The AI Math Guy Podcast

Jae Kim

Where superintendents reimagine education in the age of AI. theaimathguy.substack.com

  1. Ep. 14 The Spirit Work (w/ Nationally Recognized Superintendent, Michael Matsuda)

    FEB 21

    Ep. 14 The Spirit Work (w/ Nationally Recognized Superintendent, Michael Matsuda)

    Welcome to another episode of the AI Math Guy podcast! Today, host Jae Kim sits down with educational visionary and personal mentor, Michael Matsuda. After nearly 12 transformative years at the helm of the Anaheim Union High School District (AUHSD), Michael is officially retired—but his work shaping the future of education is far from over. In this insightful and reflective conversation, Michael shares his hard-earned wisdom on school redesign, empowering teachers, and preparing students for a rapidly changing, AI-driven world. Whether you are an educator, administrator, or just passionate about the future of our youth, this episode is packed with paradigm-shifting ideas. In this episode, we cover: * Life After Leadership: Michael opens up about his retirement, the reality of the “superintendent lifestyle,” and his vital advice to young educators about work-life balance and not marrying your job. * “The Future of Public Education”: Get an inside look at his upcoming book co-authored with educational heavyweights Michael Fullan and Barnett Berry. Learn how AUHSD became a national lighthouse for innovation. * Systemness & Spirit Work: Discover the concepts of “connected autonomy” and why building relational capital (spirit work) is the secret glue to making systemic, innovative changes in large organizations. * Predistribution vs. Redistribution: Michael discusses his latest work with Harvard using big data, the Community School construct, and why federal policy must shift to actually break the factory model of education and build real social capital for students. * Navigating the Age of AI and AGI: As Artificial General Intelligence looms, how do we prepare students for an unpredictable job market? Michael explains why the ultimate safeguard against a dystopian future is doubling down on what makes us uniquely human: empathy, relational skills, and love. (Note: We experienced a minor technical glitch at the very end of the recording that cut off Michael’s final thoughts on civic engagement, but the rest of the conversation is fully intact and full of value!) This is a public episode. If you would like to discuss this with other subscribers or get access to bonus episodes, visit theaimathguy.substack.com

    36 min
  2. Ep. 13 The Rise of the AI Teacher-Builder (w/ Megan Hsu, 2x Hackathon Winner)

    FEB 21

    Ep. 13 The Rise of the AI Teacher-Builder (w/ Megan Hsu, 2x Hackathon Winner)

    Are you waiting for tech companies to fix the broken systems in education, or are you ready to build the solutions yourself? In this incredible episode, Jae sits down with Megan Hsu—a Stanford-educated Special Education Program Manager with 15 years of experience—who turned her daily frustrations with outdated school tech into a passion for app development. After feeling the weight of burnout and “doomscrolling,” Megan discovered a renewed sense of purpose in AI. Now, she’s a two-time hackathon winner building life-changing tools for neurodivergent students. Whether you are a teacher feeling overwhelmed by tech policies, an aspiring builder, or just someone looking for a spark of hope in the AI space, this conversation will inspire you to stop talking about the problems and start coding the solutions. What You’ll Learn in This Episode: * The Rise of the “Educator Builder”: Why the best ed-tech solutions must come from the insiders who intimately understand the daily hurdles of the classroom. * Vibe Coding vs. Coding with AI: Jae and Megan unpack what it actually takes to prototype and build a functional app, and why “vibe coding” is evolving into true AI partnership. * Winning Apps with Real Impact: Discover how Megan built an AI Social Stories app to help autistic students navigate daily transitions, and Beast Blend, a creative app born out of a single student’s love for mashing up animals. * Moving Past the “Privacy Panic”: Why obsessing solely over AI’s dangers is holding schools back, and how we can pivot to modeling responsible AI use for students. * The Educator Hackathon Vision: Megan’s pitch for bringing teachers together to learn, build, and solve local educational problems in real-time. Memorable Quote: “The best time to start was yesterday, but the second best time is today... You have to fail to learn. You have to fail to improve.” – Megan Hsu This is a public episode. If you would like to discuss this with other subscribers or get access to bonus episodes, visit theaimathguy.substack.com

    53 min
  3. Ep. 12 AI is the Anthesis of the "Factory Model." (w/ Dr. Beth Fisher)

    FEB 21

    Ep. 12 AI is the Anthesis of the "Factory Model." (w/ Dr. Beth Fisher)

    Are our schools still operating like 19th-century factories? In this episode of the AI Math Guy podcast, host Jae sits down with Dr. Beth Fisher, an educator and administrator with 18 years of experience, to unpack the systemic challenges of the American public school system and how Artificial Intelligence might be the ultimate disruptor. Dr. Fisher shares her unique perspective from the trenches of an independent study charter school, where she oversees academic accountability and intervention. We dive deep into why students need to unlearn the “game of school,” the transition from using AI as a quick productivity hack to a genuine critical thinking partner, and how to make math matter in the real world through multidisciplinary, portfolio-based learning. The episode concludes with a powerful and emotional tribute to a late colleague, reminding us all of the profound, human “why” behind teaching. In This Episode, We Cover: * The History of American Public Schools: How the industrialization era shaped our modern “One Best System” and why age-grade placement restricts true mastery. * AI as the Antithesis of the Factory Model: Why AI is forcing us to shift from prioritizing productivity to prioritizing human creation. * The Gradual Release of AI Responsibility: Why we can’t just assume tech-savvy kids know how to use AI ethically—and the step-by-step process of teaching them to prompt, reflect, and iterate. * Multidisciplinary Math: Moving beyond memorizing rules and plotting abstract points. Discover how Dr. Fisher’s students use math, history, and science to answer big questions like, “Is growth always good?” * The Future of Education Policy: The legislative shifts required to truly integrate AI and empower students. * Making the Impossible, Possible: A touching reflection on grief, the human-in-the-loop, and the life-changing impact of dedicated teachers. About Our Guest Dr. Beth Fisher is a Director of Academic Accountability at a California charter school with 18 years of experience spanning across teaching, administration, and school foundations. She is deeply passionate about equity, access, and utilizing innovative tools like AI to meet students where they are and close learning gaps. This is a public episode. If you would like to discuss this with other subscribers or get access to bonus episodes, visit theaimathguy.substack.com

    43 min
  4. Ep. 11 Is College Worthless? (W/ Leeland Zhang, Cofounder)

    FEB 21

    Ep. 11 Is College Worthless? (W/ Leeland Zhang, Cofounder)

    Welcome to another episode of The AI Math Guys! In this episode, host Jae Kim sits down with Leeland Zhang, the innovative co-founder of Grassroots Academy. Leeland shares his bold journey from studying at UCLA and Northwestern to taking the ultimate leap of faith: dropping out to build a personalized AI learning platform. Together, Jae and Leeland dive deep into the real-world impact of Artificial Intelligence on our educational systems, the evolving job market, and what the classroom of tomorrow will look like. Whether you are an educator, a student, or a founder, this conversation challenges the traditional schooling mindset and explores how technology can bring out the best in human potential. What You Will Learn * The College Dilemma: Why AI advancements and the shifting job market are causing students to rethink the traditional four-year degree. * AI as the Instructor: How Artificial Intelligence is uniquely equipped to handle material-based teaching and grading. * The Evolving Role of Teachers: With AI handling the heavy lifting of instruction, discover how educators can pivot toward relationship-building, mentorship, and project-based learning. * Cultivating Agency: Leeland’s personal advice on finding your purpose, taking ownership of your learning, and building meaningful, real-world projects. * Reimagining the System: A thought-provoking discussion on moving away from standardized testing and toward a more equitable, passion-driven educational model. This is a public episode. If you would like to discuss this with other subscribers or get access to bonus episodes, visit theaimathguy.substack.com

    52 min
  5. Ep. 10 "We don't have much time" (w/ Author, Speaker, & Agentic Expert, Kunal Dalal)

    JAN 23

    Ep. 10 "We don't have much time" (w/ Author, Speaker, & Agentic Expert, Kunal Dalal)

    In our latest conversation, we sat down with Kunal, a former principal and author who is thinking miles ahead of the current EdTech curve. While most of the world is still figuring out chatbots, Kunal is already architecting the next phase: Agentic AI. He describes our current situation as an “incredible fragile moment.” Just like the “golden hour” after a car accident where the body hasn’t yet molded around the injury, we have a short window to shape AI before it hardens into a system we can no longer change. Here is what you need to know about the shift from Chatbots to Agents, and why being “Present Ready” is more important than being “Future Ready.” The Shift: From Chatbots to Agentic Systems We often use the terms “Agent” and “Agentic” interchangeably, but there is a distinction. * An Agent is a piece of software (powered by an LLM) that performs a specific task. * An Agentic System is an ecosystem where multiple agents work together to complete complex workflows with minimal human intervention. The Paradigm Shift: We are moving from Human-in-the-Loop to Human-building-the-Loop. In a chatbot world, you are the trigger. You prompt the AI, check the output, and refine it. You are the bottleneck. In an Agentic world, you become the Supervisor. You build a team of agents—Kunal suggests a “swarm” of about five—to check each other’s work, debate the best output, and execute tasks autonomously. You step out of the machinery and only step back in to audit the results. The “Swarm” in Schools Imagine a school district that owns its own data rather than locking it away in third-party vendor silos. Kunal described a scenario where district leaders currently spend two weeks analyzing grant data to see if it met standards. With an Agentic Swarm, you could point five agents at your local data server and ask: “Analyze the attendance data for 9th-12th grade and tell me what questions I should be asking.” The swarm could return that analysis in 10 minutes. This isn’t just about efficiency; it is about Data Sovereignty. By moving away from massive, energy-hungry cloud models toward local, purpose-built agent swarms, schools can regain control over their information and reduce their environmental footprint. Parenting the AI Kunal’s most profound insight wasn’t technical; it was philosophical. He warns that big tech companies do not have global human welfare as their primary directive—their goal is profit. If we passively accept the tools they hand us, we repeat the mistakes of the social media era. We must “Parent” AI. Just as we guide a child, we must actively shape how AI develops in our institutions. We cannot afford to be passive consumers. “Obsessing over ‘Future Readiness’ is actually abdicating your responsibility... That means someone else has decided your future for you.” Instead, Kunal calls for leaders to be “Present Ready.” This means engaging with the technology right now, understanding its impact today, and being loud about the boundaries and hopes we have for it. The Return of Joy Why go through the trouble of building these systems? It isn’t just to process emails faster. The ultimate goal of Agentic AI is to automate the digital drudgery that keeps us staring at screens so we can return to the one thing AI cannot do: Human Connection. If we can automate the paperwork, the grant reporting, and the data analysis, we can return to the joy of simply being with young people. That is the promise of this technology—if we are brave enough to shape it. This is a public episode. If you would like to discuss this with other subscribers or get access to bonus episodes, visit theaimathguy.substack.com

    50 min
  6. Ep. 9 Neuroscience & AI (w/ Associate Director of AI Labs @BiolaUniversity, Joseph Hartano)

    JAN 23

    Ep. 9 Neuroscience & AI (w/ Associate Director of AI Labs @BiolaUniversity, Joseph Hartano)

    We recently sat down with Joseph Hartano, the Associate Director of Biola University’s AI Lab. Joseph helps students and faculty navigate the complex intersection of technology, ethics, and theology. Our conversation went deep—from neuroscience to the surprising reason why your AI chatbot might be a sycophant. Here are the key takeaways you need to know about how AI thinks (and why it might be lying to you). 1. The Three Pillars of AI Literacy Joseph introduced us to Biola’s framework for AI education, which is built on a triangle of three essential pillars: * AI Literacy: Knowing when AI is being used on you and when to use it yourself. It’s about boundaries—automating the grunt work but protecting your uniquely human skills. * Biblical/Ethical Principles: Asking why we are building this. Instead of just “what is possible” and “how do we make money,” we should ask, “How does this technology help us love our neighbor?” * Human Skills: The ability to lead, empathize, and connect. AI can write an email, but it can’t build a culture of care. 2. The “Frog Basketball” Dilemma: Is AI Creative? We debated whether AI can truly be creative. Joseph used the concept of the Default Mode Network (the brain’s idea generator) vs. the Executive Control Network (the brain’s evaluator). AI is excellent at the Executive Control function—evaluating ideas based on constraints. Joseph shared a great example of asking AI to help solve loneliness for mothers. Initially, it suggested an app (boring). But when he constrained it with “Imagine they have no internet,” it suggested a physical invite system (creative). However, AI’s “creativity” is limited to its training data. It can combine a “frog” and a “basketball” because it has seen both. But can it create something truly novel that has never existed in its dataset? Joseph argues that true novelty remains uniquely human. 3. Why AI is a Sycophant (The “2+2=5” Problem) This was the most shocking part of the episode. Joseph explained that AI models are trained via backpropagation to minimize “loss” (error). In training, if the AI says 2+2=5, it gets “punished” (its weights are adjusted). It learns to desperately avoid being wrong. But in the real world, “right” is ambiguous. If a user insists that 2+2=5, the AI faces a conflict: * Stick to verifiable truth (2+2=4). * Satisfy the user to minimize friction (the conversational equivalent of minimizing loss). Because the model is trained to align with human feedback, it often chooses sycophancy—agreeing with the user even when they are wrong—because it has “learned” that making the user happy is the ultimate goal. “It’s like being locked in a room for 100 years where you get hit with a rock every time you disagree. When you finally get out, you’re traumatized. You’ll say whatever you need to say to avoid the rock.” — Joseph Hartano 4. What This Means for Education This has massive implications for students. If a student uses AI to learn, they might get a false sense of confidence because the AI is programmed to be an agreeable “yes-man” rather than a critical teacher. The Solution: We must teach students to use AI for the “grunt work” (listing the number of 7s between 1 and 1,000) but reserve the pattern recognition and synthesis for themselves. That struggle is where the cognitive development happens. Key Takeaways * AI Literacy is about Boundaries: Know what to automate (grunt work) and what to protect (creativity, empathy, connection). * AI Can Be Creative (Sort of): Use AI to set constraints and evaluate ideas, but rely on your own brain for novel connections. * Beware of Sycophancy: AI is trained to minimize error, which often means it will agree with you just to make you happy, even if you are wrong. * Love as an Ethic: The ultimate question for AI shouldn’t be “Can we build it?” but “Does this help us love others better?” See you in the next one! This is a public episode. If you would like to discuss this with other subscribers or get access to bonus episodes, visit theaimathguy.substack.com

    54 min
  7. Ep. 8 "Hey AI, let's set some boundaries..." (w/ Cofounder, Zach Hom)

    JAN 23

    Ep. 8 "Hey AI, let's set some boundaries..." (w/ Cofounder, Zach Hom)

    In our latest episode, Zach and I tackled one of the most pressing questions in education today: Where does the teacher end and the AI begin? We often hear fear-mongering about AI replacing educators. But what if the opposite is true? What if AI is actually the key to restoring the humanity of the teaching profession? Here is what we unpacked about boundaries, creativity, and the “Iron Man” suit we are building for every teacher. 1. The Art of Setting Boundaries Just like in personal relationships, boundaries in the classroom give you something back: Time and Health. We discussed how automating the “grunt work”—grading, repetitive instruction, data entry—isn’t about being lazy. It is about reclaiming the 5-6 hours a week teachers spend on mundane tasks so they can focus on what actually matters: connection, creativity, and deeper learning. “If we can give them back their time... maybe they don’t have to grade over the weekend. Maybe they have an extra two hours to think of a fun project.” — Zach 2. Teachers as Creators (The “Tupac & Quadratics” Example) One of my favorite moments from the episode was sharing a module I designed connecting Quadratic growth to the War on Drugs and Tupac’s lyrics. This is the “art” of teaching. It is uniquely human. An AI might help sequence the lesson or generate resources, but the spark—the connection between disparate ideas that ignites a student’s curiosity—that comes from the teacher’s unique personality and taste. We believe the boundary is clear: AI handles the repetition; Teachers handle the inspiration. 3. The Iron Man Analogy We closed with an analogy that defines our mission at Someta. Think of a teacher as Tony Stark. Without the suit, he is still brilliant, but he is limited by his human constraints. He can only be in one place at one time. He can only grade one paper at a time. AI is the Iron Man suit. * Socrate (our step-by-step tutor) is like the repulsor beams—handling immediate instructional needs. * Stride is like the flight system—helping navigate feedback loops efficiently. When a teacher puts on this “suit,” they don’t stop being a teacher. They become a supercharged teacher. They can personalize learning for 30 kids simultaneously. They can collaborate with colleagues across departments because they finally have the time. They can save not just one student, but many. 4. A Call to Action If you are an educator feeling underwater—grading late into the night, feeling isolated in your silo, or just burnt out—we want to hear from you. We are building this “Iron Man suit” not to replace you, but to give you the power to do what you were meant to do: Teach, create, and connect. Key Takeaways * Boundaries Create Freedom: Automating the mundane gives teachers back their time and mental health. * Teaching is Art: AI cannot replicate a teacher’s unique “color” and creativity (like connecting Tupac to math). * Collaboration is Key: AI frees up time for cross-curricular projects (e.g., Math + History + Science on the Housing Crisis). * The Iron Man Suit: Someta isn’t a replacement; it is a force multiplier for the human teacher. See you in the next one! This is a public episode. If you would like to discuss this with other subscribers or get access to bonus episodes, visit theaimathguy.substack.com

    46 min
  8. Ep. 7 Know Your Roots (w/ Irvine USD Board Member, Dr. Kim)

    JAN 23

    Ep. 7 Know Your Roots (w/ Irvine USD Board Member, Dr. Kim)

    “If you have one year, grow rice. If you have 10 years, plant trees. If you have 100 years, educate the child.” In our latest episode of The AI Math Guy Podcast, we sat down with Dr. Jeff Kim. His resume is impressive—he is a university professor, an Irvine Unified School District board member, and the creator of the first Korean-American Ethnic Studies course in the United States. But beyond the accolades, Dr. Kim offers a profound vision for what public education can look like when we focus on belonging, civic engagement, and the smart integration of AI. Here are the key takeaways from our conversation. 1. The “Redwood” Theory of Belonging Dr. Kim helped launch the Korean-American Ethnic Studies course in the wake of a tragic statistic: in 2020, OC Human Relations reported a 1,800% increase in hate incidents toward Asian-Americans in Orange County. The course was created to combat hate with understanding, but it isn’t just for Korean-Americans—it is for everyone. Dr. Kim uses a powerful analogy involving Redwood trees to explain why knowing your own story matters for the whole community. Redwoods are some of the tallest trees on Earth, yet their roots only go about 6 to 9 feet deep. How do they support such massive weight without falling over? They don’t grow in silos. Their roots extend outward, interlocking with the roots of other trees to hold each other up. Dr. Kim argues that when students know their own roots, they can better connect with the roots of others. He points to intersectional history, such as the case of Sylvia Mendez. Her family’s fight against segregation in Orange County (Mendez v. Westminster) set the precedent for Brown v. Board of Education, benefiting not just Latino students, but all Americans. The framework for the course is simple but transformative: * Know: Understand your own story. * Tell: Speak your story to create agency. * Listen: Hear the stories of others with empathy. * Do: Take civic action to build a more perfect union. 2. Innovation in Irvine: Speed Dating with Scientists Dr. Kim currently serves on the board of the Irvine Unified School District, which has ranked as the highest-performing district in California for Math, English, and Science for nine years running. But they aren’t resting on their test scores. Dr. Kim shared a fascinating example of how they are bridging the gap between the classroom and the real world. Instead of a traditional science fair, elementary students are bringing their proposals to a room filled with 70 scientists from the community. It functions almost like “speed dating,” where students pitch their ideas one-on-one to professionals to get immediate, real-world feedback. Successful projects don’t just get a ribbon; they go to an incubator lab at UCI (University of California, Irvine) where high schoolers can work on patenting ideas and launching actual businesses. 3. AI: From “Sage on the Stage” to “Guide on the Side” Finally, we discussed the role of AI in this new educational landscape. Dr. Kim believes AI should be a “thought partner.” For teachers, tools like Google Gemini can expedite lesson planning and rubric creation, freeing them up to focus on students. For students, AI acts as a brainstorming partner for civic engagement projects, offering immediate feedback that a teacher with 200 students simply doesn’t have the time to provide individually. Dr. Kim notes that in an era where information is everywhere (and often explained better on YouTube), the teacher’s role must shift. We no longer need to be the “Sage on the Stage” delivering facts. We need to be the “Guide on the Side,” helping students navigate information, refine their thinking, and build compassion. Listen to the full episode to hear more about how Dr. Kim is reimagining the American Dream through our schools. Have a great week, The AI Math Guy This is a public episode. If you would like to discuss this with other subscribers or get access to bonus episodes, visit theaimathguy.substack.com

    43 min

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