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Heaven-Leigh and Justin
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Neither your primary nor secondary source for news, culture, and critical thinking: Meet Tertiary, a podcast from two people you’ve never heard of—Heaven-Leigh and Justin—who went to grad school together and can’t shake the feeling that talking it out is better than doomscrolling. Join us every other week to laugh, cry, and digest whatever we’re watching, reading, and thinking about. No degree necessary.

  1. EP10: Tom Nichols’ “Death of Expertise,” Healthy Skepticism, Sex on TV

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    EP10: Tom Nichols’ “Death of Expertise,” Healthy Skepticism, Sex on TV

    You’ve been lied to.    We all have, in one way or another. In this episode, your Tertiary hosts Heaven-Leigh and Justin discuss how to create a healthy relationship with skepticism, when (and when not) to “trust the experts,” and why it matters that we consume information with a grain of salt. This just might be the first issue we don’t solve, but we look forward to starting this important conversation with you.    Have follow-up questions or comments? We want to hear from you! Follow us on Instagram, send us an email at tertpod@gmail.com and fill out our Google Form to submit a question that we’ll answer in a future episode.    Assigned Reading Listen to “Who needs experts?” on The Grey Area with Sean Illing here.  Buy Tom Nichols’ The Death of Expertise: The Campaign Against Established Knowledge and Why It Matters (Oxford University Press, 2017) on ThriftBooks here. Further Reading Watch “CIA whistleblower alleges federal cover-up of COVID-19 origins” on C-SPAN’s YouTube here.  Listen to “A Defense of Liberal Arts Education in the Age of A.I.“ on Interesting Times with Ross Douthat here. Our intro and outro music comes from “Cloud Dancer” by Kevin MacLeod (incompetech.com). Licensed under Creative Commons: By Attribution 4.0.

    59분
  2. EP9: Social Isolation and Therapy with Shelby Rubino, PsyD

    6월 18일

    EP9: Social Isolation and Therapy with Shelby Rubino, PsyD

    Shelby Rubino is a person too.    Sure, she just finished her doctorate in Clinical Psychology—and yeah, she recently published a peer-reviewed study in Integrative and Complementary Medicine observing the adverse effects of social isolation during the COVID-19 pandemic—but she also binge watches “Sex in the City” like the rest of us, making her the picture-perfect inaugural Tertiary guest.   Even though it’s officially Summertime (i.e., no longer S.A.D. season), the team at Tertiary still felt it appropriate to bring on an expert to help us tackle questions about mental health. After all, the kids are not alright. Together, Tertiary’s first trio laughs, cries, and explores topics like resilience and distress tolerance, collectivism vs. individualism, and the importance of loving, supportive relationships.    Want to be a part of the Tertiary community? Follow us on Instagram, send us an email at tertpod@gmail.com and fill out our Google Form to submit a question that we’ll answer in a future episode. We want to hear from you!    Assigned Reading Read Shelby’s paper, “Covid 19’s Social Quarantine-Moderated Self-Reported Mental Health and Substance Use Among US Adults,” here.  Further Reading Listen to “John Mulaney Radio” on Pandora here. Watch Jason Reitman’s “Thank You for Smoking” on Amazon Prime. If you want.   Our intro and outro music comes from “Cloud Dancer” by Kevin MacLeod (incompetech.com). Licensed under Creative Commons: By Attribution 4.0.

    57분
  3. EP8: Artificial Intelligence, Art, the Protestant Work Ethic

    6월 2일

    EP8: Artificial Intelligence, Art, the Protestant Work Ethic

    Listen, listeners—you spoke, and we listened. For today’s episode, Tertiary hosts Heaven-Leigh and Justin dive head first into our first-ever listener question: “ What do you think it will take for art-based platforms to regulate/condemn AI ‘art’ over profit?”    For a topic as gargantuan as artificial intelligence, it should come as no surprise that our conversation covered a lot of ground—from publishing industry scandals and algorithm-driven slop factories to the ineffable, untouchable thing that separates manmade art from clunker junk. While it’s clear that regulating AI is somewhat out of the question (thanks, capitalism), that doesn’t change the fact that protecting what makes art quintessentially human is important.    Don’t worry, we also made plenty of time to debate the Alien movies and gush over Jeff   Have a follow-up question about AI? Send us an email at tertpod@gmail.com and fill out our Google Form and we promise (we really do!) to answer in a future episode. We want to hear from you!    Assigned Reading Watch The Drey Dossier’s recent YouTube episode on “The Shy Girl AI Scandal Is Way Worse Than You Think” here. Read Nabeel S. Qureshi’s Substack, “What Makes Art Great?” here. Further Reading Read Walter Benjamin’s essay, “The Work of Art in the Age of Mechanical Reproduction,” here. Read Britannica’s summarization of Machiavelli’s contributions to historiography here. Read Jay Caspian Kang’s article for The New Yorker, “Will A.I. Make College Obsolete?” here. Listen to The Grey Area’s podcast discussing “Machiavelli on how democracies die,” here.    Our intro and outro music comes from “Cloud Dancer” by Kevin MacLeod (incompetech.com). Licensed under Creative Commons: By Attribution 4.0.

    54분
  4. EP7: “The Man in the High Castle,” Technofascism, Progressivism

    5월 19일

    EP7: “The Man in the High Castle,” Technofascism, Progressivism

    The rightwing techno-elites are trying to hijack your dreams—and the only way to stop them is to listen to Tertiary’s latest episode! In a spiritual successor to our series on “Speculative Creatures,” your hosts Heaven-Leigh and Justin picked up where EP6: Eugenics, Fatalism, “The Last Messiah” left off to dissect the ways both the political “left” and “right” imagine humanity’s future. As these competing visions become increasingly detached from reality, we’ve done our best to bring the conversation back down to earth.   Don’t worry, we also found time to touch on werewolves and queer culture, zombie movies and paranoia, and—most importantly—social media bans for minors.    Want to be a part of the Tertiary community? Follow us on Instagram, send us an email at tertpod@gmail.com and fill out our Google Form to submit a question that we’ll answer in a future episode. We want to hear from you!    Assigned Reading Buy Philip K. Dick’s The Man in the High Castle on Bookshop here or watch “The Man in the High Castle” on Netflix. Read Slavoj Žižek’s Substack on “SINNERS: CLASS STRUGGLE, BLUES AND VAMPIRES” here. Further Reading Listen to The Last Podcast on the Left’s series on Jimmy Savile here. Read Tiffany Hsu’s NYT article, “Hundreds of Fake Pro-Trump Avatars Emerge on Social Media,” here. Watch “Hegseth defends Iran War's mission, costs” on FOX 32 Chicago here.  Read Dana Goldstein’s NYT article, “Did School Cellphone Bans Work? New Study Finds Mixed Results,” here. Read Justin’s Substack on “TikTok, Hypnopedia, and the Zombification of the Public” here.   Our intro and outro music comes from “Cloud Dancer” by Kevin MacLeod (incompetech.com). Licensed under Creative Commons: By Attribution 4.0.

    56분
  5. SQ2: “Acrosanti,” Arcology, Communism

    5월 5일

    SQ2: “Acrosanti,” Arcology, Communism

    “The city is the necessary instrument for the evolution of humankind.” —Paolo Soleri   You’ve heard of architecture, you’ve heard of ecology … but what happens when you smoosh those words together? You get “arcology,” a concept coined by Italian-American architect Paolo Soleri, out of which sprouted his ongoing experimental town in central Arizona called “Acrosanti.” Earlier this year, your #1 Tertiary host (Heaven-Leigh, obviously) paid said town a visit and brought a fistful of questions and ideas home with her.    For this week’s Sidequest, Justin and Heaven-Leigh finally tackle the topic they’re both secretly obsessed with: Urban design. What would it look like to build a city around the natural environment? What happens when your relationship to “work” becomes less about making money and more about building community? We get into it—and we can’t wait to hear what you think about all of it.      Follow us on Instagram, send us an email at tertpod@gmail.com or fill out our Google Form to submit a question that we’ll answer in a future episode. We want to hear from you!    Assigned Reading: Explore the Acrosanti project’s website (here) Read Paolo Soleri’s “Arcology Concept” (here) Our intro and outro music comes from “Cloud Dancer” by Kevin MacLeod (incompetech.com). Licensed under Creative Commons: By Attribution 4.0.

    43분
  6. EP6: Eugenics, Fatalism, “The Last Messiah”

    4월 21일

    EP6: Eugenics, Fatalism, “The Last Messiah”

    There is a sense of despair in the air, driven by war, genocide, fascism, climate change, and so on. As tempting as it may be to throw up your hands, the real question is: How does resignation actually serve us? What should we be doing instead?   This week, your Tertiary hosts tackle issues ranging from fatalism, tribalism, tolerance vs. intolerance, and—most importantly—community building at the end of the world. Believe it or not, this episode isn’t all doom and gloom: It’s Turkey Burger’s birthday, Spring is officially here, and we’re excited both to celebrate and problem-solve with you.   Want to be a part of the Tertiary community? Follow us on Instagram, send us an email at tertpod@gmail.com or fill out our Google Form to submit a question that we’ll answer in a future episode. We want to hear from you!    Assigned Reading: “The Last Messiah” (Janus, 1933), by Peter Wessel Zapffe (read it here) “Eugenics” (Stanford Encyclopedia of Philosophy) (read the definition here) Further Reading: “Peter Wessel Zapffe” (Medium, 2017), by OJ (read it here) “Toilet Architecture: An Essay About The Most Psychosexually Charged Room in a Building” (PIN–UP, 2017/2018), by Beatriz Colomina and Mark Wigley (read it here)   Our intro and outro music comes from “Cloud Dancer” by Kevin MacLeod (incompetech.com). Licensed under Creative Commons: By Attribution 4.0.

    45분
  7. EP5: Intersectionality, Privilege, Identity

    4월 7일

    EP5: Intersectionality, Privilege, Identity

    Identity politics are more contentious, today, than ever. As the cultural tug-o-war wages on, your Tertiary hosts Heaven-Leigh and Justin take a step back to examine the ways race, gender, and sex politics overlap and interact. Leaning on Kimberlé Crenshaw’s pivotal text defining “Intersectionality,” we touch on everything from white fragility and representation in media to current events like BLM and ICE protests, for your listening pleasure.    Want to be a part of the Tertiary community? Follow us on Instagram, send us an email at tertpod@gmail.com or fill out our Google Form to submit a question that we’ll answer in a future episode. We want to hear from you!    Our intro and outro music comes from “Cloud Dancer” by Kevin MacLeod (incompetech.com). Licensed under Creative Commons: By Attribution 4.0.   Assigned Reading: “Demarginalizing the Intersection of Race and Sex: A Black Feminist Critique of Antidiscrimination Doctrine, Feminist Theory and Antiracist Politics,” (University of Chicago Legal Form) by Kimberlé Crenshaw (read it here) “Kimberlé Crenshaw on Intersectionality More Than Two Decades Later,” (Columbia Law School) interview (read it here) “‘2020 Never Ended:’ How Black Lives Matter Organizers Taught Minneapolis to Handle ICE Surge,” (The Guardian) by Alyssa Oursler (read it here)

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  8. EP4: Adoption, Utopia, the Welfare State

    3월 24일

    EP4: Adoption, Utopia, the Welfare State

    In one of Tertiary’s rowdiest episodes yet, co-hosts Heaven-Leigh and Justin explore the politics of the American family unit—namely, the complicated culture of adoption in the United States. Beginning with Heaven-Leigh’s personal experience as an adoptee, we touch on everything from America’s hazy history of cultural anesthetization (both vis-à-vis transracial adoption and American Indian boarding schools) to Plato’s orgiastic vision for communal child rearing. In the outtakes, Heaven-Leigh and Justin rehash the reality T.V. debate for a third and final time (I swear we’re done) and broach the subject of Hello Kitty’s perplexing biography… apparently, she’s not a cat? So says the internet? Jury’s still out.  In typical Tertiary fashion, we ask more questions than we answer, but the team is eager to hear your feedback, so send us an email at tertpod@gmail.com or fill out our Google Form and let us know what you think. We want to hear from you!   Assigned Reading: Choosing Ethnicity, Negotiating Race: Korean Adoptees in America (Russell Sage Foundation, 2012), by Mia Tuan and Jiannbin Lee Shiao (find it here) Everyday Utopia: What 2,000 Years of Bold Experiments Can Teach Us About the Good Life (Simon & Shuster, 2024), by Kristen R. Ghodsee (find it here), chapter 3 (“Kids as Public Goods”) and chapter 7 (“You and Me and Baby Makes Misery”) “Interesting Times with Ross Douthat” (NY Times) (listen here)   Further Reading / Watching  The Player of Games by Iain M. Banks; What do Women Want by Daniel Bergner; Hello Kitty is a Little Girl?? (watch here)    Our intro and outro music comes from “Cloud Dancer” by Kevin MacLeod (incompetech.com). Licensed under Creative Commons: By Attribution 4.0.

    52분
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Neither your primary nor secondary source for news, culture, and critical thinking: Meet Tertiary, a podcast from two people you’ve never heard of—Heaven-Leigh and Justin—who went to grad school together and can’t shake the feeling that talking it out is better than doomscrolling. Join us every other week to laugh, cry, and digest whatever we’re watching, reading, and thinking about. No degree necessary.

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