Analyze your brand messaging for free at www.jacquard.com In this episode of The Array by Jacquard, Toby and Jasper speak with Doug Zarkin, CMO at Take 5, bestselling author, and TEDx speaker, about what it takes to build brands that earn customer trust and drive lasting growth. Across a career spanning Avon, Victoria's Secret PINK, Pearle Vision, and Take 5, Doug has learned that effective marketing starts with understanding people, not just measuring them. He shares why his experience selling Avon door-to-door and working on the frontline shaped his approach to brand strategy, and why marketing without operational excellence is just stuff. This conversation explores how marketers can use AI without losing the human touch. Doug sees AI as a powerful tool for research, idea generation, and exploring possibilities, but warns against treating it as a substitute for curiosity, judgment, or human connection. He also explains why tracking endless metrics can lead to analysis paralysis, and why trust, reputation, and customer sentiment matter alongside sales and lifetime value. From anticipating customer needs to empowering frontline teams, Doug makes the case for designing experiences that build relationships beyond a single transaction. Ultimately, the goal isn't simply to get customers to choose your brand once. It's to give them a reason to choose you again. What You’ll Learn: Why human connection and trusted recommendations remain powerful drivers of brand growth Why more customer data doesn't always lead to better insights How to use AI to fuel curiosity, explore ideas, and improve execution without replacing human judgment Why customer service should strengthen relationships instead of simply resolving problems How trust, reputation, and customer sentiment reveal the health of a brand Why marketers should focus on the metrics that directly influence business performance How to recognize when customers are quietly losing faith in your brand Why successful transformation requires more than agreement, it requires genuine commitment Doug Zarkin is the Chief Marketing Officer at Take 5 Oil Change, part of Driven Brands, and a brand transformation leader, bestselling author, and TEDx speaker. His career spans agency leadership and senior operating roles across beauty, fashion, retail, healthcare, wellness, and automotive services. Doug helped build Avon’s mark. brand to $118 million in 18 months, scale Victoria’s Secret PINK to $400 million, and grow Pearle Vision’s franchise business from $500 million to approximately $1 billion. At Take 5, he has led marketing transformation across brand strategy, customer experience, CRM, media, analytics, and omnichannel marketing. Through his book Moving Your Brand Out of the Friend Zone and his “Thinking Human” philosophy, Doug champions a customer-first approach that connects brand strategy, frontline execution, trust, and commercial performance. If you enjoyed this episode, make sure to subscribe, rate, and review it on Apple Podcasts, Spotify, and YouTube Podcasts. Instructions on how to do so are here.Episode Resources: Doug Zarkin on LinkedInDriven Brands Inc. Website