jen’s first year of podcasting brought in 52 episodes, 1,066 downloads, and zero dollars. Everyone starts somewhere. And yes, I became a paid subscriber to her studio live, mid-interview. ____________________________________________________________________________ P.S.: Are you working on a book you can’t seem to finish? That’s what I do. DM me here or visit natashatynes.com. Read and Write with Natasha is a reader-supported publication. For $99/year, paid subscribers get lifetime access to $300+ of my courses and masterclasses, a signed copy of my novel (US only), and my full archive. Ready to finish your book? Upgrade to paid This is a public episode. If you'd like to discuss this with other subscribers or get access to bonus episodes, visit natashatynes.substack.com/subscribe

    Transform your podcast into a profit center with Jen Rogers
  3. Oct 6

    Niche Down or Stay Open? A Conversation With Memoir Coach Esther Harder

    This week on the Substack Writer Salon, I talked with Esther Harder, Book Coach , an Author Accelerator–certified book coach who helps memoir writers “with battered passports” tell their outsider stories. She writes Write Like an Outsider here on Substack. Esther and I do similar work, and we ended up comparing notes on how we coach, how we find clients, and a question I’ve been going back and forth on for a while. Here are the highlights. Do you need a certification to be a book coach? No, Esther said. You can coach with the skills you already have. For her, the value of the Author Accelerator program was the community behind it: about 450 certified coaches she can ask when a client brings her something new. If a client wants to self-publish, she can send them to a coach who does that every day. What happens in a coaching session It depends on where the writer is: * Just an idea: Esther uses the Blueprint, a 14-question tool that works a lot like a book proposal written before the book. It helps writers figure out what the book is and whether it fits their publishing goals. * Actively writing: She edits pages before the call. Then they use the call to talk through the bigger issues. * Finished draft: She does a manuscript review and sends an editorial letter with a punch list for the next revision. I shared how I run my 120-day idea-to-manuscript program and my 60-day program for half-finished drafts. We spend the first 10–15 minutes on mindset, then edit live. If a client shows up without pages, we do a timed writing sprint together. Paying for the session is what gets people to show up and write. The niche dilemma More than half of my clients have a Middle Eastern connection. AI keeps telling me to brand myself that way. But I’ve lived in the US for 21 years, and I don’t want to box myself in. Esther’s advice was that people will find you anyway, even with a narrow niche, if they connect with your voice. And a niche doesn’t have to be about who you are. It can be the part of the process you love most, or the problem you like solving. Her suggestion was to try it for a while and see how it fits. Collecting data instead of failing We both talked about what’s next. Esther is considering group coaching for writers who have lived abroad. I’m launching a 3-day challenge that leads into a private community. It will be free for my paid subscribers here. If it doesn’t work, I’ll have collected data. That’s the same mindset I teach my clients. You don’t have to be Shakespeare. Talent is overrated, and practice is what counts. Find Esther: Look up Write Like an Outsider here on Substack. Thank you to everyone who joined us live. If you’re working on a memoir or trying to finish your book, Esther and I are both here to help. Watch the full conversation above, and leave a comment: should coaches niche down or stay open? Read and Write with Natasha is a reader-supported publication. For $99/year, paid subscribers get lifetime access to $300+ of my courses and masterclasses, a signed copy of my novel (US only), and my full archive. Ready to finish your book? Upgrade to paid. This is a public episode. If you'd like to discuss this with other subscribers or get access to bonus episodes, visit natashatynes.substack.com/subscribe

    Niche Down or Stay Open? A Conversation With Memoir Coach Esther Harder
  4. Sep 17

    Meet Jonathan Jordan: The Six-Figure Ghostwriter

    Recently on the Substack Writer’s Salon, I talked shop with ghostwriter and book coach Jonathan Jordan, founder of Forward Writers and author of Start With Story. I’ve followed his work for years, and I wanted the tactical stuff: what actually moved the needle from scraping together gigs to a six-figure writing business. Full disclosure: I hit that number myself this month. It took me three or four years. It took Jonathan ten. He wants it to take you less. Only about 9% of freelance writers and editors earn $100,000 or more. Most stay stuck hunting for the next client, one gig at a time, never building real momentum. You can watch the whole interview on YouTube as well (please subscribe to my channel; it will really help support my work). What changed for Jonathan 1. He stopped doing it alone.For years he relied on Fiverr, Upwork, and whatever blog work he could find. The breakthrough came in 2019 when a low-paying editing gig for an Ivy League grad program opened his eyes: small presses and publishers need ghostwriters and editors all the time. He started Googling publishers, emailing their contacts, and asking, “Do you have a test I can take?” It was that simple. 2. He treated other writers as colleagues, not competition.On LinkedIn, he skipped the “hire me to write your book” crowd and engaged with people who were educating their audience about writing and publishing. The algorithm did the rest. Now he has an informal LinkedIn club and no fewer than three literary agents who send him work. 3. He built pipelines, then scaled them.Partnerships with publishers and agents replaced client hunting. His advice: don’t depend on one. When the first one stops paying you what you’re worth, move up to the next. 4. He ditched hourly and per-word pricing.Hourly rates are an employee mindset. He prices by estimated word count, timeline, and research scope. Sometimes he gets it wrong. He still comes out ahead. 5. He upsells instead of downselling.When a lead balks at a five-figure ghostwriting quote, he doesn’t slash the price. He starts them with three coaching sessions, gets paid for his time, and lets the project grow into a proposal, a hybrid deal, or a full ghostwriting contract. Where the money comes from * Ghostwriting (business memoir, prescriptive nonfiction for CEOs and founders) is the biggest chunk * Book coaching is second * Developmental editing fills the summer, when ghostwriting deals slow down On LinkedIn He posts once every weekday, no tools, no obsession with going viral. His warning: don’t treat LinkedIn like a vending machine. Post to connect and learn first. Leads follow, but slowly. This year he added an outbound strategy with an agency, and only after his content habit was automatic. He vetted them by messaging their past clients directly. On Substack Free. He killed his paid tier a year ago. Substack is where he gives; people pay him elsewhere. The real timeline Jonathan went full-time in 2022 and beat his day job income that first year. Six figures came the next full calendar year, once the partnerships, networking, and higher rates were all in place. His closing line is gold: no one is going to find you. You have to go find them. Find Jonathan on LinkedIn, at ForWordWriters on Substack, and on YouTube at Forward Writing. Read and Write with Natasha is a free reader-supported publication. For $99/year, paid subscribers get lifetime access to $300+ of my courses and masterclasses, a signed copy of my novel (US only), and my full archive. Ready to finish your book? Upgrade to paid. This is a public episode. If you'd like to discuss this with other subscribers or get access to bonus episodes, visit natashatynes.substack.com/subscribe

    Meet Jonathan Jordan: The Six-Figure Ghostwriter
  5. Sep 7

    What a Seven-Figure Copywriter Told Me About Landing Clients

    I recently sat down with Anjeanette Carter, a Substack bestseller, seven-figure copywriter, and agency owner. She showed up with her Fiverr “over $1 million” trophy (it currently holds up her ring light), and I showed up with the hard questions. Here’s what resonated with me: * Marketplaces still work, but not Fiverr. Anjanette built her first million on Fiverr, but she says the nail is in that coffin due to the advent of AI. Upwork, on the other hand, still has “a lot of gold” and far less competition per job. Don’t sleep on it. * LinkedIn is where the hiring happens. If you’re a freelancer with one channel to focus on, she says make it LinkedIn. Even if a client finds you elsewhere, they’ll check your profile before they hire you. She recommends posting every single day and engaging. No hacks, no automation tools (LinkedIn will ban you), just reps. She went on four vacations this summer and never missed a day. * AI hasn’t changed client acquisition. It’s changed what people pay for. It swept the no-budget clients off the bottom of the market. On LinkedIn, the only shift is more slop, and LinkedIn is now actively penalizing it. Personal stories and things only you could write are what get rewarded. * Nobody pays to hear about your life. When she launched her Substack, she wrote about herself. It didn’t convert. When she pivoted to strategy plus her twice-weekly job board, paid subscriptions took off. She now has nearly 5,900 subscribers and hundreds of paid ones, on about four to five hours a week. Her advice: write less about your work and more about how you get the work. * Substack Lives convert. She says going live is the fastest way to build know, like, and trust, and it’s turned free subscribers into paid ones. * On brand deals: they mostly fell into her lap through LinkedIn DMs. Her new management agency told her they’re landing deals for creators with 7,000 to 8,000 followers, because on B2B LinkedIn, every follower is real. The line I keep thinking about: “How you do one thing is how you do everything.” You can find Anjanette on Substack, where she publishes her job board, The Breadboard, twice a week. Thank you Brian Cleveland, Chris Trammell- On Life Work., and many others for tuning into my live video with Anjeanette Carter! Join me for my next live video in the app. Read and Write with Natasha is a free newsletter. For $99/year, paid subscribers get lifetime access to $300+ of my courses and masterclasses, a signed copy of my novel (US only), and my full archive. Ready to finish your book? Upgrade to paid. This is a public episode. If you'd like to discuss this with other subscribers or get access to bonus episodes, visit natashatynes.substack.com/subscribe

    What a Seven-Figure Copywriter Told Me About Landing Clients
  6. Jul 1

    Build It And They Will Come? The Biggest Lie in Self-Publishing.

    When Dale L. Roberts Roberts joined me live, I told him I felt like I was talking to a celebrity. I’ve been following his YouTube channel — Self-Publishing with Dale — for years. He’s a best-selling author, a self-publishing advocate, and one of the few people online who talks about this business without trying to sell you a fantasy. So when he agreed to come on, I did what any good host does: I asked him the question every indie author is desperate to ask. How do self-published authors actually sell books — and sometimes even outsell the traditional publishers? It starts with the foundation (and most of us skip it) Dale’s first point is simple: before you spend a single dollar, you have to know who your book is for. He told me about the biggest mistake of his early career — writing a fitness book “for everyone.” A friend took off his glasses, looked at him dead-on, and asked: “You mean to tell me you’d give the same exercise advice to a teenager that you’d give to an older adult?” Once you’ve got that, Dale says three things carry the weight: * Your cover has to communicate the genre and grab the right reader. (More on his painful cover story in a second.) * Your description is copywriting, not a summary. It’s “the art of writing for the purpose of a sale.” Don’t write it the way you wrote the inside of your book. Hit the pain points. Give people a reason to click buy. * Your keywords make you discoverable. Use the exact words your ideal reader is typing into search — and now into AI tools too. Put them in your title, subtitle, description, and series name. Just do it tastefully. Nobody wants to read a paragraph of stuffed keywords. The $5 cover vs. the 12-hour cover Back in 2015, Dale had a fitness book selling well with a simple cover he’d bought on Fiverr for five bucks. Sales started dipping, so — in his words — “in my infinite wisdom,” he decided to redesign it himself. He opened GIMP, spent twelve-plus hours building a slick comic-book-style cover (he’s a comic nerd). Friends on Facebook loved it. “You made that?!” He published it. Sales went to zero. He let it ride for a month, got a smattering of sales, then finally admitted: “You’re not a cover designer, Dale. Stop it.” He put the original $5 cover back — and the sales returned. The lesson isn’t “never DIY.” It’s know what your audience expects from your genre, and don’t let your ego override the data. The email list is the whole game If I had to pick the one thread that ran through our entire conversation, it’s this: build an email list. Dale put it plainly — you don’t strictly need a website or social media if you have an email plan. Because the whole point is to take readers off Amazon, Barnes & Noble, and Kobo, and bring them into an ecosystem you actually own. Two more tactics I’m adding to my list: * Newsletter swaps — you promote another author’s deal to your list this week, they promote yours next month. No email addresses change hands. The rising tide raises all boats. * Group promos — a newsletter swap on steroids, where a whole group of authors cross-promotes together. Tools like StoryOrigin and BookFunnel run marketplaces for exactly this. The truth nobody selling a course will tell you I asked Dale about the urban legend: can you actually support yourself and your family full-time as a self-published author? His honest answer: a vast majority of self-published authors don’t make even a part-time living. And he’d know — he lived the cautionary tale himself. He wrote his first fitness book, made about twenty dollars, tasted blood like a shark, and promptly quit a job he loved. The next two years were, in his words, “the worst.” If he could redo it, he’d have kept the job and ramped up slowly. His breakthrough only came after he worked with a coach who told him: do everything I say, no shortcuts, give it six months. He put in 12-to-16-hour days writing and editing, morning to night. In January 2016, it clicked. Three quick things before you go * Segment your list. Dale is pivoting into fiction and — despite having a big email list already — he’s building a separate one, because his self-publishing subscribers didn’t sign up for sci-fi horror. If you write in more than one genre, tag and separate your audiences (Kit makes this easy). A guest in the chat put it perfectly: “I fought segmentation for so long, but it was amazing when I finally did it.” * YouTube and shoppable video work. Deliver a few minutes of real value, then a quick 15–30 second ask — in the video, the description, the end screen, the pinned comment. My own proof: I read the first two paragraphs of Karma Unleashed on a TikTok shop video, said “you can grab it right from here,” and someone bought it on the spot. Exposure is exposure. * The platforms won’t sell for you. Amazon, IngramSpark, KDP — they’re doorways, not salespeople. As Dale said, it’s Field of Dreams in reverse: you can’t just build it and expect them to come. You have to be the biggest cheerleader your book will ever have. Because if you aren’t — who is? Where to find Dale Catch Dale Roberts at selfpub.substack.com and on YouTube, where he’s got over 2,000 videos on self-publishing (not an exaggeration). P.S: For more conversations like this, make sure to check out the Substack Writers Salon, my Substack podcast in which we talk about publishing on Substack, the writing journey, and, of course, books! Keep writing! Natasha Read and Write with Natasha is a reader-supported publication. To receive new posts and support my work, consider becoming a paid subscriber, and you will get lifetime access to some of my courses and paid masterclasses (worth over $300). This is a public episode. If you'd like to discuss this with other subscribers or get access to bonus episodes, visit natashatynes.substack.com/subscribe

    Build It And They Will Come? The Biggest Lie in Self-Publishing.
  7. Jun 24

    The Man Saddam Hussein Kissed

    This week on the Substack Writers Salon, I sat down with Amjad Tadros, four-time Emmy-winning investigative journalist, CBS News’ Middle East producer for over 30 years, and author of the new memoir The Fixer. I won’t give it all away. But I will tell you this: In 1993, Amjad survived a US cruise missile strike on his Baghdad hotel. He was covered in glass, alone, certain he was going to die. A few days later, the door to his hospital ward swung open, lights, cameras, and Saddam Hussein himself. Amjad asked him for a kiss. He got one. And that single photo ended up protecting his career for years. (Saddam even sent him a gift every January 17th after that.) We also got into: * What a “fixer” actually does — and why he never wanted to be called a “producer” * The $24 million in cash he spent in Iraq for CBS, and the 10-meter wall of receipts that became his memoir’s secret weapon * Why being called “fake news” broke his heart enough to finally finish the book * His one line I can’t stop thinking about: “If we don’t write our own history, somebody else will write it for us.” It’s a conversation about war, truth-telling, and what it costs to be the person standing between two worlds. You can follow the full conversation in the video above. 📖 Get The Fixer on Amazon.✍️ And follow Amjad Tadros. He just joined Substack. Give him a warm welcome. Read and Write with Natasha is a reader-supported publication. To receive new posts and support my work, consider becoming a paid subscriber, and you will get lifetime access to some of my courses and paid masterclasses (worth over $300). This is a public episode. If you'd like to discuss this with other subscribers or get access to bonus episodes, visit natashatynes.substack.com/subscribe

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