The Babblery

Suki Wessling

Visit BABBLERY.com. The Babblery features conversations about who we are and how we got this way. Modern humans can seem like the ancients building the Biblical Tower of Babel, cursed by God/nature never to understand each other. As Visiting Translators at the Tower of Babel, our guests delve into their work, their research, and their own experiences to try to explain the bits they've learned about Earth's most perplexing species. Though we all speak different languages, here at The Babblery we aim to promote understanding, one conversation at a time.

Episodes

  1. Sep 6

    Minibabble: “I screamed at Gloria Steinem”

    "I think most people will gasp when I tell you that I screamed—yelled at Gloria at one point. But you know, that's, we thought those differences were life altering, basically. And she just laughed." This week we lost a towering figure of second wave feminism, Gloria Steinem. I find myself not at all sad because I can't imagine a life better spent. Gloria saw the trajectory of her life change in a church basement full of women telling their abortion stories. She never stopped being a journalist, but her life became so much bigger than a career. She was a fighter who was never nasty, a white woman who believed in feminism for all, a poor child grown so eloquent and poised that she was accused of being many things that she was not. All human beings are complex, and thus so was Gloria Steinem. But in terms of legacy, she's leaving one filled with perseverance and grace. Last month I interviewed Barbara Winslow, whose book Revolutionary Feminists, covers the second wave movement in Seattle in detail. I encourage you to read the full story, but here's what she had to say about Gloria Steinem. I think you'll enjoy the anecdote. For all the shtick Gloria Steinem gets, and she deserves a lot of it, but I think history will be kind to her and I admire her. When she would go on public speaking tours, she only went with a, an African American woman and she went to Seattle with Margaret Sloan. The press only covered Steinem, didn't even mention Sloan, even though they spoke to the local, National Council of Black Women, they never mentioned her. And so, yes, I mean the racism was pretty extraordinary. Even people who supported the Civil Rights Movement, it was sort of like, well, Gloria's the star. And Gloria would try, I mean, in fairness to Gloria, she would try. Although I love this story. She came to speak on that trip at the UDub, and we were denouncing her for not supporting Shirley Chisholm's campaign enough. Now, by then, McGovern had gotten the, uh, nomination, so Chisholm was not a candidate, but our group sent Chisholm, Mrs. Chisholm, $15. And when Gloria came to speak in 2008 to commemorate the whatever it was, 40th anniversary of Chisholm winning Congress, you know, I met her at the car and we walked in, I said, I don't think you'll remember this, but after you spoke at the UW in 1972, you very generously invited a whole bunch of us to your room to talk politics. And all we did is scream at you for not supporting Shirley Chisholm. And she just laughed. And she said, "Oh, Barbara. But we thought those issues were so important." And when I introduced her, I told her the story. I said, I think most people will gasp when I tell you that I scream, yelled at Gloria at one point. But you know, that's, we thought those differences were life altering basically. Like I said, a legacy of perseverance and grace. I'd say rest in peace, but I think it's more important to say: let's continue the fight for Gloria—and for all of us. For more information and links: Check out the full interview with historian and activist Barbara Winslow, "Turning the World Upside-Down."

  2. Aug 19

    Turning the World Upside-Down with Barbara Winslow

    Barbara Winslow has been a political activist since she was a kid campaigning for Stevenson over Eisenhower in the 1950s. By the late 1960s she was a founding member of Seattle Radical Women and then Women's Liberation Seattle, groups that fought for legal abortion in Washington State years before Roe v. Wade. Her book, Revolutionary Feminists, is a hyperlocal history of that movement: the meetings, the splits, the leafleting, and the door-knocking that changed minds and the law. In this conversation, we focus on that success, and how it mirrors the challenges faced by today's activists. Barbara explores the galvanizing events: a doctor who wouldn't let her sign her own medical consent form, a pro-life billboard that got corrected, and a viral (well, 1968-viral) confrontation with a Playboy Playmate. But our conversation doesn't shy away from the uncomfortable parts of feminist history. Barbara talks candidly about how her overwhelmingly white organizing group failed to build real coalition with Black women for Seattle's abortion referendum, and how that failure showed up starkly on election night when the only precincts that voted against the measure were in the city's Black neighborhoods. We hear about the importance of the fruitful dialogue with antiabortion Black activists like Fannie Lou Hamer. "We have to find ways to find joy and peace and serenity in small victories. But I also think we have to find it in friendships, in family and in the arts. If you're in meetings 24 hours a day, you're not going to find joy. So you have to find a way to balance the political activism and the things that nourish your persona." All of this history supports Barbara's advice to activists today: to understand how the Democratic Party's retreat from grassroots politics after the early '70s left an opening the right eagerly filled, how local school boards and library boards matter more right now than national races, and how—even in the middle of exhausting, often losing fights—she still believes, as she puts it, that the struggle is the joy. Barbara Winslow is Professor emerita Brooklyn College and founder and Director Emerita The Shirley Chisholm Project of Brooklyn Women's Activism. Barbara has been a political activist for over sixty years -  in the Civil rights movement, as an ally in the Black Freedom Struggle, the labor union, public education, anti-war and anti imperialist movements and the women's liberation movements. She is a retired professor and author of books and articles on these topics, including Revolutionary Feminists: The Women's Liberation Movement in Seattle. Books Mentioned Revolutionary Feminists: The Women's Liberation Movement in Seattle by Barbara Winslow (Amazon • Bookshop.org) The Feminine Mystique by Betty Friedan (Amazon • Bookshop.org) Century of Struggle: The Woman's Rights Movement in the United States by Eleanor Flexner (Amazon • Bookshop.org) Our Bodies, Ourselves by the Boston Women's Health Book Collective (Amazon • Bookshop.org) Publications & Organizations Mentioned Freedom Socialist Party National Organization for Women (NOW) Reproductive Freedom for All (formerly NARAL) Planned Parenthood Verso Books Shirley Chisholm Project of Brooklyn Women's Activism The Daily (University of Washington student newspaper) Brooklyn Museum Topics Discussed Black Lives Matter Second-wave feminism Trotskyism Roe v. Wade Dobbs v. Jackson Women's Health Organization W.I.T.C.H. (Women's International Terrorist Conspiracy from Hell) Sherri Chessen (Finkbine) and the thalidomide case Forced sterilization of Native American women "The Myth of the Vaginal Orgasm" (Anne Koedt essay) Shirley Chisholm's 1972 presidential campaign The Seattle Medium The Facts Seattle Newspaper Fannie Lou Hamer Gloria Steinem Me Too movement Maya Angelou Judith Ezekiel Clara Fraser Susan Stern Michael "Mickey" Schwerner and Andrew Goodman Betty Friedan Eleanor Leacock Elizabeth Cady Stanton Susan B. Anthony Margaret Sloan-Hunter Johnnetta Cole Marilyn Ward (Washington state abortion-reform lobbyist) Anna Louise Strong Music The Miss & the Man by Dazie Mae, courtesy of the Free Music Archive Outta Sync by Suki Wessling

  3. Jul 22

    A Spell to Keep Us Human: In conversation with Enid Baxter Ryce

    Artist, author, educator—Enid Baxter Ryce is on a roll. She's changed her careers on both sides: In her creative work, she is now publishing books rather than working with museums. As an educator, she is using her experience teaching students of all ages to train teachers on how to get students off their screens and back into the natural world. These changes have been heralded by a sudden-seeming blossoming of publishing activity on her part, beautifully illustrated books that explore the natural and spiritual worlds. But in this conversation, Enid explains how this work—four publications in a span of two years—is the culmination of years of experience and research. From the child who grew up "feral" in the woods to the woman who considers librarians co-conspirators in her research adventures, Enid pours her whole self into her work. She's no luddite—she's a practical user of technology and AI who wants to convince you not to leave nature behind. Roll up your sleeves, put down your screen, and accept Enid's challenge. She'll lead you to look closely at the lives we are living and how we can make meaning and beauty amidst the chaos of our digital lives. "I wanted to give people a sense of connection across time. That when you're feeling lonely, you are not alone—that is a human feeling. And when you're feeling angry, you're also part of a grand tradition of anger... Poetry is magical because it juxtaposes words that we see regularly and makes them magical again." More information: Books by Enid Baxter Ryce: Ancient Spells and Incantations: Echoes of Magic Through the Ages and Across Cultures (Amazon | Bookshop) Plant Magic at Home: A Complete Guide to Harnessing the Power of Nature from Rituals to DIYs (Amazon | Bookshop) The Borderlands Tarot/ El Tarot de Tierras Fronterizas (Amazon | Bookshop) Field Guide to Fort Ord (Amazon | Bookshop) Grace Flows Through You: 101 Spiritual Verses from Around the World (Amazon | Bookshop) Publications & Organizations Mentioned Enid Baxter Ryce's website Getty (Pacific Standard Time) Mexicali Biennial Running Press Cooper Union Yale University Moore College of Art & Design Marketplace (NPR) featuring Enid Ryce Psychology Today: AI Psychosis Highlights Foundation Chabad Bowling Alone: The Collapse and Revival of American Community by Robert D. Putnam (Amazon | Bookshop.org) List 3: Topics Discussed Tarot Incantation bowl Proto-Indo-European language Autism spectrum Maslow's hierarchy of needs Holocaust survivors Salem witch trials Screen inferiority effect Chatbot psychosis (AI psychosis) Digital divide Neuroplasticity Cognitive load / cognitive offloading Social capital Social media and mental health Enid Baxter Ryce is an award-winning author, artist, and professor. Enid has exhibited internationally at museums and festivals, including the National Gallery of Art in Washington, D.C., the Library of Congress, the Arnolfini, the Getty, and the Harvard Film Archive. Her work has been featured in The New York Times, People en Español, The Los Angeles Times, on CBS Radio News, NPR, and numerous other publications. She was co-PI on a five-year, $1.25 million National Institutes of Health grant and a researcher on a Getty Foundation PST Project in collaboration with the Huntington Botanical Gardens. Enid is a former guest curator for the MexiCali Biennial and the Philip Glass Center for Art, Science, and the Environment, where she created her film War and the Weather, featuring the music of Philip Glass. Enid has held fellowships from the National Academy of Sciences, the Getty Foundation, Western Growers and Shippers, and Yale University. Most recently, she was a fellow of the Sephardic Stories Initiative at the Harold Grinspoon Foundation, which awarded her novel manuscript, Beware the Azulay: A Pirate’s Tale, a Jewish Stories Award. She has an MFA in Visual Arts, having studied at The Cooper Union and Claremont Graduate University. Enid is Professor of Cinematic Arts, focusing on Scientific and Historical Storytelling at CSU Monterey Bay. Music: "Beauty" by Karyn Ellis, courtesy of FreeMusicArchive.org "Magic Flute" by Suki Wessling

  4. Jun 16

    Living Within the Questions with Merle Hoffman

    Women's Healthcare Pioneer: When abortion became legal in New York State in 1970, Merle Hoffman didn't celebrate—she got to work. While others were still absorbing the news, she opened one of the first standalone women's health clinics in the country. No medical guidelines existed for a procedure that had only ever been done in secret, so she wrote them. Her patients didn't know their rights, so she wrote those down, too—a document that became the blueprint for the federal Patient's Bill of Rights. Fifty-plus years later, Hoffman is still at it—still running Choices Women's Medical Center in Queens, still fighting, and still asking the questions that don't have easy answers. "It's an intrinsic trust in myself, which I've always noticed and always had. Things come to me and I feel them organically, and I want to do this, and I trust that my decision is the right decision. And I follow my own voice." To call Merle Hoffman the owner of an abortion clinic is only to scratch the surface of her complexity. She's a pianist, a philosopher, an activist, a mother, and an adventurer in the world of spirituality. This is a conversation about courage, conviction, and what happens when we decide to trust ourselves. "I can live in the question. I don't have to know. I don't know if we'll ever know. But the question is so incomparably deep, profound, interesting, frustrating." Related: Minibabble: Merle Hoffman follows her own voice Mentioned in this episode Books Intimate Wars: The Life and Times of the Woman Who Brought Abortion from the Back Alley to the Boardroom by Merle Hoffman (Amazon • Bookshop.org) CHOICES: A Post-Roe Abortion Rights Manifesto by Merle Hoffman (Amazon • Bookshop.org) Our Bodies, Ourselves by the Boston Women's Health Book Collective (Amazon • Bookshop.org) Sexual Politics by Kate Millett (Amazon • Bookshop.org) Women and Madness by Phyllis Chesler (Amazon • Bookshop.org) The Myth of Sisyphus by Albert Camus (Amazon • Bookshop.org) Man's Search for Meaning by Viktor Frankl (Amazon • Bookshop.org) Publications & Organizations Choices Women's Medical Center On the Issues Magazine Choices Global Institute National Abortion Federation National Coalition of Abortion Providers New York Pro-Choice Coalition Rise Up 4 Abortion Rights Planned Parenthood Thomas More Society HIP (Health Insurance Plan of Greater New York) Kaiser Permanente Topics discussed Abortion rights in the United States Roe v. Wade Dobbs v. Jackson Women's Health Organization Hyde Amendment Women's health Henry Hyde Jerry Falwell Patient's Bill of Rights Patriarchy Second-wave feminism Gloria Steinem Equal Rights Amendment Jeffrey Epstein Carolyn Bessette-Kennedy Florynce Kennedy Bill Baird Absurdism Viktor Frankl / Logotherapy Sisyphus Oscar Wilde Sigmund Freud Artificial intelligence Thomas More Elizabeth I of England Mary, Queen of Scots Christian Science Jehovah's Witnesses Social psychology Animal rights Medicaid Black Lives Matter Abortion in Russia Queens College, CUNY About Merle Hoffman Merle Hoffman is an internationally known leader in the struggle for women’s rights, a healthcare pioneer, founder of women’s health, political, and reproductive rights organizations, and a prize-winning writer and publisher. Her work spans 52 years and continues today, proving to be more essential and relevant than ever in the ongoing fight for women’s human rights, including the ability to make their own reproductive choices. About Merle Hoffman

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Visit BABBLERY.com. The Babblery features conversations about who we are and how we got this way. Modern humans can seem like the ancients building the Biblical Tower of Babel, cursed by God/nature never to understand each other. As Visiting Translators at the Tower of Babel, our guests delve into their work, their research, and their own experiences to try to explain the bits they've learned about Earth's most perplexing species. Though we all speak different languages, here at The Babblery we aim to promote understanding, one conversation at a time.