What does it really take to build a career in corporate sustainability and sustainable finance in 2025? In this episode, Maria Maisuradze, Founder of ED4S, sits down with Nawar Alsaadi, Co-Founder of Kanata Q, for a candid, no-nonsense conversation about the realities behind ESG roles—beyond the buzzwords and glossy reports. Drawing on experiences across startups, NGOs, and institutional environments, Nawar shares how sustainability careers rarely follow a straight line—and why that's often a strength rather than a weakness. Together, Maria and Nawar unpack whether a "typical" sustainability career path even exists, where professionals are entering the field from today, and how motivations shape success. From ESG idealists driven by impact, to ESG capitalists focused on value creation, to the increasingly influential ESG agnostic. each mindset plays a role in shaping the field. The conversation dives into the day-to-day reality of sustainability roles: building a credible business case, setting meaningful KPIs, managing reporting pressures, driving internal buy-in, and balancing ambition with organizational constraints. Maria and Nawar also explore how the ESG space is evolving in 2025; from a compliance-heavy focus toward strategic value creation and decision-making. Finally, they offer practical advice for those looking to break into sustainability—or for professionals already in the field seeking clarity, resilience, and long-term impact as sustainability leaders within their organizations. In this episode of Sustainability in Motion, Maria Maisuradze, Founder of ED4S, interviews Minav Patel, Engineering Manager at Amazon, to explore the environmental impact of AI. They discuss concepts like Green AI and Red AI to highlight different approaches to AI usage and their environmental consequences. The conversation unpacks key ideas such as "Green in AI" versus "Green by AI", covering practical strategies from right-sizing models to optimizing infrastructure for energy efficiency. Minav shares hands-on tools and approaches that employees and leaders can use to reduce AI's environmental footprint and raise awareness within their organizations. This episode is designed to help teams build scalable sustainability capacity, embedding energy-efficient AI practices into everyday work. About ED4S ED4S delivers customizable sustainability workforce training, simulation-based learning, and corporate sustainability programs tailored for financial institutions. Our practical, scalable solutions ensure teams can act confidently on sustainability insights while reducing operational and reputational risk. Services Include: Role-specific eLearning modules Simulation-based training for client-facing teams Technology and Green AI training Live workshops and toolkits Continuous content updates and compliance assurance ED4S empowers organizations to embed sustainability across their workforce and transform sustainability literacy into measurable business value. To learn more: https://www.ed4s.org/