Talking Conservation

Stephen Boniface and Rich Alesbury

Welcome to Talking Conservation, where we talk about all things related to our built heritage. Whether you own an historic building, are responsible for a heritage site, or are a professional consultant, contractor, or simply interested - this is the place to find out more. We discuss various matters and conduct interviews with a wide range of people involved with our heritage in some way. This includes architects, surveyors, archaeologists, conservation officers, contractors, conservators, historians ... the list goes on. We are interested in and talk about any aspect of heritage; not only listed buildings, but all older and traditionally constructed buildings and anything that could be considered a heritage site. Stephen's Heritage Conservation Community information can be found here: https://beconservation.com/heritage-conservation-community Rich's platform putting owners in touch with consultants can be found here: https://expertible.com/

  1. APR 24

    Why Timber Rots in Old Buildings (and how to stop it)

    Why does timber rot, and what actually causes wood to decay in old buildings?In this second episode of our Talking Conservation timber series, Rich and Stephen dig into the real reasons timber rots, and why it is not simply a case of “old wood going bad”. We explore the role of moisture, fungal growth, ventilation, drying, and environment, and explain why understanding these basics is essential before you can diagnose or fix any timber problem properly. We also look at how moisture meters work, why they can be useful, how they can be misleading in the wrong hands, and what early warning signs to look for if you are worried about rot in your building. If you own, manage, or work on an older building, this episode will help you understand why timber decays, how to spot the conditions that allow rot to thrive, and what practical steps can help prevent it in the first place. In this episode, we cover: - Why timber rots in old buildings - How moisture meters work, and how to interpret them properly - Why timber moisture content matters - The four conditions fungi need to grow - Why rot is about environment, not just age - Ventilation myths and the importance of airflow - Why forced drying can sometimes make things worse - The word “Breathability” (Rich’s pet hate), hygroscopicity, vapour permeability and capillarity - Early warning signs of timber decay - Why understanding moisture paths is key to prevention - This episode sets up the next part of the timber series, where we will look in more detail at wet rot, dry rot, soft rot, misdiagnosis, and chemical treatment. Listen to the rest of the timber series: Episode 1, How Timber Works in Old Buildings Episode 3, Wet Rot vs Dry Rot, What’s the Real Difference? coming soon Talking Conservation is the podcast all about the conservation of old, traditional, and historic buildings and sites. Don’t forget to like the podcast, subscribe to the channel, and hit the notification bell so you don’t miss the rest of the timber series. Useful links Expertible, book a 1:1 call with an independent expert: https://www.expertible.com Stephen’s conservation training and CPD: https://www.beconservation.com https://www.thebesttraining.co.uk Timestamps: 00:00 Music intro. 00:04 Intro to subject, why does wood rot? 02:16 Moisture meters, to use or not to use? 15:21 Moisture danger zones. 17:52 What fungi need to grow. 21:39 Expertible 22:22 The rapid spread of rot, myth or not? 25:19 The spores are omnipresent, should we be worried? 25:37 Is ventilation the ‘silver bullet’? 30:01 The physics of drying: stage 1 and stage 2. 33:56 ‘Breathability’, a term that gives Rich the ‘ick’! 36:43 What to look out for; signs of rotting timber. 44:18 BE Conservation 45:00 Finding concealed rot by probing and micro-drilling. 49:23 Can I analyse timber rot for myself? 50:30 Can dogs smell out rot? 53:10 Review of episode. 55:20 The importance of maintenance and understanding your building. 56:45 Episode wrap up and teaser for next episode. 58:31 Outro music.

    59 min
  2. APR 12

    How Timber works in Old Buildings

    What actually is timber, and why is it such an important material in old buildings?In this first episode of our new Talking Conservation timber series, Rich and Stephen go right back to basics to explain how timber works, where it comes from, and why understanding it is essential before diagnosing any problems in historic buildings.From how trees grow, to the difference between heartwood and sapwood, to how timber is converted and used in buildings, this episode lays the foundation for everything that follows in the series.If you own, work on, or are interested in older buildings, understanding timber at this level will help you make better decisions when it comes to decay, repairs, and long-term performance.🎙️ In this episode, we cover:How trees grow and how timber is formedThe structure of timber (heartwood, sapwood and growth rings)What timber is made of and why it behaves differently to other materialsHow timber is converted from tree to usable building materialWhy timber is found in almost every part of an old buildingHow timber has been used historically (oak, softwood and changing practices)An introduction to dendrochronology and dating buildings using timberChapters00:00 Intro music.00:04 Welcome and intro to series.00:37 Is timber ubiquitous in historic buildings?03:52 How long timber can last.05:16 What is timber?06:13 What we will cover in this series.07:11 Understanding timber – what it is and the life cycle of trees.10:56 What is wood?15:40 Heartwood and Sapwood.17:06 Expertible Ad17:49 Dendrochronology.22:23 Hardwood and softwood.25:20 The importance of grain direction.28:42 Converting wood to timber – box heart.30:19 Chamfering edges.33:22 Converting wood to timber – drying.35:50 BE Conservation Ad36:32 Green, air dried and kiln dried Oak.41:28 Other timber species and brief history of use of different timber species.45:45 The use of finishes and paints.47:10 Architectural history and timber usage.47:44 Was dry rot imported?48:18 Introducing timber failure.49:28 Is historic timber better than modern?52:27 How design affects timber performance.53:14 Next episode teaser.54:09 Closing remarks.54:32 Closing music.🔜 Coming up in the timber series:Why timber rots (and how to stop it)Wet rot vs dry rotWoodworm and insect attackTimber repairs and when to replaceStructural movement in timber framesRoofs, floors, windows and common failure pointsInsulation and retrofit mistakes🎧 Talking ConservationTalking Conservation explores historic buildings, materials and defects through practical experience, expert insight and real-world examples.🔔 Subscribe and turn on notifications so you don’t miss the rest of the timber series.💬 Got a question about timber in your building? Leave it in the comments, we read every one.🔗 Useful linksExpertible (book a 1:1 call with an independent expert):https://www.expertible.comStephen’s conservation training and CPD:https://www.beconservation.comhttps://www.thebesttraining.co.uk/#TalkingConservation #Timber #HistoricBuildings #BuildingConservation #OldHouses #HeritageBuildings

    55 min
  3. FEB 6

    Listed Building Myths that can get you into serious trouble | Part 2

    What happens if you rely on a builder’s advice, skip consent, or try to “fix it later” on a listed building?In this second myth-busting episode, we unpack the real legal risks of getting listed building works wrong. Joined again by conservation architect Claire Truman, Stephen and Rich explore some of the most dangerous misconceptions homeowners have about listed buildings, planning consent, and enforcement. From criminal liability and prosecution to enforcement notices that follow properties for decades, this episode explains why “asking forgiveness later” is rarely a safe strategy. We cover: - Who is legally responsible for unauthorised listed building works - Why builders, owners, and professionals can all be liable - The difference between prosecution and enforcement - Why listed building breaches don’t “time out” - What happens when you buy a listed building with historic unauthorised works - Whether using “traditional materials” avoids the need for consent - Common traps around insulation, kitchens, bathrooms, and services - How poor applications and missing information cause delays and refusals - This episode is essential listening for homeowners, buyers, professionals, or anyone responsible for work to a listed or historic building. 00:00 Intro 00:35 The quality of applications and some tips for making applications 04:02 Extensions of time and tracking an application 05:40 Withdrawing an application and re-submission – pros and cons 06:36 Experiences of applications – Rich and Claire 09:45 LPOC lobbying for simplifying some aspects of the process and Stephen’s experience 10:47 DBAs (Desk based archaeological assessments), NPPF (National Planning Policy Framework) and HER (Historic Environment Register) 12:26 MYTH “My builder said it was fine to do this, so surely it must be”- prosecution and enforcement 19:27 Working with builders 22:47 MYTH – it is easier to ask for forgiveness than get permission 27:57 Rebuilding properties and cultural significance 31:43 MYTH – if I use traditional materials, I don’t need consent 35:02 Opening up – to do or not to do? 37:46 Dealing with conditions attached to planning 41:09 What does ‘traditional material’ mean? 44:40 Question regarding roof insulation 50:17 Question regarding repainting in a different colour 53:23 Question regarding re-fitting kitchens and bathrooms, wiring, and pipework 55:05 Thanks to Claire and Claire’s contact details 55:52 Final thoughts 58:53 Music outro 🔔 Subscribe for moreWe release practical, expert-led episodes on: - Listed buildings & planning law - Lime, timber, damp & traditional materials - Avoiding costly mistakes in older homes 💬 Have a question about your building or a topic you’d like us to cover? Leave a comment, we read every one. 👉 Link to Planning Portal, as mentioned in the video, https://www.planningportal.co.ukuse the search facility to find specific information. 👉 Learn more about Claire Truman and her conservation architecture practice: https://heritagerevival.uk/ 👉 Our guest conservation architect expert, Claire, is available for impartial 1-1 video advice on Expertible, just search in the Regulatory Section here: https://expertible.com 👉 Professionals involved in working on or with historic, traditional, or listed buildings may want 1-1 mentoring and/or training with Stephen. Visit his website at https://www.beconservation.com

    59 min
  4. JAN 30

    What CAN you do to a Listed Building? Part 1

    What can you actually do to a listed building?In this episode of Talking Conservation, we cut through the confusion, myths, and half-truths that surround listed buildings and planning consent. Joined by conservation architect Claire Truman, we explore what homeowners are often told they can’t do, versus what the legislation and real-world practice actually allow. Drawing on professional experience and real case studies, this conversation is about empowerment, understanding the system, and knowing where to get the right help. We discuss:• Common myths about listed buildings and consent• What changes usually do and don’t need permission• How planning and conservation officers think about alterations• When to seek professional advice and how to avoid costly mistakes• Where flexibility exists within the rules This episode is ideal for owners of listed or historic buildings, prospective buyers, and professionals working with older properties. About our guestClaire Truman is a conservation architect and an independent expert available for impartial advice via Expertible. 🔔 Subscribe and hit the notification bell so you don’t miss future episodes, including upcoming myth-busting and themed mini-series.💬 Have a question about your building or a topic you’d like us to cover? Leave a comment, we read every one.👉 Learn more about Claire Truman and her conservation architecture practice: https://heritagerevival.uk/👉 Our guest conservation architect expert, Claire, is available for impartial 1-1 video advice on Expertible, just search in the Regulatory Section here: https://expertible.com👉 Professionals involved in working on or with historic, traditional, or listed buildings may want 1-1 mentoring and/or training with Stephen. Visit his website at https://www.beconservation.com

    43 min
  5. 09/26/2025

    Lime Plaster Ceiling Repair for Old Homes | Decorative Cornice & Moulding Restoration Tips

    In this final episode of our Lime Series, we’re joined once again by master plasterer Sean Wheatley to explore the finer details of working with lime plaster on ceilings, restoring decorative cornices, and repairing historic mouldings in older UK homes.We cover:How to approach lime plaster ceiling repairs safely and effectivelyWhy cornices and ceiling roses matter for character and breathabilityCommon causes of ceiling failure in older buildingsRepairing and replacing traditional decorative plasterworkReal-world tips from decades of experience working on Victorian and Edwardian homesHow to blend new and original plaster seamlesslyWhether you're dealing with sagging ceilings, cracked cornices, or missing mouldings, this episode will help you understand what to do — and what to avoid — when working with lime plaster in period properties.🔔 Subscribe to our channel for expert advice on maintaining and restoring older homes📣 This wraps up our series on lime — next, we’re diving into a whole new theme. Hit the bell to be notified when the next series goes live!🔗 Links👉 Expertible – 1:1 video consultations with independent heritage professionals👉 Stephen Boniface Associates – Chartered building surveyor and conservation specialist📌 Who is this for?Homeowners of older UK properties, tradespeople working with traditional buildings, and anyone interested in practical conservation.🎬 Don’t miss our full lime mortar series – Watch the full playlist hereContents00:00 Introduction00:40 A brief history of decorative plasterwork03:08 A brief history of fibrous plasterwork05:52 Forms of plaster and mixes 07:49 Changes in decorative plaster through the 17th and 18th centuries11:14 Whether to repair or replace14:00 Cleaning plaster details and taking a squeeze17:16 Applying soft distemper17:48 Taking a squeeze19:58 Installing new/replacement cornices and details25:00 The most challenging, rewarding, impressive jobs30:19 Running moulds and what lies behind32:33 Decorative plaster34:10 Aggregates, hair and additives48:31 Closing49:14 Outro

    50 min
  6. 09/17/2025

    How to Fix Ceilings in Older Homes – Lath, Plaster & Lime Advice with Master Plasterer Sean Wheatley

    In this episode of Talking Conservation, we’re joined by expert heritage plasterer Sean Wheatley, who brings decades of hands-on experience in the restoration of traditional ceilings and plasterwork in older homes. From sagging lath and plaster to hairline cracks and inappropriate repairs, Sean explains what to look out for, how to fix it — andwhen to call in a pro. 🧱 We discuss: ●      What materials were historicallyused for ceilings (and why it matters) ●      How to tell if a ceiling needsrepair or replacement ●      Spotting signs of serious failurevs. cosmetic issues ●      Why modern materials often makethings worse ●      DIY options vs. when to leave itto specialists ●      The pros and cons of differentlime plasters for interiors ●      Myths around steamers, fillers,and patching old ceilings ●      What goes wrong when corners arecut ●      What not to do with cracked or sagging ceilings 🛠️ Whether you're dealing with acrumbling Victorian ceiling or just curious about traditional internalfinishes, this is packed with insight. 🔗 Mentioned in this episode:👉 Expertible– 1:1 video consultations with independent heritage professionals👉 Stephen Boniface Associates – Chartered building surveyorand conservation specialist 📌 Who is this for?Homeowners of older UK properties, tradespeople working with traditionalbuildings, and anyone interested in practical conservation. 🎬 Don’t miss our full lime mortar series – Watch the full playlist here Contents 00:00             Introduction 00:54             Sean’s background 04:07             Worshipful Company of Plaisterers 05:45             Apprentices 07:13             Working at distance from home 08:30             Ceiling constructions and laths 11:53             Choosing riven or sawn laths 13:35             Application and fixing of laths 18:21             Gaps between laths 19:49             Reed as a backing 23:03             Board backings 24:41             Earth plasters 27:07             Identifying ceiling constructions 28:19             Dealing with cracks and discussionabout hair 33:17             Patching ceilings 34:13             Checking the soundness of a ceiling 37:10             Repairing lath and plaster 41:41             Causes of ceiling failures 46:28             Lime plaster mixes 50:19             Hot lime mortar mixes 51:26             Hydrated (bagged) lime 53:04             Using plasterboard 55:29             Overboarding a ceiling 58:27             Concluding comments 59:18             Outro

    1 hr
  7. 08/17/2025

    Up High: How Rope Access Protects Historic Buildings – Talking Conservation with Steve Hogarth

    In this follow-up episode of Talking Conservation, we’re back with Steve Hogarth – SPAB Fellow, heritage mason, and rope access conservator with Highlife Rope Access – to dive deeper into how conservation really happens at height.From blocked gutters and cracked coping stones to wildlife nests and fragile leadwork, Steve shares what really goes on when you're dangling from ropes on cathedrals, castles, and churches – and why rope access can offer major advantages over traditional scaffolding.We explore:• What rope access actually is and when it’s used• Real-world examples of unexpected issues found at height• Why hands-on surveys can reveal more than drones or binoculars• The most common (and preventable) problems that damage old buildings• How rope access enables small, cost-effective repairs that prevent bigger failures• What makes rope access viable (or not) for domestic buildings• Why it’s an essential part of modern conservation practiceWhether you’re a homeowner, architect, or heritage professional, this episode offers unique insight into how careful, targeted intervention at height can extend the life of historic buildings.👉 https://www.highliferopeaccess.com/👉https://www.instagram.com/highlife_rope_access/👉https://www.facebook.com/HIGHLIFEROPEACCESS/👉 Subscribe to our channel for future episodes on building conservation, heritage homes, and expert advice.👉 Book a consultation with us for 1-1 advice on managing your historic home on www.expertible.com👉 Professionals involved in working on or with historic, traditional, or listed buildings may want 1-2-1 mentoring and/or training with Stephen. Visit his website at www.beconservation.com#talkingconservation #traditionalbuildings #buildingconservation #historicbuildingrestoration #traditionalconstructionmaterials #limemortar #preservingarchitecturalheritage #listedbuildings #heritageprotection #historichomes #traditionalhomes #restorationtips #homerestoration #architecturalheritage #historicmaterials #highliferopeaccess

    29 min

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Welcome to Talking Conservation, where we talk about all things related to our built heritage. Whether you own an historic building, are responsible for a heritage site, or are a professional consultant, contractor, or simply interested - this is the place to find out more. We discuss various matters and conduct interviews with a wide range of people involved with our heritage in some way. This includes architects, surveyors, archaeologists, conservation officers, contractors, conservators, historians ... the list goes on. We are interested in and talk about any aspect of heritage; not only listed buildings, but all older and traditionally constructed buildings and anything that could be considered a heritage site. Stephen's Heritage Conservation Community information can be found here: https://beconservation.com/heritage-conservation-community Rich's platform putting owners in touch with consultants can be found here: https://expertible.com/

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