The 4th Wave in Therapy

Dr Peta Stapleton
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In a world where mental health has taken center stage, a new wave of innovation is sweeping through the therapy field. Join me as we embark on a journey uncovering the latest breakthroughs, emerging technologies, and pioneering approaches that are redefining the way we heal, grow and thrive. This is the 4th Wave of Therapy.

  1. Celina Tonkin

    10/02/2025

    Celina Tonkin

    Celina Tonkin In this episode, Peta Stapleton interviews Celina Tonkin about her personal journey with a Desmoid tumor and how she utilized Emotional Freedom Techniques (EFT) to navigate her health crisis. They discuss the emotional challenges faced during diagnosis, the role of tapping in managing anxiety and pain, and the insights gained from her experiences. Selena shares her reflections on the importance of addressing childhood trauma and the transformative power of EFT in her healing process. Celina Tonkin, is a powerful Coach who has combines her 15 years’ experience as Hypnotherapist, Neuro-Linguistic Programming Trainer, to successfully coach and empowered hundreds of people to move from being stuck in dysfunctional personal and business relationships, overeating, debt, poverty mentality, to having freedom and power in these areas. Celina’s passion is working with otherwise persistent and difficult issues and developing and utilising proven programs to facilitate powerful results in these areas. Her flagship program, “The Missing Link, as an extension of the program EFT and Food Cravings, designed by my friend and mentor, Dr Peta Stapleton, who is an Associate Professor at Bond University and the leading world researcher in EFT and weight management. She has also co-written a book, with Dr Peta Stapleton, “EFT for Introverts” - to enable introverts to emerge from hiding and show up powerfully in this world all the while feeling safe and congruent to their own values. Website: https://celinatonkin.com/  Show notes and transcripts are on the podcast page here: https://www.evidencebasedeft.com/celina-tonkin

    36 min
  2. Dr Carol Look

    10/02/2025

    Dr Carol Look

    Dr Carol Look In this engaging conversation, Dr. Carol Look, a founding EFT master, shares her journey from traditional psychotherapy to energy psychology, emphasising the transformative power of EFT tapping and gratitude. The discussion explores the concepts of healing, anxiety, resistance, and family patterns, while highlighting the importance of finding one's own 'yes' and the scientific benefits of gratitude practices. Carol's insights provide valuable tools for therapists and clients alike, showcasing how tapping can facilitate emotional healing and personal growth. Dr Carol Look is a psychotherapist, Founding EFT Master, international speaker, and best-selling author of 2 books: The Yes Code: Transforming Sabotage into Success. and Yes, Thank You: Tapping Into the Superpower of Gratitude. Carol combines her traditional training as a psychotherapist with clinical hypnosis and advanced applications of EFT Tapping for unprecedented results with her clients. Known for her laser-like focus and state-of-the-art approach, Carol has used EFT Tapping for over 25 years to help clients release their limiting beliefs and emotional conflicts so they can enjoy lives of exceptional success and fulfilment. Carol is a world-renowned EFT workshop presenter and has taught workshops in England, The Netherlands, Belgium, France, Ireland, Canada, Australia, and all over the United States. She is a regularly featured energy medicine expert on leading global tele-summits, and is featured as a top expert in the field’s leading documentaries. For more on Carol’s programs, visit www.CarolLook.com. Websites: www.carollook.com www.theyescode.com https://www.carollook.com/blog/ https://www.carollook.com/abundance-store/  Show notes and transcripts are on the podcast page here: https://www.evidencebasedeft.com/dr-carol-look

    32 min
  3. Dr Gina Cleo

    10/02/2025

    Dr Gina Cleo

    Dr Gina Cleo  In this episode, Dr. Gina Cleo discusses the science of habit change and its profound impact on wellbeing. She shares her personal journey into habit science, emphasizing the importance of understanding how habits are formed and how they can be changed. The conversation explores the neuroscience behind habits, the role of dopamine, and practical strategies for establishing healthy habits, particularly around sleep and wellbeing. Dr. Cleo also debunks the myth of the 21-day habit formation rule and provides insights for therapists on helping clients develop new habits. Dr. Gina Cleo is a globally recognised expert in habit change and wellbeing, and is passionate about translating scientific evidence into simple, actionable strategies to help improve health, wellness and mindset-related habits-long-term. Gina has a PhD in habit change, is an Assistant Professor at Bond University, and an Accredited Dietitian. Her research has been published in highly reputable medical journals globally, and she has been featured in over 250 media outlets including Australian’s major television networks and leading print and online publications. She is also a regular keynote speaker and expert panellist at national and international conferences. In 2024, Gina released her best-selling book, The Habit Revolution, further establishing her as a leading voice in the field of habit change. When she’s not geeking out on new habit research, Gina is running courses through her Habit Change Institute and working the land on her acreage property. Website: www.drginacleo.com Instagram: www.instagram.com/drginacleo  Show notes and transcripts are on the podcast page here: https://www.evidencebasedeft.com/dr-gina-cleo

    32 min
  4. Dr Hayley Kelly

    10/02/2025

    Dr Hayley Kelly

    Dr Hayley Kelly In this episode, Peta Stapleton interviews Dr. Hayley Kelly, a clinical psychologist, discussing the challenges within the mental health system, the burnout faced by therapists, and the disconnect between therapy practices and business skills. They explore the evolving expectations of clients and the need for innovation in therapy to better serve the community. We delve into the evolving landscape of therapy practices, exploring the critical need for innovation and adaptation in the field. As societal challenges and technological advancements reshape the way we approach mental health, therapists are called to embrace new methods and tools to enhance their practice. Join us as I chat with Dr Hayley Kelly and discover how innovation is not just an option but a necessity in the future world of mental health care. Dr. Hayley Kelly is a clinical psychologist, speaker, and founder of Therapists Rising. With over a decade in the therapy room and a PhD in psychology, Hayley now helps therapists expand their impact beyond one-to-one work through her Mental Health 3.0 framework — a future-ready model for thriving in a digital-first, ethically complex mental health landscape. Her work bridges evidence-based clinical excellence with innovation, equity, and accessibility, equipping therapists to adapt, lead, and create change in a system that’s struggling to keep pace with the world around it. Website: https://therapistsrising.com/  Show notes and resources are available here: https://www.evidencebasedeft.com/dr-hayley-kelly

    44 min
  5. Dr Larry Burk

    10/02/2025

    Dr Larry Burk

    Dr Larry Burk In this episode of the Fourth Wave in Therapy podcast, Dr. Peta Stapleton interviews Dr. Larry Burk, a holistic musculoskeletal radiologist, about the mind-body connection, particularly focusing on frozen shoulder and the emotions associated with it. They discuss Larry's personal journey into holistic healing, the role of emotions like anger and grief in physical ailments, and various healing modalities including EFT and expressive writing. The conversation also touches on the medical field's evolving perspective on mind-body healing and the significance of dreams in understanding our emotional health. Larry Burk, MD, CEHP, is a retired holistic musculoskeletal radiologist who now works as an online health coach and Certified Energy Health Practitioner. He trained in hypnosis in 1990. Dr. Burk did his medical school and radiology residency training at the University of Pittsburgh and a fellowship at the University of Pennsylvania. He was an associate professor of radiology and head of the musculoskeletal section at Duke University. He was co-founder and education director of Duke Integrative Medicine and took the UCLA Acupuncture for Physicians course in 1998. Larry learned Emotional Freedom Techniques (EFT) in 2002 and has taught tapping at Duke Integrative Medicine since 2016. His EFT mentors are Carol Look and  Margaret Lynch Raniere. He facilitates the monthly Dream Study Group for the Rhine Research Center on Zoom. He has published three books, Let Magic Happen: Adventures in Healing with a Holistic Radiologist in 2012, Dreams That Can Save Your Life: Early Warning Signs of Cancer and Other Diseases in 2018, Frozen Shoulder Healing: Diagnostic Methods and Treatment Options in 2025. Details about his coaching practice, newsletters, blogs, and videos can be found on his website. Website: https://letmagichappen.com/.  Show notes and transcripts are on the podcast page here: https://www.evidencebasedeft.com/dr-larry-burk

    41 min
  6. Dr Lorne Brown

    10/02/2025

    Dr Lorne Brown

    Dr Lorne Brown In this engaging conversation, Dr. Peta Stapleton interviews Dr. Lorne Brown, exploring the intersection of acupuncture and tapping therapies like EFT. They discuss how emotions are stored in the body, the importance of daily tapping for emotional regulation, and the impact of cosmetic procedures on acupoints. The conversation delves into specific acupoints, their significance, and how understanding these can enhance the effectiveness of tapping therapies. In this enlightening conversation, Lorne Brown and Dr. Peta Stapleton delve into the intricate relationship between acupuncture, EFT (Emotional Freedom Techniques), and emotional health. They explore how tapping therapies can facilitate emotional release, the importance of understanding acupuncture points, and the potential contraindications in therapy. The discussion emphasizes the integration of EFT and acupuncture for a holistic approach to healing, highlighting the significance of staying present with emotions during the process. Dr. Lorne Brown is the Clinical Director of Acubalance Wellness Centre, and the of Founder Pro D Seminars, Medigogy, and the Integrative Fertility Symposium. After a career as a Chartered Professional Accountant (CPA), Lorne received his Doctor of Traditional Chinese Medicine at Vancouver’s International College of Traditional Chinese Medicine, Lorne has extensive postgraduate training in gynecology, obstetrics, and reproductive medicine. In 2012, Lorne published the Acubalance Fertility Diet which is made available for free through the Acubalance website. Dr. Brown has successfully integrated his entrepreneurial skills and background as a CPA with his passion for Chinese Medicine establishing a very successful fertility practice (Acubalance.ca) and pioneering online continuing education through Pro D Seminars and Medigogy.com as well as the Integrative Fertility Symposium for Chinese Medicine Practitioners worldwide. I am passionate about helping my patients harness their inner healer and become active participants in their own healthcare. I strongly believe in the importance of an integrative approach to health, which led me to establish the Acubalance Wellness Centre in 2000. I continually seek out and obtain certification in various energy psychology / belief change modalities – including clinical hypnotherapy, Neuro-Linguistic Programming, PSYCH-K Emotional Freedom Technique (EFT) and Rapid Transformational Therapy (RTT) – and I incorporate these belief change modalities in my acupuncture & laser sessions with my patients. My aim is to empower them to take the reins of their physical and emotional well-being. In addition to my role as Clinical Director at Acubalance Wellness Centre, I founded Healthy Seminars to provide acupuncturists and functional medicine practitioners with access to a comprehensive selection of online continuing education courses. In 2015, I founded the Integrative Fertility Symposium, which is the largest conference focusing on treating reproductive health issues using an integrative approach. Website: https://lornebrown.com/  Show notes and transcripts are on the podcast page here: https://www.evidencebasedeft.com/dr-lorne-brown

    45 min
  7. Dr Tomas Frymann

    10/02/2025

    Dr Tomas Frymann

    Dr Tomas Frymann In this enlightening conversation, Peta Stapleton speaks with Dr Tomas Frymann, founder of As We Wake, about the transformative potential of psychedelic therapy. They explore Tomas's personal journey with psychedelics, the profound experiences of oneness, and the scientific underpinnings of how psychedelics can aid in mental health treatment, particularly for PTSD. The discussion emphasizes the importance of integration after psychedelic experiences and the future of psychedelics in mental health care. Dr. Tomas Frymann is the founder of As We Wake, an organization dedicated to connecting culture to Interbeing through psychedelics. He completed his Ph.D. in the Spirituality and Psychology Lab at Columbia University, is an initiate of the Bwiti tradition, and has facilitated and experienced 100’s of psychedelic ceremonies worldwide with psilocybin, ayahuasca, iboga, and 5-MeO-DMT. In his many years of psychotherapy experience he has worked with veterans, cancer patients, university students, and ICU patients. Dr. Frymann authored the first empirical measurements of Psychedelic Integration and Interbeing Identity, which have been translated into multiple languages and adopted by psychedelic facilitation centers globally. He has presented his work at major forums including the United Nations and Harvard University, and is featured on the following podcasts: Universe Within, 10 Laws Podcast, Psychedelic medicine Podcast, End of the Road Podcast. Dr. Frymann is also a former professional skimboarder and general ocean sports aficionado. Website: www.aswewake.com Instagram: @aswewake  Show notes and transcripts are on the podcast page here: https://www.evidencebasedeft.com/dr-tomas-frymann

    47 min
  8. Emma Gray

    10/02/2025

    Emma Gray

    Emma Gray In this episode, Dr Peta Stapleton interviews Emma Gray, a clinical psychologist and meditation teacher, about her mission to support women in discovering their soul's calling. Emma shares her personal journey, the tools she uses to help clients overcome self-doubt, and the integration of science and spirituality in therapy. They discuss common limiting beliefs that hold women back, the importance of self-care, and Emma's aspirations for the future. Emma Gray is a bestselling author, Clinical Psychologist, coach, and meditation teacher. Her mission is to support women who want to make a difference in the world. She helps women break through self-doubt and limiting beliefs to follow their Soul Calling and create lives (and businesses) they truly love. Emma is deeply passionate (some might say obsessed!) with meditation, tapping, and the intersection between science and spirituality. She brings together nerdy neuroscience and soulful wisdom in a way that's both practical and transformational to help her clients create more ease, joy and abundance in their lives. Her international bestselling book, Inspired Living, is co-authored with Dr Larry Farwell, a Harvard-trained neuroscientist and quantum physicist, featured in Time Magazine’s Top 100 Innovators of the Century. Emma lives on Sydney’s northern beaches with her family. Website: https://emmagray.net/  Show notes and transcripts are on the podcast page here: https://www.evidencebasedeft.com/emma-gray

    32 min
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In a world where mental health has taken center stage, a new wave of innovation is sweeping through the therapy field. Join me as we embark on a journey uncovering the latest breakthroughs, emerging technologies, and pioneering approaches that are redefining the way we heal, grow and thrive. This is the 4th Wave of Therapy.

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