Talking about Coaching & Psychedelics

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Does what it says on the tin: We're talking with leading practitioners about the meeting points between coaching and psychedelics, how they can work together to help clients achieve growth, insight, learning and personal or professional development. We've recognized that beyond the power of psychedelics to be used for healing, fixing and the treatment of disorder, disease and suffering, there is a space for coaching, but nobody is talking about it, which we believe to be at best unproductive, and at worst dangerous for clients. That's why in this podcast we explore best practice, introduce integration methodologies, discuss ethical issues, and generally share resources, knowledge and experiences, as well as raising questions, concerns and awareness. Our mission is to take important conversations into the public domain so that established coaches can maintain or expand professional standards, new coaches curious about this work have access to important questions and information, and clients who may be seeing a coach to assist their psychedelic journey learn what coaching in this field might entail. We work to help keep clients safe and inspire coaches to deliver the best work they can in this powerful but very much emerging new field. 

  1. Aug 7

    #23 Talking about Coaching & Psychedelics with David Drapkin

    In this episode, Yannick Jacob and David Drapkin explore the intersection of coaching, psychedelics, and human connection. They discuss how traditional boundaries are shifting, the importance of self-awareness, and the skills needed for safe and effective practice in this evolving space, as well as the critical aspects of working with psychedelics, including safety, screening, and the role of coaches and clinicians, how to prepare clients, manage expectations, and ensure ethical practice in this complex field. David Drapkin, MSW, is a social worker, clinical psychotherapist and supervisor, and educator specializing in psychedelic therapy, integrative wellness, and clinical AI. David previously worked at Mount Sinai Hospital, Hackensack Meridian Health, Englewood Health, Forge Health, and Psychedelics Today / Vital. David is the Head of Education at Pink Elephant, a venture builder and early-stage partner focused on digital health, mental wellbeing and emerging therapeutic models. He is also the Executive Director of their education company Mirari. David has hosted over 100 podcasts, webinars and conference panels and facilitated over 200 educational sessions - mostly on psychedelic-related topics. He has previously hosted podcasts for Psychedelics Today, The Healing Mindset, and U-PEP (University Psychedelic Education Program), he is also the host of the MarpaMinds YouTube channel. David is currently the Clinical AI Architect for the EverKind emotional wellness platform, and the co-founder of Mind Shift Collective, a global community of founders and leaders in the psychedelic industry. David has a private psychotherapy practice where he sees clients remotely and in-person. Get 10% off our psychedelics foundation program with promo code YANNICK10 at https://mirari.academy/foundation/ Chapters 00:00 Introduction to the conversation on coaching and psychedelics 04:10 Societal over-medicalization and the human experience 08:30 The influence of psychedelics on self-awareness and authenticity 12:21 Parenthood, relationships, and life challenges 16:44 The early use of psychedelics and self-exploration 20:56 The role of coaching in expanding awareness 26:15 The embodied and relational aspects of coaching 27:43 Inner work and self-awareness for practitioners 29:42 Regulation, safety, and scope of practice in coaching 32:30 The power of questions and next steps in coaching 34:30 Wisdom from Zen and Tibetan Buddhism in coaching 36:58 The importance of flexible, intuitive approaches 38:46 Understanding identity formation and scaffolding 41:14 Normalizing trauma and human experience 43:01 Risks and safety in psychedelic coaching 44:47 Recognizing destabilization and limits in practice 48:52 Life changes and risk factors for mental health 50:27 Partnership, responsibility, and informed consent 52:40 The importance of regular, long-term engagement 54:02 The role of questions and curiosity in coaching Keywords coaching, psychedelics, human connection, mental health, therapy, training, non-dual, emotional awareness, safety, practice psychedelic safety, coaching psychedelics, screening, mental health, integration, legal risks, professional scope, psychedelics training, trauma, neuroplasticity _____________________ Full show notes available at https://docs.google.com/document/d/18Dlsa-vjB5JYNIrX3M-jtBXWrKTYzcMw/edit?usp=sharing&ouid=109895759738771655249&rtpof=true&sd=true _____________________ Mailing list: Stay up to date with the latest episodes by signing up at http://bit.ly/CoachingAndPsychedelicsMailingList  If you know a coach who is (thinking about) offering their services in the psychedelic space, or if you have a friend who is thinking about hiring a coach to support them on their psychedelic journey, why not let them know about this podcast? The more we share, the more we learn! Join the conversation by leaving a comment, emailing us directly at coachingandpsychedelics@gmail.com, or by joining our WhatsApp group at https://chat.whatsapp.com/FEFM4T8w3UX3hN1A5dYKlY   And if you’d like to support what we do so we can have more of these conversations and more frequently, you can help us by giving us a shoutout on social media, rating the podcast on your favourite platform, or talking to us about sponsoring a future episode with a donation. But most of all, you can help by being the best possible coach for your clients. The generative impact that this work has on people, communities, and the world, lights up our minds and hearts with meaning.

    #23 Talking about Coaching & Psychedelics with David Drapkin

  2. Feb 5

    #22 Christopher Kabakis - Co-founder of Evolute Institute

    In this episode we’re talking to Christopher Kabakis about coaching & psychedelics. Christopher is co-founder of the Evolute Institute for Inner Development, an interdisciplinary organization dedicated to cultivating inner capacities for leadership and personal growth through modalities such as breathwork, meditation, somatic practices, and immersive retreat programs. He designs and facilitating the personal development programs for entrepreneurs, changemakers and leaders at Evolute and coaches people individually on personal, professional and leadership matters. - He has been training in Integrative Somatic Process (ISP at the Holloman Institute), in HAKOMI (a mindfulness-based body-oriented form of psychotherapy), in trauma-informed process work as part of the Timeless Wisdom Training (Thomas Hübl) and in Somatic Experiencing (Peter Levine). - Previously, Christopher obtained a Masters Degree in Business and Economics from WHU (Otto Beisheim Graduate School of Management), lived and worked in Sweden, Italy, Spain and Japan and did Ph.D.-level studies at HEC Montreal, Canada. - He is Affiliate Professor at ESCP Europe Business School and teaches at several Master and Executive Programs (EMBA, EMDIEL, MSIE, MIM, MISM…). - His great interest lies in integrating different ASC modalities and especially certain forms of embodied mindfulness and somatics into his coaching and process work – all in the service of promoting integration, growth and deep, lasting change in his clients. To check out the Evolute Institute and their retreats, go to https://evolute-institute.com/ ___________________________ Show notes 03:11 The Role of Psychedelics in Coaching 09:07 Personal Experiences with Psychedelics 12:10 The Impact of Psychedelics on Personal Development 15:11 Integrating Psychedelics into Coaching Practices 18:04 Navigating Intentions in Psychedelic Experiences 21:01 Creating Safe Spaces for Psychedelic Work 24:08 The Importance of Intentions 27:19 Preparation 29:53 The Balance of Intention and Surrender 33:03 Self-Regulation and Resistance 40:34 Psychoeducation and Self-Regulation 41:22 Facilitation vs. Guidance in Preparation 42:11 Best Practice for Sharing Circles 44:23 Navigating Post-Experience 50:38 Screening Protocols 54:01 Ecstatic Experiences and Integration 59:20 The Use of Psychedelics in Organizational Contexts 01:08:31 The Importance of Client Commitment 01:11:27 Holding Space for Difficult Emotions 01:23:24 "Quick" Fire Questions _______ Mailing list: Stay up to date with the latest episodes by signing up at http://bit.ly/CoachingAndPsychedelicsMailingList  If you know a coach who is (thinking about) offering their services in the psychedelic space, or if you have a friend who is thinking about hiring a coach to support them on their psychedelic journey, why not let them know about this podcast? The more we share, the more we learn! Join the conversation by leaving a comment, emailing us directly at coachingandpsychedelics@gmail.com, or by joining our WhatsApp group at https://chat.whatsapp.com/FEFM4T8w3UX3hN1A5dYKlY  And if you’d like to support what we do so we can have more of these conversations and more frequently, you can help us by giving us a shoutout on social media, rating the podcast on your favorite platform, or talking to us about sponsoring a future episode with a donation. But most of all, you can help by being the best possible coach for your clients. The generative impact that this work has on people, communities, and the world, lights up our minds and hearts with meaning.

    #22 Christopher Kabakis - Co-founder of Evolute Institute

  3. 03/05/2025

    #21 Danielle Nova - Transformational Guide, Co-Founder of Flow State & Microdosing Facilitator Training

    In this episode we’re talking to Danielle Nova about coaching & psychedelics.  Danielle Nova is the visionary Co-Founder of Flow State and the Microdosing Facilitator Training, Founder of Psychedelic Recovery, and Executive Director of the San Francisco Psychedelic Society. Danielle is recognized for her expertise in addiction recovery, microdosing, and guiding spiritual transformation. Danielle has made a significant global impact by creating and delivering psychedelic educational programs, integration groups and addiction recovery services to over 25K individuals worldwide. Danielle and her team of psychedelic experts and researchers train clinicians and practitioners how to become certified microdosing facilitators. Danielle’s company Flow State is beginning to conduct one of the first microdosing research studies in the world. Danielle has spearheaded international plant medicine retreats, working in partnership with indigenous leaders from South America. Danielle was instrumental in co-founding Decriminalize Nature Oakland, which passed the first resolution in the United States to deprioritize all entheogenic plants and fungi. Featured in esteemed outlets such as CBS News and the MAPS Psychedelic Science Conference, Danielle is a trailblazer in psychedelic training, advocacy and addiction treatment. Connect with her work: www.flowstatenow.com, www.psychedelicsocietysf.org, www.psychedelicrecovery.org _______ Show notes 00:00 Introduction to Coaching and Psychedelics 05:59 Understanding Microdosing and Coaching 12:12 Methodologies and Frameworks in Coaching 17:56 The Intersection of Coaching and Therapy 23:49 Different Substances and Their Applications 34:41 Exploring Microdosing and Coaching Synergy 42:57 Safety and Risks of Microdosing 52:55 Legal Landscape of Microdosing 01:02:31 Ethical Considerations in Coaching and Microdosing 01:08:07 Navigating the Intake Process 01:14:07 The Coaching Process with Microdosing 01:19:50 Understanding Individual Responses to Microdosing 01:27:13 Perspectives on Psychedelics and Coaching 01:36:02 The Need for Regulation in Coaching _______ Stay up to date with the latest episodes by joining our mailing list:  https://rocketsupervision.com/coaching-psychedelics-mailing-list/

    #21 Danielle Nova - Transformational Guide, Co-Founder of Flow State & Microdosing Facilitator Training

  4. 09/12/2024

    #20 - The Psychedelics-Integration.com Team

    In this episode we’re talking to the Co-founder and CEO of www.psychedelics-integration.com, Andres Rose, as well as two of the platform’s lead practitioners, coach Vismay Agrawal and therapist David Londoño, about coaching & psychedelics.  Andres Rose, originally from Uruguay, is the Co-founder and CEO of psychedelics-integration.com. He moved to Germany six years ago in search of a new life, pursuing a career, independence, and fulfillment. A highly goal-oriented individual with a background in business and startups, he also has a personal interest in psychology, history, and philosophy. Despite his achievements, including a German Master’s degree and extensive travel, he felt empty and struggled with anxiety and mild depression. His journey towards self-discovery began with his first psychedelic experience with LSD, which offered new perspectives but didn't resolve his issues. Skeptical of therapy, he explored more psychedelic experiences, leading him to an Ayahuasca retreat in Northern Europe. His first Ayahuasca experience was profound, providing insights through metaphors that required careful interpretation. This journey marked a significant step in Andres's pursuit of personal development and self-understanding. Now, he is eager to help others navigate the challenging path of finding clear and trustworthy support in the world of psychedelics. https://www.psychedelics-integration.com/post/who-are-we-1/  David Londoño is a Colombian psychologist, psychotherapist, and integration specialist with 20 years of experience in traditional Indigenous medicines. He lived in the Peruvian Amazon for six years as part of his training to deepen his knowledge of psychotherapy, traditional medicine, and the bridge between the two. He has coordinated therapeutic teams in treatment centers that work with master plants and has trained staff in integration practices. As part of the ICEERS team, he coordinates the Support Center that offers integration sessions to people from across the world who have challenging psychedelic experiences. He also teaches courses on integration, ethics, safety, and good practice in the therapeutic application of master plants in non-traditional contexts. https://www.psychedelics-integration.com/coach/david-londono/  Vismay Agrawal is an australian-based psychedelic coach who has facilitated over 60 one-on-one private guided psychedelic retreats and has worked with the Synthesis Institute and Psychedelic Insights, renowned providers of psilocybin retreats in the Netherlands. He has explored altered states of consciousness through experiences with various psychedelics, including psilocybin, 5-MeO-DMT, ayahuasca, DMT, MDMA, salvia, and ketamine. Additionally, he is a mindfulness coach with over 2,000 hours of personal meditation practice, guiding hundreds of clients on their mindfulness journeys. Vismay is also pursuing doctoral research at the Monash Centre for Consciousness and Contemplative Studies, focusing on understanding suffering and its underlying causal mechanisms. His interdisciplinary research integrates insights from contemplative traditions, cognitive neuroscience, psychedelic studies, and psychology to deepen the understanding of suffering and its alleviation. Through his diverse experiences, Vismay has realized that psychedelics are not magical pills for instant healing. While they may offer profound insights in a controlled setting, enduring changes only come with integrating these insights into daily life. https://www.psychedelics-integration.com/coach/vismay-agrawal/  _______ Show notes available at https://docs.google.com/document/d/1SmTr4pZ0gcT6RogxRoo19338WLmqJLTyNnP-E3WcS1Q/edit?usp=sharing _______ Stay up to date with the latest episodes by joining our mailing list:  https://rocketsupervision.com/coaching-psychedelics-mailing-list/

    #20 - The Psychedelics-Integration.com Team

  5. 05/09/2024

    #19 Andrew Rose - Psychedelic educator, and integration coach

    In this episode we’re talking to Andrew Rose about coaching & psychedelics.  Andrew Rose is a psychedelic educator, harm reduction and integration coach, certified mindfulness teacher, writer, strategist and consultant. He is currently the SVP of Operations at Fluence [https://www.fluencetraining.com], where he also serves as a trainer and mentor. Andrew is also a co-director of Plant Parenthood [https://www.plantph.com], a community organization supporting parents and families who are interested the intersection of intentional psychedelic use, parenting, and family life. Previously, he established the Psychedelic Harm Reduction and Integration program at Mindspace in 2019, and was the Director of Programming at Numinus from 2020-2021. Andrew has been practicing meditation since 2002, having studied mainly in the Tibetan Buddhist tradition before becoming interested in the clinical applications of mindfulness. He completed his training in Mindfulness-Based Stress Reduction with the Centre for Mindfulness Studies in 2018 and has been educating clinicians, therapists and the general public about psychedelics and their therapeutic applications since 2017. He completed MAPS’s MDMA Therapy for PTSD training program in 2021, and continues to see individual clients as a psychedelic integration coach and mindfulness teacher. Andrew in equally inspired by evidence-based and esoteric practices for healing and connection. He continues to draw inspiration from various Buddhist lineages—including Tibetan, Theravada and contemporary pragmatic dharma—as well as Internal Family Systems, attachment theory and mythopoetics. Andrew is passionate about furthering our collective understanding of what wellbeing really means, and how it can be effectively and sustainably practiced, communicated, and scaled for the benefit of all beings. https://www.fluencetraining.com https://www.plantph.com _______ Show notes available at https://docs.google.com/document/d/1uFUM6NSMuVC9mRjO5T1b4mXKTqekDyy846m3JShC-gY/edit?usp=sharing _______ Stay up to date with the latest episodes by joining our mailing list:  https://rocketsupervision.com/coaching-psychedelics-mailing-list/

    #19 Andrew Rose - Psychedelic educator, and integration coach

  6. 02/29/2024

    #18 Katja Wallisch - Transformation Coach & Mentor, New Paradigm Leadership Advisor

    In this episode we’re talking to Katja Wallisch about coaching & psychedelics.  Katja is a transformation coach & mentor. After over a decade in a brand marketing & communications management career her personal journey led her to plant medicine and personal development. She has spent a few months as a spiritual hermit learning from a shaman in Mexico. Besides her coaching & advisory work she supports individuals with plant medicine preparation, guidance and psychedelic integration. She is a huge advocate of intentionality and integration when it comes to working with plant allies. Katja is a corporate dropout who left Berlin city life and moved to the jungle at the Riviera Maya. An unconventional and visionary mind who has guided countless individuals on their journey of self-discovery, empowering them to unlock their full potential for more positive impact. She works with high level executives, entrepreneurs and rebel-with-a-cause organisations to enable transformation on a personal, business or systems level using consciousness & spiritual technology and a new paradigm leadership approach. Her work explores the intricate realms of personal growth, spirituality, and innovation. In addition to their coaching and mentoring, Katja is a thought leader in the field of transformative experience design and shares her wisdom as a university guest lecturer. She curates and facilitates intentional 1:1 and group retreats as part of her immersive coaching offering. https://katjawallisch.com https://www.instagram.com/katjawallisch/ https://m.facebook.com/katja.wallisch https://www.linkedin.com/in/katjawallisch/ _______ Show notes available at https://docs.google.com/document/d/1HY3aeqZYYcgVQZ9tzxTBVgXwuERMYkmQDkL9MnX3Wdg _______ Stay up to date with the latest episodes by joining our mailing list:  https://rocketsupervision.com/coaching-psychedelics-mailing-list/

    #18 Katja Wallisch - Transformation Coach & Mentor, New Paradigm Leadership Advisor

  7. 11/16/2023

    #17 The 'White Paper' Episode - Yannick Jacob, Nigel Pedlingham & Marcel Braun

    In this episode we’re talking to Marcel Braun and Nigel Pedlingham about coaching & psychedelics. Our host Yannick, Marcel and Nigel have been writing the academic white paper on Coaching and Psychedelics and so Julia offered to interview us so that we may lay out our argument in an arguably somewhat more engaging way and offer a behind-the-scenes look into 4 years of developing this important piece of work.  _______ NIGEL PEDLINGHAM is a change maker and social justice advocate, a consciousness guide, ceremony leader and psychedelic facilitator, as well as being a loving husband and father. He is the founder of MAGUEY, a practice for healing and growth based in Amsterdam. He is also the chair of the Guide of Guides Netherlands, and a lover of nature, stillness, and the unknown. A modern mystic in the making, Nigel brings a unique blend of experience to service, formed from 50 years of a well trodden path. To connect with Nigel and understand his work in the psychedelic space please see here, connect with him via LinkedIn, or follow him on Instagram. MARCEL BRAUN has a B.Sc. degree in Psychology and is currently graduating in his master studies at University of Trier. His study-related interests focus on deep psychological / existential learning states and their context-relatedness, as well as their integration into self and society. For several years now, he has been studying psychedelics as one important tool to access such deep learning states. Hereby he establishes self-experiential rooms of deep psychological learning, using also non-psychedelic methods (meditation, breathwork, inquiry, circling) as well as counselling preparation and integration of psychedelic experiences. YANNICK JACOB is a Coach, Trainer & Supervisor with Masters degrees in Existential Coaching and Applied Positive Psychology. He teaches coaching at Cambridge University and coaching supervision at the International Centre for Coaching Supervision, and he’s the Course Director of the School of Positive Transformation’s Accredited Certificate in Integrative Coaching, for which he gathered many of the world’s most influential coaches and earliest pioneers. Formerly Programme Leader of the MSc Coaching Psychology at the University of East London, Yannick now presents at conferences internationally and his book, An Introduction to Existential Coaching, was published by Routledge. Committed to helping other coaches be the best coaches they can be, Yannick founded and hosts Yannick’s Coaching Lab which gives novice and seasoned coaches an opportunity to witness experienced coaches live in action, and he is the host of Animas Centre for Coaching's popular podcast Coaching Uncaged, as well as his own podcasts Talking about Coaching and Talking about Coaching and Psychedelics. _______ Show notes available at https://docs.google.com/document/d/1HY3aeqZYYcgVQZ9tzxTBVgXwuERMYkmQDkL9MnX3Wdg _______ Stay up to date with the latest episodes by joining our mailing list: http://bit.ly/CoachingAndPsychedelicsMailingList If you know a coach who is (thinking about) offering t

    #17 The 'White Paper' Episode - Yannick Jacob, Nigel Pedlingham & Marcel Braun

  8. 08/20/2023

    #16 Fernando Hettiyadura - ICF Master Certified Coach, Multidisciplinary Therapist, Serial Entrepreneur

    In this episode we’re talking to Fernando Hettiyadura about coaching & psychedelics.  Fernando Hettiyadura is the founder of Ignite Global, Evolving Temple, and Awaken Mind Guide - a group of organizations dedicated for Healing and Mind Development on a global scale. Fernando combines his expertise as a Multidisciplinary Therapist, Master Certified Coach (ICF) with experience over 18 years in creating breakthroughs in transforming lives and organizations. All his transformational interventions are holistic and heart-based, and he also combines powerful, yet uncommon practices such as Integration of Psychedelics and Buddhist Meditation Practice with a modern twist in delivering impact. _______ Show notes available at https://docs.google.com/document/d/1QMASjCWH4FUQQQ4zvWIscBiumMwPFBnpQ7Vb8ZdHVZo _______ Stay up to date with the latest episodes by joining our mailing list: http://bit.ly/CoachingAndPsychedelicsMailingList  If you know a coach who is (thinking about) offering their services in the psychedelic space, or if you have a friend who is thinking about hiring a coach to support them on their psychedelic journey, why not let them know about this podcast? The more we share, the more we learn! You can join the conversation by leaving a comment, emailing us directly at coachingandpsychedelics@gmail.com, or by joining our Facebook group: https://www.facebook.com/groups/coachingandpsychedelics. We’d love to hear from you.  The Interest Group Coaching & Psychedelics runs monthly open drop-in sessions every 1st Thursday of the month at 6pm UK time at https://us02web.zoom.us/j/89465629471?pwd=UTNKenZ0b3ZGU0ZhVTk5TGo5c0xXQT09 Join our Facebook group at https://www.facebook.com/groups/talkingaboutcoaching And if you’d like to support what we do so we can have more of these conversations and more frequently, you can help us by giving us a shoutout on social media, rating the podcast on your favourite platform, or supporting us on Patreon: https://www.patreon.com/talkingaboutcoaching

    #16 Fernando Hettiyadura - ICF Master Certified Coach, Multidisciplinary Therapist, Serial Entrepreneur
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Does what it says on the tin: We're talking with leading practitioners about the meeting points between coaching and psychedelics, how they can work together to help clients achieve growth, insight, learning and personal or professional development. We've recognized that beyond the power of psychedelics to be used for healing, fixing and the treatment of disorder, disease and suffering, there is a space for coaching, but nobody is talking about it, which we believe to be at best unproductive, and at worst dangerous for clients. That's why in this podcast we explore best practice, introduce integration methodologies, discuss ethical issues, and generally share resources, knowledge and experiences, as well as raising questions, concerns and awareness. Our mission is to take important conversations into the public domain so that established coaches can maintain or expand professional standards, new coaches curious about this work have access to important questions and information, and clients who may be seeing a coach to assist their psychedelic journey learn what coaching in this field might entail. We work to help keep clients safe and inspire coaches to deliver the best work they can in this powerful but very much emerging new field. 

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